Game week thread - Pats at Bills SNF

[Scott7975]

A lot of talk about Maye. Warner broke down some film of him if you want to have a look and haven't really seen the kid play this year.
 

 

[Chandler#81]

7 hours ago, 50yrpatsfan said:

Wave your hand all you want, those are the facts. If you want to credit it all to Brady, then credit it all to Mahomes. Plus look at some of the other years in the 2010's when NE didn't make the SB but led the league in offense. McDaniel's record is unbelievable.

JUST a half century?😳

So, you know nothing of Babe Parilli, Jim Nance or Bouniconti? 
 

whippersnaper… 🙄

[TPS]

8 hours ago, sven233 said:

 

Yeah.....  It's because of the lack of finish.  Everyone is high on Walker, and hopefully rightfully so, because he makes splash plays.  He's finished in both the pass and run game at times.  But if you watch Sanders, he does get pressure up the middle more than you think, but because there is no finish, you don't think about him as much.  But he has forced some good plays himself.  The problem with both of these DTs is that they are struggling with gap integrity and are getting washed out in the run game way too much.  Walker will make a couple of eye popping plays per game, but many of those come off of him cheating his gap.  He'll backside a play where he's supposed to be 1 gap over and make a play in the backfield sometimes.  But there are times he cheats and takes himself completely out of the play and that's why there are big runs against us sometimes.  I don't think Sanders cheats as much and that's why you don't see the splash plays in the run game.  The problem is, though, even with him being in the right gap, he is still getting washed out way more than you want to see.

 

Look....it's not easy playing DT.  There is a lot more than you think that goes into it.  What you hope is that these guys learn to stay home, be in the right gap which probably keeps a LB free to fill in the hole.  Do your 1/11th.  But these guys have 13 more games to figure this all out before we need them to be at the next level for the Playoffs.  Hopefully they both improve each week.

According to Cover1, he does lose gap integrity sometimes, but not often. I’ve heard bits from various players alluding to the issues with the run as “attention to detail”. So, bottom line, I think your last paragraph sums it up nicely. 
ps.  Scrolling through C1 on X, he’s got a short clip that shows It was Sanders who flushed Rattler from the pocket for AJE’s sack. 

[boyst]

5 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

No, he wasn't.  Grogan was with NE for 15 years - 1975 to 1990, started his first 6 years then remained as a backup.

Eason started in NE from 1984 to 1986

 

Fun backstory: I don't know this kind of stuff generally, but I had the chance to see a one-man play called "Runt of the Litter" by former NFL safety Bo Eason, Tony's younger brother, which was loosely based on his experiences growing up then going to college and making it to the pro's, as the less innately gifted, harder working "runt".  So I got interested and researched them a bit.

I was going off of memory, I'm curious if you did as well. 

 

Either way that Pat's fan knows nothing about his team, because you know flutie was only there under Belichick in the scrub years

[Jukester]

40 minutes ago, boyst said:

I was going off of memory, I'm curious if you did as well. 

 

Either way that Pat's fan knows nothing about his team, because you know flutie was only there under Belichick in the scrub years

Wrong. Flutie had an earlier stint with NE 1987-1989 before going there later in his career.

[boyst]

15 minutes ago, Jukester said:

Wrong. Flutie had an earlier stint with NE 1987-1989 before going there later in his career.

i know that. that's what i had said. and i had told the pats fan that and he said i was 100% wrong lol

[PatsFanNH]

3 hours ago, TPS said:

According to Cover1, he does lose gap integrity sometimes, but not often. I’ve heard bits from various players alluding to the issues with the run as “attention to detail”. So, bottom line, I think your last paragraph sums it up nicely. 
ps.  Scrolling through C1 on X, he’s got a short clip that shows It was Sanders who flushed Rattler from the pocket for AJE’s sack. 

 

53 minutes ago, boyst said:

i know that. that's what i had said. and i had told the pats fan that and he said i was 100% wrong lol

Actually what i said was is he only was there for the scab season (1987) but forgot he was the BACKUP to crappy QBs for 2 more years.. we had such Greeeat coaches back then lol.. (we stunk why not start the home town hero to get people in the seats)?

[Bruffalo]

 

I'm expecting one of these types of games. 

[BearNorth]

Just Saw that the Pro Football Hall of Fame announced their 52 senior nominees.

 

Former Bills on the list

Jack Kemp

Steve Tasker

Lemar Parrish [1982 team]

Art Powell [6 games in 1967]

 

 

[Nitro]

On 10/1/2025 at 8:32 PM, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I am not sure where this comes from. I think people like to assume Vrable has changed

this team into some very well coached squad. I am not saying they haven’t improved but in comparison to the bills they are still severely lacking in two major categories that I’d classify as the indication of disciplined:

 

Penalties and turnovers. So by that metric, we are far more disciplined on average through 4 games in 2025

Turnovers are not discipline.  That is a flaw of the talent and coaching.  They are buying into the HC and are a tough team to beat.  Bills have to play a better brand of football.  Underwhelmed by the total team performance this season.

[boyst]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

 

Actually what i said was is he only was there for the scab season (1987) but forgot he was the BACKUP to crappy QBs for 2 more years.. we had such Greeeat coaches back then lol.. (we stunk why not start the home town hero to get people in the seats)?

flutie was there for multiple years in the 80's

 

jesus. how can a fan of team constantly be so wrong? like... all the time?

