The NEW Bills Stadium and the NEW Las Vegas

[Bruffalo]

4 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:

The middle class is slowly being squeezed out of society. It is what it is 

 

Yes business is business and corporations are out there to make money but Greed is a real thing too

Late Stage capitalism with regulatory capture is strangling the wealth out of the average person.

It’s pretty clear cut what the cause of it is. legalized bribery via corporate lobbyists for the last 20 years have only accelerated it. 

 

I’ll get off my soapbox now.

[T master]

13 hours ago, DeepPass said:

A family of 4 going to a game at $362 per ticket is crazy.  Insane.  $1500 plus parking and food is vacation money!

The only thing I have been beating myself up about is if I were to go it would be a memory that my grandson & I would have for the rest of our lives which would be priceless & if by chance the Chiefs would beat the Bills in that game I would never here the end of it from him but that is in part a piece of the fun is our little in family rivalry .

 

 I may not baulk at it so much if these were say in the lower bowl of the stadium but these tickets are in the nose bleed section on the second or upper deck that usually sell for somewhere around $90 which isn't terrible considering all the other things you pay for with food, drink, parking and such .

 

I watched a video yesterday with Kid Rock talking about Ticket master, which are the ones I was going to go through for the extra 2 tickets for some friends and he was saying they don't want anyone to buy direct from the source they want it to be a resale ticket because some way they get a piece of the higher price on the secondary sale .

 

Not exactly sure how that works but if that is the way it goes there needs to be some kind of cap or rule put in place to stop that from happening .

[Sweats]

The ACC, formerly Maple Leaf Gardens for the Leafs back in the day, used to be the "working man's arena"........blue collar guys could get tickets at half decent prices and a couple of beers without breaking the bank. Owners and investors have figured out where the true money is coming from and have swung towards more of a corporate type thing, where it prices the average person out of the seats.

 

The pendulum has swung in favor of the money, not really the fan anymore and don't expect it to swing back towards the fans/consumer anytime soon........owners don't answer to the fans anymore, they answer to the investors and it's the "almighty" dollar that holds the bottom line.

[Augie]

13 hours ago, DeepPass said:

A family of 4 going to a game at $362 per ticket is crazy.  Insane.  $1500 plus parking and food is vacation money!

 

We spent about twice that on tickets for the four of us at the opener in the lower bowl. (My wife is neither patient nor frugal when it comes to purchasing tickets.) We could have waited, I’m sure, to get the ticket prices down but it was a decision we made. 

 

While I’m looking forward to attending the Monday night game in Atlanta with family, the opener proved to me once again how much better the viewing experience is at home. If the price really annoys me, I’ll gladly just stay home. It’s better at home in so many ways I don’t feel the need to stretch myself on tickets too often. 

[Bongo]

12 hours ago, ALLinALLEN said:

At least TBD is still free! 

That’s true but I had to endure an ad on here that featured Drake Maye. If that doesn’t scream corporate greed, I don’t know what does.

 

I kid, I kid 😁

[Just Jack]

On 10/4/2025 at 11:23 PM, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Currently the actual season ticket prices are nearly identical. im actually gonna pay less next season in season tickets than I am this season for supposedly similar seats

 

Mine were not, I've got clubs currently. The equivalent seats they showed me during the process was about $3,000 more than I'm paying currently. 

 

 

On 10/5/2025 at 9:05 AM, SoCal Deek said:

Keep in mind that back when the Bills began, the players bagged groceries in the offseason. I highly doubt that you’ll see either Josh or his starlet wife working the produce section at Wegmans this spring. 

 

I guess you missed the news that Josh had to pick up a second job, working for New Era. 

 

 

 

 

[Just Jack]

16 hours ago, zow2 said:

The Bears Stadium today only holds 61,500.   Detroit, Vegas, Arizona and Washington are all less than 65,000.  Miami, Cinci, Minnesota, New Eng and Indy are all in the 65-67K range.  I'm tired of hearing how the Bills screwed over the fans by lowering capacity.. Jeez, buy a season ticket or save up and buy some tickets on the secondary market, stop complaining and enjoy.  This ain't Dallas or Los Angeles here.

