Meanwhile, always fun to drop in on Finheaven during Bills week

[Augie]

14 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Will 100% get roasted, HOWEVER,  if Brady gets a HC job, I'm 100% bringing in McDaniels (a guy with a major chip on his shoulder) to run the offense.

 

The dudes brilliant, but the team has turned on him.  What he lacks in leadership, he can earn in respect with our guys.  Also, there are plenty of coaches and even player coaches, set up as framework where he wouldnt have the same issues here.  This job would look like a trip to DisneyLand with Josh running the offense.  Also, I see him as a guy recognizing his ceiling and not wanting to leave a coordinator position for HC job, allowing us some continuity.

 

Fangio (situation is how i picture McDaniels playing out) is a guy good enough at his job to warrant some tire kicking for HC again, but seems like a guy happy to be in the best role for him.  Would absolutely love to have an offensive version of Fangio, controlling the offense and not having to sweat a new OC getting a HC job every year.

 

I am generally a McD supporter, but there is a clear downside to a defensive oriented HC.  Your successful OC will get poached after a good year or two. That’s just a fact. You are less likely to lose a DC to a head coaching job. 

 

Let’s just win the SB this year and not worry about stuff like that for now. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

16 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Will 100% get roasted, HOWEVER,  if Brady gets a HC job, I'm 100% bringing in McDaniels (a guy with a major chip on his shoulder) to run the offense.

 

The dudes brilliant, but the team has turned on him.  What he lacks in leadership, he can earn in respect with our guys.  Also, there are plenty of coaches and even player coaches, set up as framework where he wouldnt have the same issues here.  This job would look like a trip to DisneyLand with Josh running the offense.  Also, I see him as a guy recognizing his ceiling and not wanting to leave a coordinator position for HC job, allowing us some continuity.

 

Fangio (situation is how i picture McDaniels playing out) is a guy good enough at his job to warrant some tire kicking for HC again, but seems like a guy happy to be in the best role for him.  Would absolutely love to have an offensive version of Fangio, controlling the offense and not having to sweat a new OC getting a HC job every year.

I'm not gonna roast ya. 

 

But here's the issue I have with McDaniel. He got the job off Shannahan's coat tails. One of the biggest complaints about him is that he cannot and will not adjust or come up with new ideas. Another is he is a horrible play caller. 

 

He really hasn't shown anything in his time in Miami to prove he can create new ideas without Shannahan holding his hand. Hard pass...guy isn't a "genius" at all. He was just in the right place at the right time.

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, BillsSbSoon said:

Damn I’m hoping they give tua another 200 mil extension. If we just win Thursday, I think there’s a good chance that will be Mcnerds last game. If we crush them, I think it would be all but a certainty

This reflects on the GM to be in a position where you may need to fire your HC 11 DAYS INTO THE SEASON LOL

 

I like Mike M, but damn this couldnt have been more clear that he'd lost the locker-room going into the end of last season.  To just roll a guy out like that anyways is brutal decision making. 

 

Its possible GM Grier wanted to move on from the HC, and the owner - Stephen Ross, said NAH I'm not paying a guy ~$16M ($4m x 4, i believe) to no longer be the coach!  If so thats an even worse reflection on the franchise.  Imagine blowing up an entire season over $16M ($$$ he pays one way or another).

 

*Hate to see it* 😆

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

He looks to have completely lost his touch.

I don't think he had any touch to begin with. He had Shanny's system and when people got wise to stop it he was exposed at not knowing how to adjust. I think the dude is a complete fraud 

[billsfan714]

10 minutes ago, Johnny Bravo said:

I LOVE Tyer Sports.  My son and I watch him all the time.  He is absolutely hilarious.  I think his schtick is100% tongue in cheek-like a bad guy wrestler from the 80s.

Totally agree, gets him more views.

[DrDawkinstein]

28 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Will 100% get roasted, HOWEVER,  if Brady gets a HC job, I'm 100% bringing in McDaniels (a guy with a major chip on his shoulder) to run the offense.

 

The dudes brilliant, but the team has turned on him.  What he lacks in leadership, he can earn in respect with our guys.  Also, there are plenty of coaches and even player coaches, set up as framework where he wouldnt have the same issues here.  This job would look like a trip to DisneyLand with Josh running the offense.  Also, I see him as a guy recognizing his ceiling and not wanting to leave a coordinator position for HC job, allowing us some continuity.

