Keon WTF?

[Paup 1995MVP]

6 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

To focus on Coleman and only Coleman for the loss and obsess over a fumble that cost us 3 out of 23 points in the 1st Quarter of a 4 Quarter terrible game is absolutely, positively absurd. 

 

Coleman jumped up and caught a 50/50 ball to sustain a drive to keep us alive. Coleman caught a TD to make up for it. Would have likely had another 50/50 TD in the back of the end zone had Josh not overthrown the ball. 

 

There's so, so, so many players to blame for the loss. Feels like you want to blame Coleman for the loss bc you don't like him as a player and you don't want to call out other players you do like. Keon's not near the top of the list of people that should be blamed today.

The secondary is as much to blame for this loss (including Christian Benford) as anything.  They absolutely can not cover any receiver tightly.  All 4 of our home games this year, the opposition has had guys running wide open all over the field.  Short, middle and deep zones.  Other than the pick by Bishop on the "Philly special" by Olave last Sunday, has anyone in the secondary made a play on a ball all year?  Why are our safeties always 10 yards away from the receiver catching the ball?  There was one deep pass yesterday that Maye threw in the second half I believe, at least 30+ yards down the field.  And our safety was still too far behind him to make a play on the ball and the receiver.  

 

That McDermott is calling out Coleman, when Tre White and the entire secondary looks pathetic seems really petty.  McDermott likes "his guys" and that's it.

 

Coleman has not made a lot of plays since being drafted.  But what WR on our roster really has down the field?  Its a real problem.  But not just a Keon problem.  They should have done a better job scouting him, and finding out what makes him tick before drafting him, if the organization was going to constantly make him a scapegoat.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, SirAndrew said:

I agree, but it’s not insane that people see him as something more than a role player. The team themselves seemed to have greater expectations. I’m not behind the scenes at OBD, but Coleman is utilized in a different capacity than most role players. I can see why people think he has greater potential, even if I don’t agree. 

I think that’s fair. The Bills have tried to lead us there because they took him, when they needed a WR, in arguably the greatest WR draft ever. He has been hyped by them as the guy they wanted. If that’s the case, they wouldn’t have traded down twice. 
 

He was hyped again in camp. The day I was there, I bought in. He looked good!! They have a big time interest in trying to convince everyone that he’s more than he is. They can’t be like, “we needed a WR, took a swing, and got the wrong guy.” They have to keep that up or admit that he wasn’t a good pick. 

[GoBills808]

36 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Seriously?!? 🤣🤣 He is probably the 2nd most popular jersey in the stadium every week. Cook is who people wanted Keon to be. He’s the best skill player Josh plays with, followed by Kincaid and then Shakir. 
 

It’s not disregard of hope. He’s just not very good. He’s a guy. We wanted him to be a number 1. He’s a role player, like Gabe Davis with a different skillset. 
 

I don't get the Coleman thing lol

 

I mean it's right there on tape. He's got a few good tools but if he were breaking out he'd be breaking out. He has a lot of holes in his game rn 

 

I will say Brady doesn't appear to be doing him any favors but again...if he were some bubbling megatalent we'd know it by now

[rajinka]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I don't get the Coleman thing lol

 

I mean it's right there on tape. He's got a few good tools but if he were breaking out he'd be breaking out. He has a lot of holes in his game rn 

 

I will say Brady doesn't appear to be doing him any favors but again...if he were some bubbling megatalent we'd know it by now

Honestly I think brady isn't doing any of our wr or te's any favors.  We go against weak as hell secondaries and he can't scheme guys open. We go against jags constantly that are always open. 

[nedboy7]

Such a mentally tough fanbase. 

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

Or Golden. Or Bond 

 

 

 

 

Good job.  
 

Message sent.  He promptly fumbles as he gets in.  
 

Not exonerating Keon…..but I mean wtf

 

 

[rjbbills]

3 hours ago, jlgarsh said:

Coaching & front office negligence is the issue, still.

 

Clock mismanagement (letting 40 seconds run off the clock before first timeout used, going for a TD instead of going for a first down to bleed more clock before trying the tying FG or for a game winning TD). 

Secondary can't cover, and they still keep playing the same guys every week. We spend draft assets on defense and it never seems to get better.

Most WRs can't separate either. 

Perfectly said. We'll watch some film. 

[BuffaloBaumer]

Our GMs drafting is starting to become really infuriating. I mean, if we did not have Allen, it's possible Buffalo would be the worst team in the NFL.

[Success]

Probably the last thing on my mind about the game.

 

If we can't overcome a 1st half fumble in the red zone against an inferior team, we have no business talking about a Super Bowl.  That was probably #20 on the list of reasons why we lost (a.k.a. gave that game away).

 

[DuckyBoys]

not blaming it all on Keon but we could have had Cooper DeJean instead of reaching  Beane's drafts are maddening

[rjbbills]

Funny how this thread started out about Coleman but was taken over again by the elephant in the room. The defense (or lack of) of McDermy and Babich.  Call them at 933-7825 (WEE-SUCK). That's 933-7825. 

[BigDingus]

10 hours ago, nuklz2594 said:

Should've drafted ladd mcconkey. Ladd and Shakir wr room solved. 

 

Should've drafted Xavier Worthy so we had a legit deep threat & some speed.

 

The Bills have no home run weapon on the outside. Josh's deep passing has fallen off a cliff. Saw these stats earlier:

 

2020 - 2024 Deep Throws:

 

Attempts per Game - 4.3

TD / INT - 41 to 22

Passer Rating - 97.9

 

2025 Deep Throws:

 

Attempts per Game - 3.0

TD / INT - 0 to 1

Passer Rating - 49.9

 

Nobody has to fear the Bills stretching the field anymore. DBs aren't concerned we're going over the top & looking for that big play. 

