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[Augie]

11 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Bills have three players that hopefully will be returning soon.    

Hairston and Hoecht seem like locks to make the 53.  Ogunjobi to me is 50/50.

Play GM for a moment and post what you would do knowing what you know today.

 

Here is what I would do...

 

Add Hairston - Cut Ingram

Add Hoecht - put Milano on IR designated to return - this gives Milano time to heal and kicks the decision on another player down the road.  

Add Ogunjobi and cut DQ. I considered just cutting Ogunjobi but DQ has been awful.  

 

As much as I want to get rid of Epenesa, DQ is playing even worse.  

I also considered cutting Samuel but I think they keep him for injury insurance.  

 

 

 

 

This is difficult to impossible. I can’t play GM based on what I know today, because I don’t know what the GM knows. Beane knows more than we do, that’s just a fact. He may not always be right (especially according to some here), but he knows more about injury situations and player preparedness than we do. How long is Hairston really looking at from a health perspective. If 100% healthy tomorrow, how ready is he to actually help? How long is Milano realistically expected to miss? What would we like to do against our upcoming opponents? There is so much we don’t know. 

 

I know we all want to be smarter than our GM, but we are not. I promise you don’t want me as our GM, and I’ll go ahead and say I like our odds better with Beane than with the rank and file here. 

[gonzo1105]

2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Hamlin and Codrington aren't going anywhere. 

 

If anyone was being moved to make room for Hancock to see the field, it would be Cam Lewis before Damar Hamlin. But I don't think he's going anywhere either. But regardless of what you and other fans think about Hamlin - McDermott values him too much. Outside of Rapp and Bishop, he's the only Safety to be active and gotten snaps at Safety.

 

And Codrington is our entire Return game. They aren't going to risk putting someone important back there and it's too important of a job this year to go with just anybody. 

 

The odds that we get through Week 6 without a single player to put on IR is pretty slim. At least one player is going to get dinged up, if not more. And then it will come down to who's 52 and/or 53 between Sam Franklin and Ja'Marcus Ingram.

 

Off chance if our DE's are all healthy they can move AJE or if all our WR's stay healthy we can move Samuel - otherwise i'd expect them to be here.

I never mentioned Hamlin so I’m assuming I was quoted incorrectly. I also pointed out that McDermott didn’t trust Codrington enough in important games last year and preferred to have Shakir return over him late in the season and in the playoff last year while he sat as an inactive player. 
 

I gave perfectly good reasoning for why Codrington could be gone. It’s play GM for the say and what you would do. I’d make Shakir the full time returner like he was for the entire 2nd half of the season last year 

[First Round Bust]

I would cut most most of you and only keep those that agree with my posts, sign of the time..replace with strippers...sign of the times

[HamptonBillsfan]

10 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

First person off this team of I were the GM when Max gets back... Codrington. He adds absolutely nothing at the CB position. And he's making a lot of poor choices on PR. He let one ball slip through his arms and has another "return" where he had to dive forward and catch the ball. Easily could have been another fumble. He made some poor decisions in the first two games as well. Who returns kicks then? Well, we have a lot of possibilities. Ray Davis could help out on KR. Possibly Moore. Ty Johnson. Shakir has done PR in the past IIRC. And little know fact, in his last year in college, Keon Coleman was one of the top rated returners in the nation. 

 

We are at a stage that with our offense we don't need to steal 6 points on STs. We need punt catchers....not punt returners lol.

 

As far as the other two spots. I'm in favor of mothballing Milano til later in the season. He would head to IR. 

 

As far as the third spot? Perhaps Franklin. 

Are you watching the games? Codrington has all the returns so far for kickoffs and punts. He hasn’t lost any fumbles and absorbs high speed killer hits. He’s averaging 30 yds on kickoff returns and that usually means we’re starting drives between the 35 and 40 yd line. He’s had a couple of run backs that got to around midfield. Who do you want fielding kicks an untried, untested young player who can wreck games with a fumble or a decision when to come out of the end zone or let a punt go in to the end zone? 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Are you watching the games? Codrington has all the returns so far for kickoffs and punts. He hasn’t lost any fumbles and absorbs high speed killer hits. He’s averaging 30 yds on kickoff returns and that usually means we’re starting drives between the 35 and 40 yd line. He’s had a couple of run backs that got to around midfield. Who do you want fielding kicks an untried, untested young player who can wreck games with a fumble or a decision when to come out of the end zone or let a punt go in to the end zone? 