 

holy freaking airball.

 

 

dude legit started 13 games over 3 years for your team.... how tf do you not realize he was a starter? i mean, it was some of the worst years for the patriots but come on.

Edited 13 hours ago by boyst

[eball]

21 hours ago, 50yrpatsfan said:

Think Justin Herbert. 6'4, big arm, accurate, athletic, mobile but not a runner per se. He's playing well, partly his own improvement and partly due to 4 new offensive lineman and a great OC. 

 

Right now Drake Maye is nowhere near Justin Herbert, who himself is nowhere near the Allen/Mahomes/Lamar/Burrow tier.

 

[eball]

16 hours ago, Success said:

Good to see you again, @PatsFanNH! 

 

Really?  It is?

 

The fewer Massholes in here the better if you ask me…

 

[RobbRiddick]

8 minutes ago, boyst said:

flutie was there for multiple years in the 80's

 

jesus. how can a fan of team constantly be so wrong? like... all the time?

 

holy freaking airball.

 

 

dude legit started 13 games over 3 years for your team.... how tf do you not realize he was a starter? i mean, it was some of the worst years for the patriots but come on.

Because like most Pats fans he likely only became a fan when the team was the best in the league. Then a bunch of them jumped ship and became Tampa fans when Tom left, and now he's retired they're moving back to the Pats because Maye is getting hyped. They've been raised on winning and can't handle the down years because winning is all they knew. Say what you want about Bills fans but we were there through thick and thin

[Cash]

11 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

29th in 3rd downs and 25th in 1st downs allowed. Those are the main two stats when it comes to measuring them getting off the field. It was bad.

 

Turnovers are a different conversation. They are splash /big plays, and yes they were great at it.

 

So wait, after forcing a turnover, the defense stays on the field?  How does that work???

[boyst]

what we need to get right this week:

• 3rd down defense. Maye is not someone who is going to just sit there and take it while he will get sacked, and I anticipate a fumble or two on this turning the ball over which helps momentum for the Bills. The Bills need to put up an effort on stopping third downs.
• survive the game and move on to MNF against Atlanta. I think Atlanta is our get right game of the year heading to a bye week then Carolina to exercise off of our rest and the KC game. we won't look past Carolina for KC. the atmosphere in Carolina is going to be a home crowd. the Atlanta game is going to be primetime Josh finding his groove and elevating his team to the level of play that needs to exist the rest of the year as we look forward to coming home for a rest. that said, this week we just need to simply win by not being stupid. survive.
• depth players need to be able to make a dent with their limited playing time. players like ray davis, dorian strong, dawson knox/dalton kincaid... players getting 10-30% of the the snap counts need to do something that gives bang for the buck

4 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

Because like most Pats fans he likely only became a fan when the team was the best in the league. Then a bunch of them jumped ship and became Tampa fans when Tom left, and now he's retired they're moving back to the Pats because Maye is getting hyped. They've been raised on winning and can't handle the down years because winning is all they knew. Say what you want about Bills fans but we were there through thick and thin

yes, i've pointed it out. became fans in oct 2001. before that they liked the patriots because they were the local team and the bruins were awful, the red sox sucked, and sometiems the celtics were good so they didn't have much to be happy about. 

 

even their clam chowder and baked beans were lousy in those years.

 

eff boston.

[BillsFan130]

8 minutes ago, Cash said:

 

So wait, after forcing a turnover, the defense stays on the field?  How does that work???

When you force a turnover you get off the field.

But how can you possibly say that's more of an important stat than looking at being 25th on first downs allowed, and 29th on 3rd downs when it comes to getting off the field? Lol. 
 

They were a big play defence which is important. But that Doesn't mean they consistently stopped anyone...25th in first downs allowed and 29th on 3rd downs literally shows they were one of the worst teams in the nfl in stopping teams

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

10 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

 

They were a big play defence which is important. But that Doesn't mean they consistently stopped anyone...25th in first downs allowed and 29th on 3rd downs literally shows they were one of the worst teams in the nfl in stopping teams

 

 

Playing complimentary football demands big improvements in the Bills 3rd down defense.  With one of the best offenses in he NFL the Bills can not continue to allow 3rd and long conversions that steal possessions from their O.

 

The other problem with allowing 3rd down conversions is that it steals momentum.  Take last week, after the Bills go up 7 - 0 the Saints put together a long drive converting multiple 3rd and longs to tie the game up. Even worse after the Bills take the 2nd half KO and drive for a TD that puts them up 21 - 10 and on the verge of a blowout the D again allows a long TD drive to make it a game.

 

 

[PatsFanNH]

39 minutes ago, boyst said:

flutie was there for multiple years in the 80's

 

jesus. how can a fan of team constantly be so wrong? like... all the time?

 

holy freaking airball.

 

 

dude legit started 13 games over 3 years for your team.... how tf do you not realize he was a starter? i mean, it was some of the worst years for the patriots but come on.

Did you even read what i said? I said he was there 2 more years you listed 2 more years outside the scab year.. 😂 someone likes to make a big deal over something happened over 35 years ago? Unlike you I am going from memory.. 

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Did you even read what i said? I said he was there 2 more years you listed 2 more years outside the scab year.. 😂 someone likes to make a big deal over something happened over 35 years ago? Unlike you I am going from memory..