Where is Landon Jackson ???

[PaattMaann]

26 minutes ago, finn said:

This may be a naïve question, but why then draft a DE in the third round, when it seems you're much more likely to find a quality player at another position? That never made sense to me. Better a good prospect at a position where you're ok (like WR or RB, cough) than a weak prospect at DE. 

 

outside of QB, pass rush is the most premium spot in the NFL. Take a DE or 2 in the draft every year IMO. 

 

We are more than fine at WR and RB. 

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

He doesn't play Special Teams. And obviously between what we saw during the Pre-Season (yikes) and what we haven't seen in Practice - they feel what they're seeing doesn't warrant playing him over Javon Solomon.

 

Really as simple as that. If what we saw from him in the Pre-Season were an anomaly and he looked like he was someone who would be an upgrade of any kind in Practice, he'd be active. The fact that he isn't really says all that needs to be said.

 

 

Way too early to say that. But he's obviously very green and needs more developing than we were expecting. 

 

I will say though if you were someone who was expecting a Superstar, especially right out of the gate, from the kind of caliber prospect that you find at the Defensive End position in Round 3 - you were setting yourself up for disappointment.

Thats the thing- DE is maybe second to QB on guys getting overdrafted. Anyone outside the top 15-20 picks isn’t likely an instant impact. Doesn’t mean he won’t develop but to fall that far is meaningful. You get quick impact RBs there, not pass rushers typically.

[SoCal Deek]

6 hours ago, Bruce Smith Va Tech 78 said:

How can someone be a bust 4 weeks into his NFL career without getting playing time.

It’s obviously too early for the label but I’d say that being healthy but never getting on the field is the literal definition of a bust. 

[SoMAn]

It's hard not to like the guy, and I hope he develops into a solid player, but I've been skeptical about his talent level since seeing him slipping all over the turf at the combine. I believe it was during the 3-cone drill, but it may have been a different metric for pass rushers. I forget exactly, but I remember thinking maybe he's got the wrong cleats for that turf. 

Considering what I saw at the combine, and now following training camp and preseason games and not getting on the field, I have to think he may take time to develop or could be a gamble that won't pay off. At least not this year.

[Mat68]

My best guess.  Solomon is playing teams and has seniority.  Over the summer Jackson didn't clearly surpass him.  My best guess is Solomon is getting extend looks because when Huecht and Ogunjobi return decisions have to be made.  At this point Solomon looks to be in the outs.  He hasn't done much with his opportunities. Vs athletic Qbs he has not done well with contain or open field tackling.  I dont understand his placement in rotation. 

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

He doesn't play Special Teams. And obviously between what we saw during the Pre-Season (yikes) and what we haven't seen in Practice - they feel what they're seeing doesn't warrant playing him over Javon Solomon.

 

Really as simple as that. If what we saw from him in the Pre-Season were an anomaly and he looked like he was someone who would be an upgrade of any kind in Practice, he'd be active. The fact that he isn't really says all that needs to be said.

 

 

Way too early to say that. But he's obviously very green and needs more developing than we were expecting. 

 

I will say though if you were someone who was expecting a Superstar, especially right out of the gate, from the kind of caliber prospect that you find at the Defensive End position in Round 3 - you were setting yourself up for disappointment.

That’s pretty much it.  He was drafted on a projection of what he COULD be, not what he is.  He’s a giant man, with good, not great athleticism (by NFL standards) and by all accounts a hard worker.   I think fans were expecting more than he’s shown thus far, but based on him falling down the draft boards from the original projections, it looks like the NFL talent evaluators saw something they weren’t as hyped on as the fans. TYPICALLY, those guys are more right than fans.   He looks to lack the “bend” around the edge the really good ones have, I don’t know if that can be taught per se or if it’s really more of a God given gift.  He was getting flushed with ease in the preseason, by guys who also aren’t on active rosters right now, so it’s not a great start.
 

There’s a chance he could be something, there’s a higher probability, he doesn’t work out to be anything in the NFL, the odds are not in favor of people making it, no matter what we all want to think.  At the end of the day, there are 32 teams and at best there’s 6 DE spots a team, so less than 200 people employed world wide for the job, it’s not great odds of making it, even when drafted to do it. 
 

