Was Drake Maye THAT good yesterday?

[Billzgobowlin]

18 hours ago, DapperCam said:

I think Maye had a “good” not “great” game. He also got to play against the Bills defense, which is incredibly soft. I wouldn’t say he outplayed Allen (who had to go against the Pats defense which is good).

 

Allen would absolutely torch the Bills defense.

I would agree but the Bills were missing a lot on defense.  Heck the Ravens are getting crushed and they blame missing keys defensive players.  I think Strong will end up being the biggest loss, he's a baller.  But half a game of Milano was a tease of how good he is but always injured.  

[Freak-O]

He was clearly better than Josh in that game. 

[Boo Radley Boston]

Yes

 

That was actually only game 16 of Mayes career. If you delve inside the numbers they are very good. 

 

The fact that Maye has only really played in 16 games also means that there isn't a lot of film on him to break down his tendencies. All its going to take is for a DC to figure out what makes Maye tick and stop it. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

21 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

Some believe so,  i do believe with better play calling along with no stupid turnovers then we win

 

https://x.com/stoolpresidente/status/1975044092104179995

 

Absolutely. Red zone turnovers are the reason for losing a 3 point game 99.9% of the time. Even if it doesn’t result in points for the other team, it still takes them away from the Bills. No turnover = no loss. PROTECT THE BALL 

[Mark80]

21 hours ago, dorquemada said:

 

Exactly 1 player on the Bills is elite, and when he plays pedestrian football, the bills look like a 8-9/9-8 team.  

So, the exact same as any other team with an elite QB then?  Got it.

[Chaos]

20 hours ago, BillytheKid said:

No. He was okay. He didn’t have any touchdowns. He had the one good play when he was falling down that was about it. Otherwise he just looked like every other average QB in the NFL. 
 

Average is pretty good for a second year qb with a new coach, a new system and limited weapons. The interesting question is how much better is Maye than Ryan Tannehill and will Vrabel be able to capitalize on that degree of improvement. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

To answer OP’s question. Drake Maye is better than any QB they’ve put on the field post-Brady. His ceiling is Justin Herbert, but he’s got a pretty high floor. Personally, I would be super excited as a Pats fan. Beating (one of them) the SB favorites on the road was a huge milestone. 
 

The Patriots are going to have a winning record this year for the first time in forever. Honestly, I don’t think it’s as bad as people think. A weak AFCE has not been the blessing most Bills fans thought. It’s good to have a rival to keep the Bills as an organization sharp. Now that it’s not such a cake walk into the playoffs, the younger players will have earlier exposure to adversity.
 

I miss the big rivalries and I feel like it’s been lacking in the AFCE for a very long time. Brady never had much of a rivalry with anyone other than the Jets for a couple years. Unless anyone else has a different opinion, the last great AFCE matchup was Marino/Kelly, correct ?  The Bills/Dolphins in the late 90s - early 2000s was a fun matchup as well because both teams were so evenly matched. 

Edited 6 hours ago by ChronicAndKnuckles

[T master]

22 hours ago, Success said:

Obviously, he had a good game.  And the standout "amazing" play was when he was getting dragged down and got it to Diggs.

 

But the hype I've heard today is off the charts.  He had a good half - but I thought his big throws were more a product of our defense faltering in that half.  The receivers were pretty wide open, and we stopped getting good pressure on him.  He didn't throw a TD all night.  

 

I still didn't see "elite" out there, and some are already putting him on Allen's level.  

 

It seems like some analysts and others want him to be that guy more than he actually is that guy.  But we have a proud history of making a lot of QB's look better than they are.

 

 

Well I give it more to Diggs he was his old self again and who ever they had on him he made them pay . Diggs is for real ...

[Ga boy]

1 hour ago, Boo Radley Boston said:

Yes

 

That was actually only game 16 of Mayes career. If you delve inside the numbers they are very good. 

 

The fact that Maye has only really played in 16 games also means that there isn't a lot of film on him to break down his tendencies. All it’s going to take is for a DC to figure out what makes Maye tick and stop it. 

Rolling to right.  Also, Bills D is the one of the easiest he’ll face.  Hopefully we get better by December.

[Boo Radley Boston]

1 hour ago, Ga boy said:

Rolling to right.  Also, Bills D is the one of the easiest he’ll face.  Hopefully we get better by December.

