Keon WTF?

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I just don’t think that they can admit that failure. This offseason they were feeding the narrative of how improved he was. They were telling us that he was in line for a big year. The Bills are driving, and have been driving, the Keon narrative since he was drafted. If you go through this board for the last year and a half, you will see Keon truthers EVERYWHERE defending him and pumping him up. He is almost certainly the 2nd most worn jersey on Sunday’s in th stadium. It doesn’t feel like they will walk away.

Interesting, I had no idea as I've not been to a game in a few years. The new stadium will be my next trip to a game.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Idk about the 2nd most jersey worn. I see more Flutie jerseys than Coleman. I also hang out with an older crowd.

Lol, I’ve been monitoring. He was definitely the 2nd most worn at the start of the season. With the release of the new ones we have seen a spike in Cook jerseys. Keon is probably 2nd and maybe 3rd. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[zow2]

1 hour ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

I'm predicting he'll be traded for pennies in the dollar before we have a chance to exercise his fifth year option.

 

 

Yeah, he will definitely be playing for the Saints or Panthers as a 4th-5th WR in the coming years.

[HOUSE]

Yeah WTF ?

[SectionC3]

14 hours ago, gordong said:

 he's  immature,  he cant even get to practice on time.. he's to slow the break out, he might improve but he never going to be a #1 we would be lucky if he turns into a #3 WR. . 

I have not heard this, but I'll check it out.  That was one of many, many issues with Diggs.  If this is true, then they'll move on.  

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I just don’t think that they can admit that failure. This offseason they were feeding the narrative of how improved he was. They were telling us that he was in line for a big year. The Bills are driving, and have been driving, the Keon narrative since he was drafted. If you go through this board for the last year and a half, you will see Keon truthers EVERYWHERE defending him and pumping him up. He is almost certainly the 2nd most worn jersey on Sunday’s in th stadium. It doesn’t feel like they will walk away.

Keon has the aura and personality of a superstar.  
 

Problem is, his play on the field is WR5. 
 

As good as Worthy & McConkey are in their roles, they don’t really have WR1 potential.. Keon’s body and play style was the shot at getting a WR1 at that point in the Draft should he moderately improve his route running (think a Courtland Sutton type player). 
 

But we’re in Year 2 and WR’s should be a more instant impact high draft pick .. if it’s not going to happen, he’s basically useless out there on the outside & if we can’t/wont play him inside, trading him to someone who can/will at some point should be on the table. 
 

Just a very frustrating fit that so many saw issues with but our FO apparently didn’t. 
 

As always, hoping it clicks.. because if he can become a Sutton type player, our Offensive ceiling is sky high.   This is why I’d almost rather keep forcing it unless Gabe Davis is healthy and can take that role.. maybe get Moore out there with him with more reps.   Davis/Moore platoon.  
 

Moore got open for Cleveland.. not sure why we can’t make it work here. 
 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by SCBills

[Royale with Cheese]

17 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Keon has the aura and personality of a superstar.  
 

Problem is, his play on the field is WR5. 
 

As good as Worthy & McConkey are in their roles, they don’t really have WR1 potential.. Keon’s body and play style was the shot at getting a WR1 at that point in the Draft should he moderately improve his route running (think a Courtland Sutton type player). 
 

But we’re in Year 2 and WR’s should be a more instant impact high draft pick .. if it’s not going to happen, he’s basically useless out there on the outside & if we can’t/wont play him inside, trading him to someone who can/will at some point should be on the table. 
 

Just a very frustrating fit that so many saw issues with but our FO apparently didn’t. 
 

As always, hoping it clicks.. because if he can become a Sutton type player, our Offensive ceiling is sky high.   This is why I’d almost rather keep forcing it unless Gabe Davis is healthy and can take that role.. maybe get Moore out there with him with more reps.   Davis/Moore platoon.  
 

Moore got open for Cleveland.. not sure why we can’t make it work here. 
 

 

 

I can't think of a more frustrating WR the Bills have had.  The frustrating part is he's huge, strong and can jump.  He gets out physical-ed all the time.

5'10 and 190 lbs Corners can easily get him off his route and can't battle to get the ball in the air.  He's clumsy even though he's very athletic.

He's the exact opposite of Shakir.  Shakir has incredible balance if he's knocked off his spot, Coleman looks out of sync and control once he has some adversity.

 

Coleman doesn't need to have the most snaps and targets.  He hasn't earned them.

 

He needs to be our big play chunk guy twice a game....that's it.  No more volume of targets to him.  

To me, he's a 2-3 catch 35-40 yard a game guy.  

We need to throw more to Shakir, Kincaid, Palmer and the RB's.  

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I can't think of a more frustrating WR the Bills have had.  The frustrating part is he's huge, strong and can jump.  He gets out physical-ed all the time.

5'10 and 190 lbs Corners can easily get him off his route and can't battle to get the ball in the air.  He's clumsy even though he's very athletic.

He's the exact opposite of Shakir.  Shakir has incredible balance if he's knocked off his spot, Coleman looks out of sync and control once he has some adversity.

 

Coleman doesn't need to have the most snaps and targets.  He hasn't earned them.

 

He needs to be our big play chunk guy twice a game....that's it.  No more volume of targets to him.  

To me, he's a 2-3 catch 35-40 yard a game guy.  

We need to throw more to Shakir, Kincaid, Palmer and the RB's.  

I agree, as the offense is currently constructed.. but it just has the look of a very limited offense that needs to execute at a very high level and be on time in terms of down/distance in order to be efficient. 
 

Have one guy on the outside capable of winning, with an offense that throws to RB’s & TE’s is what I’d expect from an Offense led by a rookie QB or game manager.. not the best player in the world. 
 