 

Even with the lowered capacity, they did not completely sell out to current season ticket holders and had to go to the waiting list to get more people to purchase seasons. 

 

 

12 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

If the divas fight will it be in burkas?

 

Not a complete burka, but they do wear neck to toe, long sleeve, outfits. 

 

 

[zow2]

23 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

 

Even with the lowered capacity, they did not completely sell out to current season ticket holders and had to go to the waiting list to get more people to purchase seasons. 

 

Yes. in the long run the Bills will be proven right by having smaller capacity. It will be fine.  In the short run, while the team is very good and with the novelty of wanting to experience the new stadium... fans will pump of the prices of tickets on the secondary markets to extremely high levels. 

 

Speaking of high prices, I just paid $300/ea for the Saints game tickets, lower level corners and the Bucs and Chiefs are way more.  So the outrageous prices are in full swing to say goodbye to Rich Stadium.

[Watkins90]

On 10/4/2025 at 7:39 PM, BigDingus said:

You're right, but that's just how this country has become. The NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. isn't targeting the average American for live games anymore. 

 

Corporations buying up real estate, driving up prices so the aerage person can no longer buy a house. Grocery prices through the roof. College tuition has become so expesive it's shocking. Tickets to concerts & live events cost a small fortune. Subscription services increasing prices faster than ever. 

 

It's effecting every hobby.

 

Like for mine - Video games & video game consoles used to go DOWN in price. Not anymore! You got Microsoft raising prices on 5 year old hardware twice in the same year. Nintendo raising prices on 9 year consoles. Games were $60 for 15 years, now they've gone up to $70 & $80 in just the last 5 (plus tons of in-game microtransactions & DLC).

 

So don't get mad at the Bills. They're just keeping up with the Jones' (and Jerry Jones').

The video game thing was more to the fact of the tariffs. Stuff didn't get cheaper, it got more expensive. 

[WNYFAN1]

On 10/4/2025 at 8:25 PM, DeepPass said:

It's not hard to observe the Corporate strategies at these two destinations.

 

Las Vegas isn't about cheap food, inexpensive drinks and living like a king for a few days of gambling anymore.  With $16 Budweiser's, resort fees higher than room rates and $150 buffets the 'average' tourist is being priced out.  The Corporations that run Las Vegas are making higher profits with less people coming to town.  The wealthy and high rollers are  now their target guests.

 

It seems to me the Bills are using the same strategy with the new stadium.  Fewer seats, seat licenses and much higher ticket prices are making it difficult for the 'average' fan to attend a game.  The people that filled the 80,000 seats in Rich Stadium and now 70,000 seats are being left out.  They aren't needed anymore!  The Bills will make more profit with fewer fans to deal with.

 

I think we'll miss the days of raucous, crazy fans cheering on the Bills!

Hey, Terry's gotta be able to gas up that yacht!

[PetermansRedemption]

On 10/4/2025 at 8:29 PM, Ya Digg? said:

You’re describing literally every big business there is, it’s not just a Bills/Las Vegas thing. I’m honestly trying to think of something popular now (or even a necessity like flying) that hasn’t priced out the average American/family. I just read today that it now costs an average of $4000-$10,000 for a family of 4 to go to Disney for 5 days 

As someone who regularly goes to Disney, $4000 would be if you drive there, stay at a budget hotel off site, and eat PB&J sandwiches. And yet, you still can’t move half the time when in the parks because of how crowded they are. Completely baffles me. 

Edited 4 hours ago by PetermansRedemption

[RiotAct]

many Americans (and people all around the world) are addicted to consumerism and lifestyle creep, enabling businesses to charge exorbitant amounts for stuff like this.

 

What really boils my blood is the price of essentials like healthcare, car insurance, and utilities getting jacked up regularly (and the process of those increases is pretty much cheered on by government at all levels).

[BUFFALOBART]

On 10/5/2025 at 5:57 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

Lol, I love these threads. 🤣🤣 One of the funniest things on social media is when people complain about businesses making more money. 🤣 Can someone please share with the group which businesses AREN’T trying to make more money?