Maye has shown that he can roll either way and pass accurately.

 

Arent the Bills missing some players beside Oliver?

[TH3]

23 hours ago, Success said:

Obviously, he had a good game.  And the standout "amazing" play was when he was getting dragged down and got it to Diggs.

 

But the hype I've heard today is off the charts.  He had a good half - but I thought his big throws were more a product of our defense faltering in that half.  The receivers were pretty wide open, and we stopped getting good pressure on him.  He didn't throw a TD all night.  

 

I still didn't see "elite" out there, and some are already putting him on Allen's level.  

 

It seems like some analysts and others want him to be that guy more than he actually is that guy.  But we have a proud history of making a lot of QB's look better than they are.

 

 

He totally outplay JA…so there was thst

[CircleTheWagons99]

No, McD defense always makes avg QB look like MVPs.....

[BillsFan692]

2 hours ago, Mark80 said:

So, the exact same as any other team with an elite QB then?  Got it.

Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins, Travis Kelce, Derrick Henry I mean do I need to go on here or ???? this list good enough????

It's tough to get into this season guys. We're the same team, we're gonna get in the playoffs, josh allen is good enough to hide every problem of this staff and roster to make the playoffs year after year but lets face it the writing is on the wall already this is not a superbowl squad: We struggle against NO and Miami lets face it, and NE clipped us these aren't the leagues best teams... not even close frankly. 

It's just a shame what we allow this team to continue to do to Josh Allens career. Other posters are like "TO ALL YOU MCDERMOTT HATERS OUT THERE WHO WOULD BE YOUR PICK?!" -- Literally a guy off the freaking street at this point. Almost ANYBODY but the same damn thing being trotted out there season after season would be more entertaining to watch. This team "McDermotts team" has already been proven time and time again to not be good enough yet we keep repeating it. 

We actually let this soulless ginger turn our High Powered Passing attack which features the best Quarterback in the world  into a run-first squeeze-it-out conservative whatever show this is. We celebrate how conservative we are like "the bills haven't turned it over in 24 seasons!" uh thats not a great stat yall that means we aren't taking chances at ALL.

I could rant for hours but I think some of you would still be slobbering for mcdermott for whatever reason. Just take me out back and bash my brains in because I already know how this season ends.

Edited 4 hours ago by BillsFan692

[billsfan89]

Diggs was that good in a revenge game. Maye was OK, but it really was the Diggs show unfortunately. 

[2003Contenders]

Some thoughts about Maye's Sunday night performance off the top of my head:

 

1. Early in the game (really, through most of the first half) the Bills did a great job pressuring him. He wasn't necessarily seeing ghosts -- but you could tell he was rattled. Collinsworth kept pointing out how he was unable to see beyond the pass rush and was keeping his eyes down.  And, for as bad as the Bills offense played in the first half with 2 really bad turnovers that placed the defense in precarious situations -- Maye really only led the Pats to one scoring drive that resulted in just 3 points (and even that was gifted by the stadium's questionable timekeeper, who left a second on the clock for them to kick that field goal). For whatever reason the Bills eased up on the pressure -- not sure how much of it was good adjustments made by the Pats or how much of it was McD becoming overly conservative and backing off. Regardless, once the pressure eased you could see Maye's confidence increasingly rise -- to the point where he started making plays downfield even when he was under duress.

 

2. It can't be understated just how good Diggs was Sunday night. He made clutch plays and made a concerted effort to help his young QB whenever he was flushed from the pocket. Compare that to what Josh endured. I know many of us complain about the Bills' lacking a true downfield threat, someone with speed who can stretch a defense. That is true. But even more desirable is a receiver that simply has a feel for the game and is instinctively on the same page as his QB. We greatly miss what we had with Diggs (when he was motivated) and (to a lesser extent) a prime Beasley. There is no one on the team we have now who can (or appears willing to) do these things. Maybe Shakir to a certain extent -- and Kincaid has shown some real promise this year. But too many times Sunday night (and at other points this season) Josh has bought time with his legs and pocket presence -- and yet no receivers break open. I confess that I lack the insight to know whether this is something that could come with the crew we have on hand as time/chemistry improves -- or is it simply a fact that one or more massive upgrades are required at the position? For example, we joke here all the time about Coleman's lack of speed and inability to create separation -- but is it really impossible for him to a find a way to help his QB on a scramble drill?