I have hopes he figures it out and develops into something, he seemed like a solid value in round 3, much like AJE in round 2, but take a look at AJE, he’s nothing special (again, by NFL standards).  Odds are, if Jackson gets it going, you might get a similar type of production from him.   I know people saw a big, crazy looking, white guy and thought Max Crosby had landed here and maybe he will turn out to be that, but it’s 99.9% more likely you get Chris Kelsey at best.

2 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

My best guess.  Solomon is playing teams and has seniority.  Over the summer Jackson didn't clearly surpass him.  My best guess is Solomon is getting extend looks because when Huecht and Ogunjobi return decisions have to be made.  At this point Solomon looks to be in the outs.  He hasn't done much with his opportunities. Vs athletic Qbs he has not done well with contain or open field tackling.  I dont understand his placement in rotation. 

You may be right, but honestly I think he has some talent and might be showing more in practice.  He’s another late round guy, trying to make a mark and I’d agree he hasn’t been able to do a lot, but he is on the field and that’s no small feat for a guy in his position.  I don’t think they would play him if there wasn’t something there.   With the depth at DE, he must be doing something to see the field.

[djp14150]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

So disappointing. He’s gotta be pulling his out over this!..

Most nfl draft picks who make final roster do not play much their first 12 games beyond ST/ garbage time

[Augie]

48 minutes ago, finn said:

I thought it would be obnoxious to cherry pick the third round to make my point, but since you ask, it would have been nice to have cornerback Jonas Salker, who knocked down and then intercepted passes from Allen on successive plays yesterday; he was available, as was Cam Skattebo. 

 

Also, I'm not saying there were 1st and 2nd round talents in the third round, just like I didn't say there were future Hall of Famers to be had there. What is up with the straw man fixation in this community? Do you have to put outrageous claims in the mouths of people you disagree with in order to respond to them?

 

I didn’t actually ask for names, but I see you went ahead and cherry picked anyway. That is meaningless at this point in their careers, IMO.  Will there be a better player picked somewhere after Jackson? Of course. 

 

But I responded to ask what outrageous claims I put in someone else’s mouth. I find the 20/20 draft hindsight arguments to be weak and tiresome (especially after only 4 games), but what outrageous claims did I put in someone’s mouth? 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

If they're not even going to play the man, why have him on the roster?

 

[Augie]

54 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

It’s obviously too early for the label but I’d say that being healthy but never getting on the field is the literal definition of a bust. 

 

I will say that if it’s obviously too early, it’s obviously too early. 

[T master]

2 hours ago, Westside said:

Is expecting a 3rd round pick to sit the bench, he’ll, not even dress a quarter of the way through the year acceptable? Terrible draft pick once again. They win despite their coaching and GM. 

Hater Alert - Hater Alert !!!! 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

If they're not even going to play the man, why have him on the roster?

 

I mean, it’s fine to have guys develop without getting on the field. 
 

The issue fans have, and it’s fair, is that a 3RD Rounder should be able to help if the players in front of him getting Gameday jerseys are struggling. 
 

Instead we have AJ having to gut out an injury, Rousseau apparently playing injured for multiple games now and Bosa on an absurd snap count for a guy they brought in to make sure he’s available for the Playoffs.  Rounded out by a largely ineffective 5th Round Pick.  Good stuff. 

[DJB]

I think it’s mostly going to be a redshirt year for Landon. 
 

Depending if Bosa or Epenesa are back or not next year I assume one will not which will open up a door for him . 
 

He’s not a bust still early 

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, DJB said:

I think it’s mostly going to be a redshirt year for Landon. 
 

Depending if Bosa or Epenesa are back or not next year I assume one will not which will open up a door for him . 
 

He’s not a bust still early 

 

This is what the good franchises do, they are able to plan and look down the road to potential scenarios and potential future needs in future years. You don’t draft to win the first four games out of the gate after the draft. 

 

I’m not saying he will be a stud, or even in the league in 2-3 years, but I know right now is not the time to try to decide. 

[nosejob]

I think he'll be good and believe it's about getting more comfortable. On a hard knocks episode, I believe there was some Olinemen talking about a guy being nervous and that's who I thought they were talking about. Anywho, I would like to see some more unconventional looks along the line, such as maybe a 5-2-4.