There is a concept referred to as ‘gouging’. It’s the new American paradigm. It’s not morally right, but it is, what it is. 

[Fleezoid]

16 hours ago, ALLinALLEN said:

At least TBD is still free! 

 

Wait a minute! Then who am I sending my $19.99 monthly subscription fee to? 

[Kirby Jackson]

31 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

There is a concept referred to as ‘gouging’. It’s the new American paradigm. It’s not morally right, but it is, what it is. 

Supply and demand is more appropriate here. The fans are willing to spend on the product. I talked to a high ranking Bills official not too long ago that said they are ahead of schedule with the sales in the new stadium. They wanted to be done by next summer but it’ll be closer to the end of this season. 
 

I can only speak for myself when it comes to the new stadium. As a regular guy, I had a limit to what I was willing to spend. I declined the first offering and a week later, found seats that met my needs and budget. That’s how this works. No one is forcing anyone to buy in or not. If you can’t afford it, that’s life. I’d love to drive a Lamborghini around but it’s not realistic so I don’t. I don’t begrudge Lamborghini for pricing me out of the market. Their job is to make as much money as they can. It’s the same concept…

[DeepPass]

On 10/5/2025 at 10:58 AM, Gunner said:

I'm hoping they come up with a parking lot party area to watch games outside the stadium. Get creative with it, charge some to get in, make it a fun experience for those who can't afford to go in the stadium but still want to enjoy the gameday atmosphere with fellow Bills fans. Make it big enough to hold a couple thousand fans. Maybe have some similarities of being in stadium with bleachers and standing areas. 

I don't think current Bills management will go for this idea!  Security, parking, bathrooms etc. will be the issues.  I think they don't want the "average" fan anymore!

19 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Off topic: Chad Kelly made $583,000 (I think Canadian) last year. Not bad. I hope he is saving some ...

Is he still playing for Toronto?  They have a poor record this season.  

[NoHuddleKelly12]

On 10/5/2025 at 9:05 AM, SoCal Deek said:

Keep in mind that back when the Bills began, the players bagged groceries in the offseason. I highly doubt that you’ll see either Josh or his starlet wife working the produce section at Wegmans this spring. 

If they did, I sure hope they can point me in the right direction for sourdough bread? 🤔

[Kirby Jackson]

24 minutes ago, DeepPass said:

I think they don't want the "average" fan anymore!  

This is the part that I take issue with. The Bills don’t care who is there. They care that they get the number that the market supports. That’s exactly what’s happening in the new stadium. They aren’t trying to replace people with other people. They are trying to replace underpriced areas with seats priced more in line with what they go for around the league.
 

The seats in the lower level between the 20’s have been underpriced, forever (literally). The Bills don’t care if the same people that have gotten them way below market value for 50+ years stay there in the new stadium. They just care that those seats go for market value. The people that have had them the longest get first crack at them. 

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Fleezoid said:

 

Wait a minute! Then who am I sending my $19.99 monthly subscription fee to? 

 

It’s fine, don’t worry about it. Just keep those payments coming…..

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is the part that I take issue with. The Bills don’t care who is there. They care that they get the number that the market supports. That’s exactly what’s happening in the new stadium. They aren’t trying to replace people with other people. They are trying to replace underpriced areas with seats priced more in line with what they go for around the league.
 

The seats in the lower level between the 20’s have been underpriced, forever (literally). The Bills don’t care if the same people that have gotten them way below market value for 50+ years stay there in the new stadium. They just care that those seats go for market value. The people that have had them the longest get first crack at them. 

 

Exactly, it’s not personal at all, it’s purely financial. The Bills aren’t actively trying to upgrade the fanbase, though that may be a side effect. They just want to get what those seats should fetch across the NFL market. That seems fair enough to me. It sucks for many, but there is always the option to say no. 

 

We had almost $800 into some NBA tickets on a Tuesday in Charlotte one time. My younger son turned to me 5 minutes in and said “they’re not even trying.” Quite true. Between the price and the product, they finally reached my limit. I’ve never been to another NBA game and I don’t even watch the Finals now. We all have a limit somewhere.