 

Fangio (situation is how i picture McDaniels playing out) is a guy good enough at his job to warrant some tire kicking for HC again, but seems like a guy happy to be in the best role for him.  Would absolutely love to have an offensive version of Fangio, controlling the offense and not having to sweat a new OC getting a HC job every year.

 

Quite a take, and I wont roast you.

 

But I will say, I'd rather bring back Daboll as OC than bring in McDaniel. I think after they banned his cheating double-motion thing, his scheme is donzo regardless where he is.

 

He'd probably do best going back to SF where Shanahan can help fill in the gaps and develop him to the next level now that his one trick doesnt work anymore.

[Steptide]

I'm gonna be mad if the bills come out in this run first offense they've been doing. Dolphins secondary is awful. Josh should have 400 yards minimum on Thursday. I get they're probly trying not to show their hand too much, but cmon, this should be an absolute killing 

[Warcodered]

13 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I'm not gonna roast ya. 

 

But here's the issue I have with McDaniel. He got the job off Shannahan's coat tails. One of the biggest complaints about him is that he cannot and will not adjust or come up with new ideas. Another is he is a horrible play caller. 

 

He really hasn't shown anything in his time in Miami to prove he can create new ideas without Shannahan holding his hand. Hard pass...guy isn't a "genius" at all. He was just in the right place at the right time.

Yeah good teams have absolutely clamped down on that Offense in the last season or so.

[Low Positive]

Just now, Warcodered said:

Yeah good teams have absolutely clamped down on that Offense in the last season or so.

Just don't fall for the pre-snap eye candy and it's a pretty simple one-read offense. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

I find the Jets board the most fun to lurk in.  Those guys are pretty funny.  Remind me a lot of us during the drought era.  

[BigPappy]

Some of the comments on the board are pure comedy gold. Had me rolling! 🤣

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

Yeah good teams have absolutely clamped down on that Offense in the last season or so.

 

This is what happened:

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-added-sentence-rulebook-curb-160313266.html

 

In 2024, the NFL clarified its rules on "cheat motion," a tactical pre-snap movement popularized by Miami Dolphins coach Mike McDaniel and other Shanahan-tree coaches

The new rulebook language specifies that a backfield player in motion cannot legally move forward at the snap to gain momentum, explicitly defining and restricting a tactic that was previously in a grey area. 

 

The clarified "cheat motion" rule

The new language was added to Rule 7, Section 4, Article 2 of the official rulebook to state: "Any eligible backfield player who changes his stance does not have to come to a complete stop prior to the snap, as long as his actions are not abrupt (false start) or forward (illegal motion)"

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

Just don't fall for the pre-snap eye candy and it's a pretty simple one-read offense. 

The biggest problem with their offense is there is no flow on the reads. The first read may be on the left side of the offense in the intermediate area. Second read is way back to the right and long. Third read over the middle short 

 

There's no flow of natural progression in the reads. That's Tuas actual issue. It's not that he can't go to a second read it's that the reads are all over the place and he's trying to process. Kurt Warner did an awesome breakdown of this not long ago. 

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

A “Finheaven” would suggest that the dolphin is actually dead.

 

[Chicharito]

Please don’t fire Mcvape🤞🏼. While we are at it keep the coach and give Tua another extension. Somewhere in the 400 million range.

[ColoradoBills]

5 hours ago, mannc said:

The fins would be smart to keep McDaniels through the whole season, bottom out, then start over with a new QB and HC…problem is, they’ve invested heavily in Tua and McDaniels…

 

Tua could be a post June 1st cut.  It would hurt the same as Denver.

 

As to Bills fans saying they would want McDaniel's as an OC, I say NO.

I would lose all faith in Beane and McDermott if that happened.

I don't want that guy anywhere near Josh Allen and the O.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Will 100% get roasted, HOWEVER,  if Brady gets a HC job, I'm 100% bringing in McDaniels (a guy with a major chip on his shoulder) to run the offense.

 

The dudes brilliant, but the team has turned on him.  What he lacks in leadership, he can earn in respect with our guys.  Also, there are plenty of coaches and even player coaches, set up as framework where he wouldnt have the same issues here.  This job would look like a trip to DisneyLand with Josh running the offense.  Also, I see him as a guy recognizing his ceiling and not wanting to leave a coordinator position for HC job, allowing us some continuity.