…but that’s where we seem to be. 

If that’s the plan, they better become a juggernaut run team because it’s just going to be nonstop run blitzes, pass blitzes, stacked boxes, flooded middle of the field and mirror/spies on Allen. 
 

If we don’t make a trade, I think you have to get major improvement from Keon or Gabe/Moore playing more on the outside to give Josh a deep threat or separator opposite Palmer, otherwise it’s just going to be a team reliant on running an Offense designed for Brock Purdy or Bo Nix. 

[Negan]

Keon surely has his short comings.  But with that being said ...

 

I think the ball placement needs to be a lot better by Allen as well.

 

Jump balls especially near the end zone are his bread and butter.  See Seattle last year.

 

Seems Allen is lolly gagging this year imo.  Haven't seen the fire 🔥 yet!

[Kirby Jackson]

59 minutes ago, Negan said:

Keon surely has his short comings.  But with that being said ...

 

I think the ball placement needs to be a lot better by Allen as well.

 

Jump balls especially near the end zone are his bread and butter.  See Seattle last year.

 

Seems Allen is lolly gagging this year imo.  Haven't seen the fire 🔥 yet!

That’s like saying “his bread and butter is fadeaway 3’s. He is much better at turn around fadeaway 3’s with a hand in his face than the average player.” The play is a very low percentage play to begin with so I don’t care if he gets 25% while most others get 18%. It’s stupid to be running plays that are a coin flip at best. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[Negan]

17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s like saying “his bread and butter is fadeaway 3’s. He is much better at turned around fadeaway 3’s with a hand in his face than the average player.” The play is a very low percentage play to begin with so I don’t care if he gets 25% while most others get 18%. It’s stupid to be running plays that are a coin flip at best. 

I was saying more or less in the end zone.

 

He needs more slants and crossers between the 20's imo.

[Andrew Son]

2 minutes ago, Negan said:

I was saying more or less in the end zone.

 

He needs more slants and crossers between the 20's imo.

We definitely need to manufacture touches.  He's good with the ball in his hands. 

[Buffalo Boy]

33 minutes ago, Negan said:

Keon surely has his short comings.  But with that being said ...

 

I think the ball placement needs to be a lot better by Allen as well.

 

Jump balls especially near the end zone are his bread and butter.  See Seattle last year.

 

Seems Allen is lolly gagging this year imo.  Haven't seen the fire 🔥 yet!

Not arguing that the message has been “ good jump ball” guy but how many 50/50 balls has he caught in his career so far?

My guess is it’s well under 10 and maybe under 5. 
I am thoroughly unimpressed with all the traits that he has been sold with. He does’t play big and I can’t remember him impressively out muscling someone for a ball. Not saying he hasn’t but nothing that has stuck with me.

[Kirby Jackson]

8 minutes ago, Negan said:

I was saying more or less in the end zone.

 

He needs more slants and crossers between the 20's imo.

I don’t disagree there. I’m more saying, “if your specialty is incredibly low percentage then I don’t have much use for you.” 

[Jauronimo]

Give him more WR screens out of trips.  He and Shakir produced in that formation last year.

[QCity]

4 hours ago, boyst said:

outside boundary WR against lesser tier CB's isn't hard to have success.

 

 

The red flag for me was that he didn't really have a lot of success at FSU. I remember he started out with a monster game against LSU which generated a lot of hype, but he couldn't live up to it. The TDs were there, but not much else.

[boyst]

2 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

The red flag for me was that he didn't really have a lot of success at FSU. I remember he started out with a monster game against LSU which generated a lot of hype, but he couldn't live up to it. The TDs were there, but not much else.

if we had him in 2020 he would have made a difference. maybe even 2021. he would have been maybe the #4.  2022 would have been his most opportune time.

 

2020

Diggs

Beasley

Brown

Davis/Coleman

McKenzie

 

2021

Diggs

Beasley

Sanders

Davis/Coleman

McKenzie

 

2022

diggs

shakir

davis

coleman

mckenzie

[Pete]

2020 was the Beanes best WR room.  It’s gotten worse every year sense then imo

[Boatdrinks]

4 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

I'm predicting he'll be traded for pennies in the dollar before we have a chance to exercise his fifth year option.

 

Seriously....if Beane fell into a box of nipples, he'd probably come up sucking his thumb.

 

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Wasn’t Keon Coleman early 2nd round ? If so, no 5th year option. 

[DCOrange]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s like saying “his bread and butter is fadeaway 3’s. He is much better at turn around fadeaway 3’s with a hand in his face than the average player.” The play is a very low percentage play to begin with so I don’t care if he gets 25% while most others get 18%. It’s stupid to be running plays that are a coin flip at best. 

I don't think a fade to Coleman should be the primary read, but if nobody else is open and Coleman is 1 on 1, I would probably rather take my chances throwing a jump ball to him than forcing the ball to a smaller well-covered WR. For whatever reason, most times when we've tried to do this, Josh ends up throwing it low into Coleman's chest instead of giving Coleman a chance to play to his strengths. Just seems like the chemistry isn't there in Year 2, which is pretty concerning. 

 

The other issue is with our current roster, he basically has to lead the WRs in snaps by default. We have 3 guys capable of lining up out wide, 1 of whom is even less proven/promising than Coleman. So unless we're in a 1 WR set, chances are he's going to be on the field. Can't really take him off the field unless we get a new WR (which may just be Gabe at some point).

 

Building a WR room around a young, raw kid with no alternative to him is just a failure on Beane's part. 

Edited 2 hours ago by DCOrange