Codrington just fumbled last game and keeps taking massive hits because he apparently allergic to the fair catch signal. 
 

I think the Bills like having him back there right now when we have a bunch of guys on IR/Suspension, but when Hairston and Hoecht come back, those two take far more precedent over a kick returner… and maybe he stays if it’s just those two, but if the Bills decide they want to have Ogunjobi on the 53 as well… I’m not sure there’s room for a ST only in Franklin AND ST only in Codrington. 

[Bob in STL]

11 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Bills have three players that hopefully will be returning soon.    

Hairston and Hoecht seem like locks to make the 53.  Ogunjobi to me is 50/50.

Play GM for a moment and post what you would do knowing what you know today.

 

Here is what I would do...

 

Add Hairston - Cut Ingram

Add Hoecht - put Milano on IR designated to return - this gives Milano time to heal and kicks the decision on another player down the road.  

Add Ogunjobi and cut DQ. I considered just cutting Ogunjobi but DQ has been awful.  

 

As much as I want to get rid of Epenesa, DQ is playing even worse.  

I also considered cutting Samuel but I think they keep him for injury insurance.  

 

 

 

DQ graded out high in the last game.   

Eppy is not going to get cut.

Samuel is insurance, expensive insurance unfortunately.  

[HamptonBillsfan]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Codrington just fumbled last game and keeps taking massive hits because he apparently allergic to the fair catch signal. 
 

I think the Bills like having him back there right now when we have a bunch of guys on IR/Suspension, but when Hairston and Hoecht come back, those two take far more precedent over a kick returner… and maybe he stays if it’s just those two, but if the Bills decide they want to have Ogunjobi on the 53 as well… I’m not sure there’s room for a ST only in Franklin AND ST only in Codrington. 

Every returner bobbles a punt and gets on it before he turns it over. He’s hasn’t lost a punt or kickoff yet and he’s averaging 30 on runbacks. That’s better than league average. You’re looking to dump a guy who won the job and  has been productive because he’s only depth at corner?. Kick returner and kickers are vital to making a special team unit successful. Unless you have someone, who’s returned kicks in the pros before that is as good, I wouldn’t mess with what’s working.

[NeverOutNick]

13 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Codrington just fumbled last game and keeps taking massive hits because he apparently allergic to the fair catch signal. 
 

I think the Bills like having him back there right now when we have a bunch of guys on IR/Suspension, but when Hairston and Hoecht come back, those two take far more precedent over a kick returner… and maybe he stays if it’s just those two, but if the Bills decide they want to have Ogunjobi on the 53 as well… I’m not sure there’s room for a ST only in Franklin AND ST only in Codrington. 

Agreed although I don’t think Franklin is ST only. Dude can play safety and I’m hoping better than Hamlin (which isn’t a tall order) 

[pennstate10]

11 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

First person off this team of I were the GM when Max gets back... Codrington. He adds absolutely nothing at the CB position. And he's making a lot of poor choices on PR. He let one ball slip through his arms and has another "return" where he had to dive forward and catch the ball. Easily could have been another fumble. He made some poor decisions in the first two games as well. Who returns kicks then? Well, we have a lot of possibilities. Ray Davis could help out on KR. Possibly Moore. Ty Johnson. Shakir has done PR in the past IIRC. And little know fact, in his last year in college, Keon Coleman was one of the top rated returners in the nation. 

 

We are at a stage that with our offense we don't need to steal 6 points on STs. We need punt catchers....not punt returners lol.

 

As far as the other two spots. I'm in favor of mothballing Milano til later in the season. He would head to IR. 

 

As far as the third spot? Perhaps Franklin. 

Pretty sure that Franklin leads team in ST tackles. 
 

On board with cutting Cod. 

11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Just in respect of numbers it has to be at least one DL and at least one DB as straight swaps. I think the third one you have some flexibility in terms of position. 

 

If it were me personally I'd go:

- Cut Sam Franklin (re-sign to PS which also resets his elevations). Really good STs player and not sure they will do this but I think having twon DBs (Codrington as well) who really only play teams is a luxury you can't afford if it means cutting a guy like Ingram who can play multiple spots. 

