McDermott decision making

[billsfan89]

My only issue thus far with McD has been him going for 2 against the Ravens after the penalty on the PAT and not challenging that Hill Bobble very early in Miami. Those are mostly nitpicks. The Bills have played 3 very crisp well coached games thus far. Not much to complain about in terms of coaching decisions. 

1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said:

I mentioned it earlier in a group chat - it’s not something I would’ve challenged personally. In real time, I was yelling that it was a bobble, not a catch. If that had been the original call on the field, I think it would’ve stood. Same goes the other way with it being ruled a catch.

 

What really frustrates me is the league’s process for replay assistance. It’s absurd. I even joked in that same chat that McDermott was probably waiting for the league to randomly radio down from the booth and overturn it, but maybe this just wasn’t one of those games. Then sure enough, late in the game, the refs suddenly do radio down and overturn a bad spot on the Dolphins’ final drive.

 

I'm always willing to burn a borderline challenge early in the game. You get two challenges so if you lose a challenge you still have one in your pocket for later in the game and if you lose a time out it is a first half timeout. I would have challenged the bobble even if it stood it gives your defense a chance to reorient its self for a new set of downs if upheld. It's not the worst non-call I think coaches are just way too nervous to make challenges early. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

The Bills against the Ravens literally had 30 seconds left with no timeouts at their own 25 at the end of the first half.  We got a field goal.

I understand and that’s a good point, but they didn’t assist the Ravens beforehand by calling timeouts for them in the red zone and giving them ample time to set everything up to score. 

Edited September 19 by ChronicAndKnuckles

[MJS]

Neither of those plays should have been challenged. You are going to waste a challenge on the first drive of the game to take away a five yard pass? And challenging the spot of Allen's slide? Sorry, but that is never getting overturned either, especially since he started the process of his slide behind the 1st down marker.

 

I'm glad you aren't in charge. Leave it to the people who know what they are doing.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

21 minutes ago, MJS said:

Neither of those plays should have been challenged. You are going to waste a challenge on the first drive of the game to take away a five yard pass? And challenging the spot of Allen's slide? Sorry, but that is never getting overturned either, especially since he started the process of his slide behind the 1st down marker.

 

I'm glad you aren't in charge. Leave it to the people who know what they are doing.

 

You're ignoring some pretty important context, the 5 yard pass happened on 3rd and 4 from the Bills 41 yard line. I think it's a pretty easy over-turn and the Dolphins would be facing 4th and 4. They could either go for it, attempt a 58 yard FG, or punt. That's absolutely worth a challenge. 

 

If John Parry is still our replay assist guy he should probably be fired. 

[Augie]

I’m glad these are the kind of things people are clinging to to complain about. It’s also amusing to see the same predictable crowd agreeing. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Except, that's not what is mentioned in the OP. They are saying McDermott is responsible for that. But according to you we have people to alert him to when to challenge. He can only see it at one angle at live speed. And he only gets 40 seconds to decide. A lot goes into it. Enough that he isn't solely to blame for not challenge that one. 

 

Who hires the people to tell him which way to go on it? He is responsible for it, especially when it's been a problem for 9 years. 

[DuckyBoys]

Hill bobbles the football  Just a question of did the replay guy they pay miss it or did McDermott just not trust him and listen

[Freak-O]

The anti McDermott crowd is such a tired and straw clutching bunch. 

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, Freak-O said:

The anti McDermott crowd is such a tired and straw clutching bunch. 

 

I will give them credit for tremendous stamina, however. 

[QLBillsFan]

3 hours ago, billvernsays said:

Then it’s his job to get a new Booth guy. He’s 0-2 3 games in that were pretty clear and obvious. 

Agree! Didn’t we hire ex official John Perry? If he’s not getting it done quickly, let’s get someone else. It can’t be McD waiting too long for the info. Let’s go! 