 

Fangio (situation is how i picture McDaniels playing out) is a guy good enough at his job to warrant some tire kicking for HC again, but seems like a guy happy to be in the best role for him.  Would absolutely love to have an offensive version of Fangio, controlling the offense and not having to sweat a new OC getting a HC job every year.

I feel like that’s a good OC hire especially since Josh knows what he likes already and can provide a lot of input..  really wouldn’t hate that at all tbh 

 

I feel like the McDaniel system kinda became a crutch for tua…it was so good at scheming guys open against bad/mediocre defenses for awhile that he never really developed at qb from the guy we saw years ago..the reads just aren’t so easy in that offense when things are going wrong so it just amplifies one of his shortcomings.  that kinda stuff wouldn’t really apply to Josh at all 

28 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

This is what happened:

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-added-sentence-rulebook-curb-160313266.html

 

In 2024, the NFL clarified its rules on "cheat motion," a tactical pre-snap movement popularized by Miami Dolphins coach Mike McDaniel and other Shanahan-tree coaches

The new rulebook language specifies that a backfield player in motion cannot legally move forward at the snap to gain momentum, explicitly defining and restricting a tactic that was previously in a grey area. 

 

The clarified "cheat motion" rule

The new language was added to Rule 7, Section 4, Article 2 of the official rulebook to state: "Any eligible backfield player who changes his stance does not have to come to a complete stop prior to the snap, as long as his actions are not abrupt (false start) or forward (illegal motion)"

Wow literally did not notice this happened 😂

Edited September 15 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[DrDawkinstein]

8 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I feel like that’s a good OC hire especially since Josh knows what he likes already and can provide a lot of input..  really wouldn’t hate that at all tbh 

 

I feel like the McDaniel system kinda became a crutch for tua…it was so good at scheming guys open against bad/mediocre defenses for awhile that he never really developed at qb from the guy we saw years ago..the reads just aren’t so easy in that offense when things are going wrong so it just amplifies one of his shortcomings.  that kinda stuff wouldn’t really apply to Josh at all 

Wow literally did not notice this happened 😂

 

Yeah, the league effed him bigly

 

And Im ok with that

[SoTier]

5 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Grier and Mcdaniel really botched the rebuild…as much of an a** as Flores was he had those guys competing with a ton of picks/cap space to spend still.  I think they woulda been a playoff team with fitz if they let Flores finish off the rebuild tbh then they coulda looked for their next qb 

 

i feel like in that McDaniel/shanahan system run by tua you either scheme a receiver wide open based on putting defenders in conflict or tua is forced to hold the ball and couldn’t find prime Jerry rice if he was out there lol. It doesn’t make a lot of sense to me they invested so heavily in wr and never got the oline right 

 

then they went all in on pass rushers and pretty much ignored LBers that could cover and actually contain Josh runnin up the middle 

 

They spent so much, cap-wise and draft-wise on WRs that they haven't been able to build been able to improve their OL or their defense.    That's the same thing the Bengals did,  and they've been wasting Joe Burrow's prime because they can't make the playoffs even when Burrow can stay relatively healthy because their defense is so bad. 

 

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

I'm gonna be mad if the bills come out in this run first offense they've been doing. Dolphins secondary is awful. Josh should have 400 yards minimum on Thursday. I get they're probly trying not to show their hand too much, but cmon, this should be an absolute killing 

 

I'm sorry you drafted Josh on your fantasy team.

[teef]

4 hours ago, Utah John said:

Last week on FB a Dolphins fan asked me to have the Bills beat the fish by a lopsided score, in order to get McDaniel fired.  I said I'd do my best.  But I really think the Bills are likely not to run up the score as long as they're sure they're going to win.  They had a four score lead in the fourth quarter yesterday, and then backed off. They could probably have scored 45 or more if they'd needed or wanted to, but why embarrass the Jets any more than Strawberry Fields already embarrassed them?  Aaron Glenn will have that team a lot better in a year or two.  Can't say the same thing about the fish.  They've collapsed and are now in the need-QB club, where coaches and GMs go to get fired.

if they can start resting guys in the 3rd again this week...i'll be thrilled.