 

- Trade AJ Epenesa. Don't think we have seen enough from the edge guys outside of Bosa so far and while I am not under the illusion you would get much in return but maybe a team really struggling for pressure like a certain NFC South team we love to do deals with might flip you a late day 3 pick. I'd consider cutting Solomon too but I think he is a better teams player and he is cheap depth for another two seasons on his rookie deal so from a long term roster management perspective he makes more sense to keep. 

 

- Cut Curtis Samuel. I'd rather not do this one, but if I have to cut a third guy it is Samuel. He is clearly WR6 on this roster, doesn't play teams and is a vet insurance luxury. He is gone after 2025 in any event. 

 

He has. I am head of the "DQ is washed" club but he was really good Thursday and played okay vs the Jets. FWIW PFF has him as the 3rd ranked DT in all of football right now. That feels like an overselling it to me but I don't think you can cut your most natural 1T when he playing pretty well to end up with a DT room of four primary 3Ts.

Agree that DQ isn’t playing as well as his first year here. But he’s clearly the best 1T on the roster today. 
 

See if you can trade Samuel. Maybe even include a 7th to get his salary off the books. 
 

Keep Franklin. I think he leads team in ST tackles. Cut codrington. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

33 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Are you watching the games? Codrington has all the returns so far for kickoffs and punts. He hasn’t lost any fumbles and absorbs high speed killer hits. He’s averaging 30 yds on kickoff returns and that usually means we’re starting drives between the 35 and 40 yd line. He’s had a couple of run backs that got to around midfield. Who do you want fielding kicks an untried, untested young player who can wreck games with a fumble or a decision when to come out of the end zone or let a punt go in to the end zone? 

I'm watching. Are you? Or more important, do you understand what you're seeing? 

 

The second bolded part actually describes Codrington almost to a T. He's on SEVERAL occasions already taken a ball out of the end zone he shouldn't have. He tried and kicked out diving for a punt catch rather then avoid contact. He got one fumble and is darn lucky we recov. All of these things were what Hardy was doing that forced us to trade for Codrington in the first place. 

 

He has very poor decision making and sooner or later it's going to bite the Bills.

[Mango]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree the DB decision comes down to Franklin or Ingram. They are not cutting Damar. 

 

But at least one of the cuts has to be Dline. They currently have 5 DEs and 4 DTs. They are not going to make that 6 DEs and 5 DTs. 6 and 4 I can see. 5 and 5 I can see. But they are not going with eleven spots on the defensive line. Other than the idea that they cut Ogonjobi without him ever making the roster who else is at risk? They aren't cutting Jackson even though he is a perennial inactive. I think the chances of them cutting Daquan are pretty remote given his play especially this past week, and Oliver, Groot, Bosa and the two rookie DTs are safe as houses. So you get to Solomon or Epenesa pretty quickly and while AJE has played some teams snaps this year Solomon has been a core STer.

 

Cam isn't playing safety though. That is his point. Cam has a very specific role in our dime package. 

 

I really like Ingram as depth in the DB room he is longer and more physical than Cam.

 

I know McD loves what Cam Lewis does overall, but I think Ingram is the better defender at this point.

 

I would be bummed to move Ingram back to the PS in favor of Cam Lewis 

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I really like Ingram as depth in the DB room he is longer and more physical than Cam.

 

I know McD loves what Cam Lewis does overall, but I think Ingram is the better defender at this point.

 

I would be bummed to move Ingram back to the PS in favor of Cam Lewis 

 

Yea I disagree on that. Cam has been really effective since they started using him as their dime at the start of last season. And J think he is better at nickel and safety than Ingram. Ingram is a better outside corner, but given the depth ahead of him there not sure that counts for as much. 

[HamptonBillsfan]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I'm watching. Are you? Or more important, do you understand what you're seeing? 

 

The second bolded part actually describes Codrington almost to a T. He's on SEVERAL occasions already taken a ball out of the end zone he shouldn't have. He tried and kicked out diving for a punt catch rather then avoid contact. He got one fumble and is darn lucky we recov. All of these things were what Hardy was doing that forced us to trade for Codrington in the first place. 

 

He has very poor decision making and sooner or later it's going to bite the Bills.

You still haven’t answered who would replace him. You haven’t acknowledged his average of 30 yards a kickoff return, better than league average and now he’s “lucky” not to have one fumble lost. We’re 3 and 0 and special teams have not been a problem but a strength and you want him replaced because “sooner or later” something bad is going to happen. Thankfully the team doesn’t consult you on personnel decisions. 

[Mango]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea I disagree on that. Cam has been really effective since they started using him as their dime at the start of last season. And J think he is better at nickel and safety than Ingram. Ingram is a better outside corner, but given the depth ahead of him there not sure that counts for as much. 

 

I won't comment on dime or safety. But I thought we got decebt production from Ingram at nickel when he stepped in for TJ last year.

 

It's a big part of why I would rather keep him over Cam.

[HOUSE]

3 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

And immediately write the salesperson a big bonus cheque! 😁

I was thinking more like Lamborghini or BMW

[MasterStrategist]

Franklin is a cut IMO, when Max returns.  Hes been real good on S/T, but between him and Ingram.

 

Regarding Hoecht and Oji, will depend how healthy we are.  No way we keep 12 DL - if someone is banged up (at any position) then its an easy decision to IR someone.  

 

Outside chance we cut Oji too.

 

Bottom line, let's see our health week 7.  But Franklin, Ingram, Samuel, and Oji himself are all potential guys to be cut.

[SoonerBillsFan]

14 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Bills have three players that hopefully will be returning soon.    

Hairston and Hoecht seem like locks to make the 53.  Ogunjobi to me is 50/50.

Play GM for a moment and post what you would do knowing what you know today.

 

Here is what I would do...

 

Add Hairston - Cut Ingram

Add Hoecht - put Milano on IR designated to return - this gives Milano time to heal and kicks the decision on another player down the road.  

Add Ogunjobi and cut DQ. I considered just cutting Ogunjobi but DQ has been awful.  

 

As much as I want to get rid of Epenesa, DQ is playing even worse.  

I also considered cutting Samuel but I think they keep him for injury insurance.  

 

 

 

I try to trade AJ when Hoecht comes back

[Ethan in Cleveland]

13 hours ago, QLBillsFan said:

Too early to make any moves. Ingram being cut is possible.
Why would the Bills put MM in IR to add one of the suspended guys. Who aren’t even able to practice until the bye week. They are in no way cutting DQ. They are not cutting CS or Epenesa. Cap implications for all three. They woukd have cut those guys in pre season if that was going to happen. 

Well you have to cut someone to bring those three back to the roster.  So either you cut the PED guys or someone on the current roster needs to go

[QLBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Well you have to cut someone to bring those three back to the roster.  So either you cut the PED guys or someone on the current roster needs to go

Yes I agree but that’s a long way away. Unfortunately inevitable injuries may resolve the problem for them. Example MM isn’t going on IR unless it’s long term. But some of the vets have significant cap implications and cutting them is a financial issue. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

4 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

As others have mentioned you are dead wrong on Daquan. Go watch tape. We was good against Dolphins.

 

I think these three you mentioned are relatively easy. Three cuts should be Ingram, Franklin and one DL. Which DL is a question. I agree with @GunnerBill that trading AJE seems like an obvious solution since Solomon plays ST and is on a cheap rookie deal. Hopefully we can find a trade partner. I do think he is solid DE3 and could be worth a 6th.

 

You forgot to mention Grable. That's an interesting one. Lunds seems like and obvious OL/OL swap but I don't think they want to cut him. So this is maybe where Samuel might enter the conversation. Or maybe Van Demark could be cut or traded.

 

 In the past you were saying this because how good Taron was. Is it still the reason or do you think that even with Cam Lewis on the field we shouldn't run more 4-3?

Sorry I did forget Grable.  That is an interesting one.  Have to wonder if they just leave him on IR for this year.  Lundt might be able to sneak through waivers. Also I wonder with how well Hawes is playing if they decide that Anderson is expendable.  He is not on the field much any more.  

10 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I try to trade AJ when Hoecht comes back

I like this idea a lot. However it takes two to trade.  If you were another GM what would you offer?  To me I think he is terrible and not exactly cheap either so I wouldn't part with even a low round draft pick.  Now maybe there is a team like Titans or Carolina with lots of cap space that would be willing to take him on fir a 7th round pick.