 

Back when we had Lorax line up between tackle and guard, he blew up every play. JMO. I believe playing an extra lineman will be the new deal and obviously we won't be the 1st to do it.

[JP51]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

It’s obviously too early for the label but I’d say that being healthy but never getting on the field is the literal definition of a bust. 

So, I am torn here... maybe our definition of bust is different... like when I say bust it is definitive... they are a bust, lost cause, get em out...  but in the end I am with you... highly touted 3rd rd pick not even being able to dress for a game with the below average performance of our defense and even worse pass rush (although yesterdays seemed a bit better)  is really disappointing... I had hoped for more. 

[Mat68]

17 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

That’s pretty much it.  He was drafted on a projection of what he COULD be, not what he is.  He’s a giant man, with good, not great athleticism (by NFL standards) and by all accounts a hard worker.   I think fans were expecting more than he’s shown thus far, but based on him falling down the draft boards from the original projections, it looks like the NFL talent evaluators saw something they weren’t as hyped on as the fans. TYPICALLY, those guys are more right than fans.   He looks to lack the “bend” around the edge the really good ones have, I don’t know if that can be taught per se or if it’s really more of a God given gift.  He was getting flushed with ease in the preseason, by guys who also aren’t on active rosters right now, so it’s not a great start.
 

There’s a chance he could be something, there’s a higher probability, he doesn’t work out to be anything in the NFL, the odds are not in favor of people making it, no matter what we all want to think.  At the end of the day, there are 32 teams and at best there’s 6 DE spots a team, so less than 200 people employed world wide for the job, it’s not great odds of making it, even when drafted to do it. 
 

I have hopes he figures it out and develops into something, he seemed like a solid value in round 3, much like AJE in round 2, but take a look at AJE, he’s nothing special (again, by NFL standards).  Odds are, if Jackson gets it going, you might get a similar type of production from him.   I know people saw a big, crazy looking, white guy and thought Max Crosby had landed here and maybe he will turn out to be that, but it’s 99.9% more likely you get Chris Kelsey at best.

You may be right, but honestly I think he has some talent and might be showing more in practice.  He’s another late round guy, trying to make a mark and I’d agree he hasn’t been able to do a lot, but he is on the field and that’s no small feat for a guy in his position.  I don’t think they would play him if there wasn’t something there.   With the depth at DE, he must be doing something to see the field.

I think his play over the years has earned his spot on the roster and in the rotation.  But he isnt a rookie anymore.  His work over the summer and in practice has put him on the field.  This season he hasn’t taken advantage of it.  He is at the produce stage.  By looking like the weak spot of the group on the field he is firmly in consideration to be waived when the suspension is up.  Through 4 games Solomon hasnt played very good.  I would give Jackson those snaps.  

[SoCal Deek]

22 minutes ago, JP51 said:

So, I am torn here... maybe our definition of bust is different... like when I say bust it is definitive... they are a bust, lost cause, get em out...  but in the end I am with you... highly touted 3rd rd pick not even being able to dress for a game with the below average performance of our defense and even worse pass rush (although yesterdays seemed a bit better)  is really disappointing... I had hoped for more. 

We’re all disappointed. It’s compounded by the general perception of the D Line performance to date. Let’s face it; if the DL is underperforming it’s hard to see how this kid could be much worse. 

[JP51]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

We’re all disappointed. It’s compounded by the general perception of the D Line performance to date. Let’s face it; if the DL is underperforming it’s hard to see how this kid could be much worse. 

Totally agree, but I think what makes it worse (and this may be misguided) is that if McD thought he would be any help he would be in there over even Solomon or Epinesa with a clear pec issue for the Saints game... that kinda tells me that he just isnt ready to contribute.. I hope that changes, but who knows...  

[Einstein]

8 hours ago, Bruce Smith Va Tech 78 said:

How can someone be a bust 4 weeks into his NFL career without getting playing time.

 

To be fair, that was the excuse for Elam too.

 

”he just isn’t getting the playing time”

 

Turns out that there is a very good reason he wasn’t getting playing time. Let’s see how Dallas fans are liking him: