Where is Landon Jackson ???

[gonzo1105]

This is why I hate some fans. These draft picks aren’t going to be instant stars right out of the draft. 
 

Kincaid was a 1st round pick, he’s now in year 3 and the lightbulb has finally turned on for him as a complete player. People want him to catch 10 passes a game but he’s making big catches at big times and he’s blocking his ass off. 
 

People wanted to throw Cole Bishop in the trash can already at the start of this season and yes he’s had struggles at times but you can see he’s steadily improving. If you watch the end zone shot of the INT his instincts. 
 

I think we’d all agree that Coleman has improved significantly in year 2 just doesn’t get the target share 

 

Give Jackson some time, he was a 3rd round pick, yes we hope every guy is a superstar that we draft but if Jackson becomes a rotational DE in the NFL for years that’s a success already 

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 hours ago, Westside said:

Is expecting a 3rd round pick to sit the bench, he’ll, not even dress a quarter of the way through the year acceptable? Terrible draft pick once again. They win despite their coaching and GM. 

A late third round pick yes that’s pretty likely tbh you are far from immediate starter talent at that point.  Idk why people get so hung up on rounds when you’re picking late in the draft order.  Deone Walker and Jackson hawes look like gamechangers so far.  Strong looks pretty good and may start over tre as the season goes on

 

If Hairston looks at minimum pretty good that’s a successful draft even if sanders and Jackson don’t pan out imo which may not even be the case 

 

Edited Monday at 02:27 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Big Turk]

He hasn't earned a jersey on gameday yet in the eyes of the coaching staff.  This isn't one of the NFL welfare teams where you just hand out jerseys based on draft position, we are an elite team. You have to earn it regardless of where you are drafted (ask Elam). 

 

Good teams force players to earn everything they get. Bad teams hand out jerseys on gameday based on other factors.

Edited Monday at 02:30 PM by Big Turk

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

13 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

This is why I hate some fans. These draft picks aren’t going to be instant stars right out of the draft. 
 

Kincaid was a 1st round pick, he’s now in year 3 and the lightbulb has finally turned on for him as a complete player. People want him to catch 10 passes a game but he’s making big catches at big times and he’s blocking his ass off. 
 

People wanted to throw Cole Bishop in the trash can already at the start of this season and yes he’s had struggles at times but you can see he’s steadily improving. If you watch the end zone shot of the INT his instincts. 
 

I think we’d all agree that Coleman has improved significantly in year 2 just doesn’t get the target share 

 

Give Jackson some time, he was a 3rd round pick, yes we hope every guy is a superstar that we draft but if Jackson becomes a rotational DE in the NFL for years that’s a success already 

 

 

People are still under the mindset we’re picking top 15 in the draft order every year despite being almost a decade removed from that at this point lol 

 

There are other teams that throw rookies to the wolves a lot sooner but that certainly doesn’t make them good haha chiefs we’re talkin up Ashton Gillotte all offseason who was a third round DE like Jackson and he has gotten snaps and looked pretty bad to me.  I think they had some injury issues though or he might not have played 

Edited Monday at 02:37 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[BullBuchanan]

28 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

We’re all disappointed. It’s compounded by the general perception of the D Line performance to date. Let’s face it; if the DL is underperforming it’s hard to see how this kid could be much worse. 

Is the D line underperforming?

[billsfan89]

Landon Jackson not having much of an impact his rookie year does not mean he is a bust. Please stop. Shakir and Bernard (and Bernard was a 3rd rounder too) didn't have much impact year 1. We could go on and on about players who didn't have much impact year 1 and went on to be productive players. Yes for a earlyish 3rd round pick you at least want the player to come in and be a back end rotational player. But Jackson likely fell in the draft despite his amazing physical acumen (9.88 to 9.95 RAS score) because teams probably felt like he was very raw and needed time to develop. Teams drafting players in the top 80-90 picks usually want guys that can come in right away and contribute.

 

High upside but low short term impact is exactly the type of luxury pick the Bills as an organization could afford. The Bills entering the draft had 4 DE's that are solid starting or high end rotation options in Groot, AJE, Bosa, and Hoecht plus they had Solomon in the mix a mid-round pick who had a year to develop. The Bills taking a chance on a physical freak who may need a year to develop is exactly the type of high risk high reward move the Bills should have made. 

 

They did they exact thing with Walker in round 4 taking a chance on a high end talent with an injury (back injury for a guy that massive is a concern) and he is paying dividends early because his concerns were more health than developmental. Overall I'm not concerned a rookie is raw. I think it is possible Landon is a bust but I am going to shelve my concerns until next year...

[Buffalo Junction]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Who said better options were available. It’s not like there were 1st and 2nd round talents that we passed upon. You typically get third round talents in the third round. There is a reason they don’t go higher.

 

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This… generally those 3rd round or later guys who turn into great players overcome some legitimate concern — character issues, injuries, lack of development, athletic/size deficiencies — to become excellent starters. It usually takes them some time coupled with solid coaching and top effort to break through. The occasional revelation — Elvis Dumervil — aside it’s a rarity for these guys to pop year one. 

[Dr.Sack]

Mahomes was a 1st round bust his rookie year.

[finn]

2 hours ago, PaattMaann said:

 

outside of QB, pass rush is the most premium spot in the NFL. Take a DE or 2 in the draft every year IMO. 

 

We are more than fine at WR and RB. 

I agree, but you said 2nd round, not third, when Beane took Landon Jackson. We're fine at WR and DB, but why not stack that position with a player that is likely to be very good than one at DE who is less likely to pan out? That's my point. So, yeah, first and second round at DL, but after that, draft for quality, not need, especially if the disparity between, say, a Landon Jackson and a Cam Skattebo is pronounced (if that was the case in Beane's mind). 

[strive_for_five_guy]

Sometimes you get a Spencer Brown in the 3rd round, sometimes you get a guy that isn’t ready to play yet.  And even Spencer took time to develop into one of the best tackles in the game.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Sometimes you get a Spencer Brown in the 3rd round, sometimes you get a guy that isn’t ready to play yet.  And even Spencer took time to develop into one of the best tackles in the game.

 

This need for immediate gratification is not the best long term plan, but some people can’t help themselves. Some things take time. They may or may not pan out, but I can guarantee you that Beane knew who else was available when they drafted each and every pick. 

[transient]

I find it a little ironic that someone who's been on hiatus for 5 months suddenly reappears and demands to know where others have gone... 

 

Welcome back to the fray, @Buffalo Barbarian. 

[finn]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

I didn’t actually ask for names, but I see you went ahead and cherry picked anyway. That is meaningless at this point in their careers, IMO.  Will there be a better player picked somewhere after Jackson? Of course. 

 

But I responded to ask what outrageous claims I put in someone else’s mouth. I find the 20/20 draft hindsight arguments to be weak and tiresome (especially after only 4 games), but what outrageous claims did I put in someone’s mouth? 

 

You wrote, "Who said better options were available. It’s not like there were 1st and 2nd round talents that we passed upon." I didn't claim or imply there were top-notch talents in the third round. I merely said there were likely better prospects at non-premium positions. 

 

According to you, I'm wrong because a) no better options were available than Jackson at any position when he was picked; and b) if there were, it's meaningless to point that out. Heads you win, tails I lose. 

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

3 hours ago, Augie said:

Who said better options were available. It’s not like there were 1st and 2nd round talents that we passed upon. You typically get third round talents in the third round. There is a reason they don’t go higher..

They could have taken Deonte Walker or Jackson Hawes! I bet those guy would be contributing. 

Oh wait...

[PaattMaann]

27 minutes ago, finn said:

I agree, but you said 2nd round, not third, when Beane took Landon Jackson. We're fine at WR and DB, but why not stack that position with a player that is likely to be very good than one at DE who is less likely to pan out? That's my point. So, yeah, first and second round at DL, but after that, draft for quality, not need, especially if the disparity between, say, a Landon Jackson and a Cam Skattebo is pronounced (if that was the case in Beane's mind). 

 

Cam wasn't going to make the team over Ray or Ty. You can use hindsight and say "look how ineffective Ray Davis has been", but that wasn't on their mind at the draft, and likely still isnt. Seems like YOU think they need an upgrade at the RB room, but I don't think the team views it (and definitely didnt view it then) that way. 

[colin]

i don't get how these guys can't figure out how to play special teams to get burn.

 

also, if he can't beat out solomon, he must look like hot garbage in practice.

[Augie]

41 minutes ago, finn said:

You wrote, "Who said better options were available. It’s not like there were 1st and 2nd round talents that we passed upon." I didn't claim or imply there were top-notch talents in the third round. I merely said there were likely better prospects at non-premium positions. 

 

According to you, I'm wrong because a) no better options were available than Jackson at any position when he was picked; and b) if there were, it's meaningless to point that out. Heads you win, tails I lose. 

 

So, where is the outrageousness you claimed? What words did I put in your mouth? 

 

A) I never said “no better options were available”. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  We don’t know who the better option was, and we won’t for several years. Could some guys help more next week? Probably. Who is best for us in the long term has yet to be determined. The Bills thought in the big picture Jackson was the right choice on draft day. They have long term planning to do as well as preparing for this season. They went with a premium position, which I don’t hate.

 

B) Since we don’t yet know who the best long term option is, throwing out names with the hindsight of a quarter season really doesn’t mean much, at least not yet. Obviously, some players drafted behind him will go on to have much better careers. That is the probably case with 99% of draft picks. 

 

Only an idiot could lose at the game of “Could You Pick a Better Player” in the draft over the long run. Every team has hits and misses, not just the Bills. Some guys hit right away, some need time and some never make it. I’m willing to see how this turns out, and I’m not looking back with hindsight pretending I’m smarter than the Bills FO. 

 

 

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Edited Monday at 03:56 PM by Augie

[hondo in seattle]

Jerry Hughes, a first-rounder, only had 1 start and 1 sack in his first two years in the NFL.

 

Not every football career follows the same trajectory.  

 

 

 

 

[Augie]

14 minutes ago, colin said:

i don't get how these guys can't figure out how to play special teams to get burn.

 

also, if he can't beat out solomon, he must look like hot garbage in practice.

 

If I’m a fringe guy, I don’t leave the complex until I’ve figured out how I can help on Special Teams. 

 

I like to think that Solomon has that quick twitch, bendy skillset we slack elsewhere. I’d like to see him develop to know what we’ve got. It would be awesome if he reached his perceived potential. 

[BurpleBull]

10 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

Yet another member of the “Beane's Bust Bus”.

And Ed Oliver is the driver, yeah?

 

Don't switch up in a year or two if Jackson comes on strong.