 

So if the plan is just run Cook and dink & dunk, we can't have turnovers or commit a ton of penalties. But despite all that, there were guys open underneath. Allen was just off, leaving clean pockets, running into pressure & not seeing the field as well as usual. Hopefully this is a wake-up call, and hopefully we get some defensive reinforcements soon.

[Kirby Jackson]

21 minutes ago, rajinka said:

Honestly I think brady isn't doing any of our wr or te's any favors.  We go against weak as hell secondaries and he can't scheme guys open. We go against jags constantly that are always open. 

It appeared that the Pats just manned up on the WRs last night and blanketed them. That’s not Brady. That’s the garbage WRs. Go back and watch tape of the Joe Burrow LSU title team. Obviously their WRs were elite but they were open EVERYWHERE. That’s the same Joe Brady. He was just scheming for Chase and Jefferson instead of Coleman and Palmer. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[thenorthremembers]

People throw this "scheme guys open" saying around like its not the NFL.     Coordinators arent scheming guys open into 25 yards of free space.   The defenders are too smart and too fast.  Your scheme may get a few yards of separation, but it takes both a good release and speed to beat man coverage even if you can get the scheme to work.    Its not just scheme or players, it takes both at a high level of football. 

[BigDingus]

47 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

The Bills didnt have the luxury of taking a project at WR that high in the draft. 

 

That's what I've been saying for all these early round picks that people defend & say "give it time!" 

 

Other successful teams seem to expect their early round picks to make an impact that same year. But Bills fans seem fine with every 1st - 3rd rounder being a project that'll hopefully pan out in a few years. 

 

Will this be the year Kincaid looks like a top TE in the league? He's looking better than last year, but we'll see. Hairston got hurt, so that's another one we'll just have to hope pans out next season. Who knows what'll happen with TJ Sanders... another rotational guy on the DL or maybe he takes a step next year? 

Epenesa, Boogie, Bishop, Elam, DeWayne Carter, Dorian Williams... a mix of disappointment, TBD or no longer here. Sure, Spencer Brown & James Cook worked out, but damn that's a lot of wasted draft capital in players that aren't actually improving this team in any way. 

[3rdand12]

22 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

Should've drafted Xavier Worthy so we had a legit deep threat & some speed.

 

The Bills have no home run weapon on the outside. Josh's deep passing has fallen off a cliff. Saw these stats earlier:

 

2020 - 2024 Deep Throws:

 

Attempts per Game - 4.3

TD / INT - 41 to 22

Passer Rating - 97.9

 

2025 Deep Throws:

 

Attempts per Game - 3.0

TD / INT - 0 to 1

Passer Rating - 49.9

 

Nobody has to fear the Bills stretching the field anymore. DBs aren't concerned we're going over the top & looking for that big play. 

 

So if the plan is just run Cook and dink & dunk, we can't have turnovers or commit a ton of penalties. But despite all that, there were guys open underneath. Allen was just off, leaving clean pockets, running into pressure & not seeing the field as well as usual. Hopefully this is a wake-up call, and hopefully we get some defensive reinforcements soon.

Allen has off Days. For whatever reason(s)

Not sure i can reach the full conclusion that nobody has to fear deep threat anymore.

 If they are not over throwing the LBs much yet and challenging the secondary. They will. They will have to.

Ebb and flow of the Season. teams are figuring each other out. Bills coaching did not seem to study Maye and the offense as well as they.

should have

 How did old man Diggs get that many yards on Bills ? Thats my issue !

Edited 2 hours ago by 3rdand12
Sentence structure etc

[Solomon Grundy]

12 hours ago, Pete said:

Your weak fumble inside our 10 yard line gifted the Pats a victory.  You went back to playing patty cakes instead of using your God given size and leaping power.  This was the worst game of your career.   Worse than getting a football bounced off the side of your head.  WTF Keon?  

Have that same energy for Dawson Knox 

[TheBrownBear]

Clearly Cook, Kincaid and Shakir are our best skill players and we need to get the ball in their hands as much as possible.  We just need one semi-serious field stretching threat to open the middle of the field a bit for these guys.  I'm starting to move into the camp that passing on Worthy was a big mistake.

[BananaB]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said:

Clearly Cook, Kincaid and Shakir are our best skill players and we need to get the ball in their hands as much as possible.  We just need one semi-serious field stretching threat to open the middle of the field a bit for these guys.  I'm starting to move into the camp that passing on Worthy was a big mistake.

Bills ain’t looking downfield in this O anyway. We have guys with speed but the plays aren’t built to take any shots. We always trying to stay ahead of the chains. Run and short passes until we are backed up

[billsfan714]

1 hour ago, BigDingus said:

 

That's what I've been saying for all these early round picks that people defend & say "give it time!" 

 

Other successful teams seem to expect their early round picks to make an impact that same year. But Bills fans seem fine with every 1st - 3rd rounder being a project that'll hopefully pan out in a few years. 

 

Will this be the year Kincaid looks like a top TE in the league? He's looking better than last year, but we'll see. Hairston got hurt, so that's another one we'll just have to hope pans out next season. Who knows what'll happen with TJ Sanders... another rotational guy on the DL or maybe he takes a step next year? 

Epenesa, Boogie, Bishop, Elam, DeWayne Carter, Dorian Williams... a mix of disappointment, TBD or no longer here. Sure, Spencer Brown & James Cook worked out, but damn that's a lot of wasted draft capital in players that aren't actually improving this team in any way. 

I agree.   One thing that people say on this board that drives me crazy is he "showed flashes", just another way of saying he hasn't done much along with but PFF grades him this.   People try to gaslight what you see with your own eyes and it aint squat.