[QLBillsFan]

55 minutes ago, MJS said:

Neither of those plays should have been challenged. You are going to waste a challenge on the first drive of the game to take away a five yard pass? And challenging the spot of Allen's slide? Sorry, but that is never getting overturned either, especially since he started the process of his slide behind the 1st down marker.

 

I'm glad you aren't in charge. Leave it to the people who know what they are doing.

Disagree. Hill didn’t make the catch. Josh’s slide was clearly a first down. In both instances announcers thought the calls were wrong. On Josh’s slide the rules analyst said so. Giving a first down up vs 4th and 4 is never not important if the call is clear. Glad you’re not in charge. But I sure wish John Parry was! 😂 

[Matt_In_NH]

The decision to make this thread is equivalent to taking a knee on the last play of the game when you are down by one.  

[MJS]

36 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

Hill bobbles the football  Just a question of did the replay guy they pay miss it or did McDermott just not trust him and listen

He did, but there is also a chance that his back foot was barely down still when he made the catch after the bobble. It was closer than you think. Regardless, though, don't challenge a 5 yard play on the first drive of the game. That's just wasteful.

[Breakout Squad]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said:

The bigger picture…..You are missing the bigger picture.

Oh. Ok 🤷

[pennstate10]

3 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Clock management is hands down McDermott’s worst trait as a coach. Those time outs during the end of the half were ridiculous. Did they really think they were going to do much with 30 seconds and no time outs ? Even if that’s your goal then let Miami use THEIR time outs first. They executed that drive perfectly for the TD and left 11 seconds for us. 
 

The non-challenge on the bobbled Tyreek catch. If a normal fan can see it from their couch then there is no excuse for an NFL coach. Drive led to 7 points. Just mind boggling. I hope they learn from these mistakes because you can’t be pulling that crap in the playoffs. 

Re: taking TO hoping to get the ball back with enough time to score. Allen is easily one of the 3 best 2 minute qb in the nfl today. Not a bad decision at the time. Hindsight is 50:50. 
 

Again, not clear that they would have reversed the call. If it was clear, nfl central would have reversed it, as they have done with other clear calls this year. 
 

Some folks aren’t happy unless they have something to whine about. 
 

Here are a few better options. 
1) Bills 3rd down defense

2) Bills CB play

3) Bills punting 

4) price of coffee

5) price of gas

[machine gun kelly]

I find it funny how most of these threads are fro guys with under 1000 posts.  They find fault in a 3-0 team with an avg. if 34 pts per game on avg.  I rarely see this stuff from the 15000 post guys.  Thinks that make you ummmh.

 

Our coach isn’t perfect, but he makes more right calls then not.

[The Jokeman]

42 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

Hill bobbles the football  Just a question of did the replay guy they pay miss it or did McDermott just not trust him and listen

Honestly the replay we saw watching to me was watching the game was after Dolphins snapped ball on 1st down or milliseconds after. Not sure what happened at the stadium. It's easy to MMQB the miss challenge.

[QLBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

I find it funny how most of these threads are fro guys with under 1000 posts.  They find fault in a 3-0 team with an avg. if 34 pts per game on avg.  I rarely see this stuff from the 15000 post guys.  Thinks that make you ummmh.

 

Our coach isn’t perfect, but he makes more right calls then not.

Totally agree about the initial point of the thread. I’m more concerned about what John Parry is providing to McD so he can make better challenges. I have zero concerns about clock management. The Ravens are still bitching about the Bills execution to end the half and get the FG. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

19 minutes ago, MJS said:

He did, but there is also a chance that his back foot was barely down still when he made the catch after the bobble. It was closer than you think. Regardless, though, don't challenge a 5 yard play on the first drive of the game. That's just wasteful.

 

Challenging a 5 yard gain on a 3rd and 4 is NOT wasteful. 

 

[Simon]

4 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

Challenging a 5 yard gain on a 3rd and 4 is NOT wasteful. 

 

 

Yeah, that's not about the yardage, that's about the change of possession.