 

3. Like others have said, if I were a Pats fan I would be excited. Maye has all of the physical tools. Maybe not Josh's upside (which is generational) -- but certainly in that next tier of guys like Herbert/Lawrence/Love. He's physical, nimble for such a big guy and can make all of the NFL throws. 

[mbs]

He has no superpowers. His highlight reel is never going to make you think he's special. He isn't exceptionally fast, athletic, or strong and he doesn't have a noticeably big arm.

 

I don't think it's a coincidence that Allen, Jackson, and Mahomes are near universally agreed upon as top three and each looks like some comic book character in their own way. It is harder to judge an elite guy like Burrow who just completes a bunch of passes without tearing the laces out of the ball or who scrambles a few yards for a first down without injuring a defensive tackle or breaking a corner's ankles.

 

It's why I erroneously thought Brady was less than Rogers. I could see Rogers being awesome. Prior to Tampa, I really thought Brady was a "system quarterback." But obviously I am just not as smart as Brady because he could see what I didn't. (Also, he cheats.)

 

If Maye becomes an elite QB, and Sunday's game only hinted that it's possible, he will have to be Brady/Burrow level to even get noticed. That's a tall hill to climb and that last game is not a very big step.

 

The Bills rush D is supposedly terrible but gave up only 71 yards. On the other hand, they gave up 267 in the air. That's too much passing, but overall lets not pretend our terrible secondary and their awesome QB made it a game we need to pee our pants over. Not long ago, Miami was as much of a hurdle and it just made the season a bit more exciting.

 

338 yards total is not a whooping. 273 passing is very good, not great. Maye is very promising, but he has not arrived.

[Mark80]

2 hours ago, BillsFan692 said:

Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins, Travis Kelce, Derrick Henry I mean do I need to go on here or ???? this list good enough????

It's tough to get into this season guys. We're the same team, we're gonna get in the playoffs, josh allen is good enough to hide every problem of this staff and roster to make the playoffs year after year but lets face it the writing is on the wall already this is not a superbowl squad: We struggle against NO and Miami lets face it, and NE clipped us these aren't the leagues best teams... not even close frankly. 

It's just a shame what we allow this team to continue to do to Josh Allens career. Other posters are like "TO ALL YOU MCDERMOTT HATERS OUT THERE WHO WOULD BE YOUR PICK?!" -- Literally a guy off the freaking street at this point. Almost ANYBODY but the same damn thing being trotted out there season after season would be more entertaining to watch. This team "McDermotts team" has already been proven time and time again to not be good enough yet we keep repeating it. 

We actually let this soulless ginger turn our High Powered Passing attack which features the best Quarterback in the world  into a run-first squeeze-it-out conservative whatever show this is. We celebrate how conservative we are like "the bills haven't turned it over in 24 seasons!" uh thats not a great stat yall that means we aren't taking chances at ALL.

I could rant for hours but I think some of you would still be slobbering for mcdermott for whatever reason. Just take me out back and bash my brains in because I already know how this season ends.

Cool, what is the Bengals record when Burrows gets hurt or has a bad game?  How are the Ravens looking when Lamar gets hurt or has a bad game?  Yeah, OK, thanks for coming to my TED talk.

Edited 1 hour ago by Mark80

[JustHewIt]

11 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

After two decades of TB12, yesterday was a Bills fans worst nightmare.

lol...yeah, if you're a total chicken little.

I was hoping 36 hours would be enough to be able to come back to the board, guess we'll give it a few more days

[DapperCam]

2 hours ago, 2003Contenders said:

For whatever reason the Bills eased up on the pressure -- not sure how much of it was good adjustments made by the Pats or how much of it was McD becoming overly conservative and backing off. Regardless, once the pressure eased you could see Maye's confidence increasingly rise -- to the point where he started making plays downfield even when he was under duress.

Pats made adjustments at halftime to bring in extra blockers. Seemed pretty effective.

[Chicken Boo]

He had a few elite level plays.  Maye is legit.  

 

I favored him over Jayden Daniels, although they both appear to have bright futures ahead of them.