How much better is the Ravens team on paper than the Bills?

[Lost]

7 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

idk their OL besides Stanley but I'd take our OL as a unit and their DL got no pressure,  I'd take ours as a unit. 

I'd also take our WR corps as a unit. Flowers is a stud but Keon Shakir would start for them. 

 

The TE groups I'd say is a tie, Andrew's is getting up in age 

 

I'd give them a slight edge at CB and a big edge at S 

 

What about LB? 

[Mat68]

Spoiler they are not.  Buffalo gave up 230 on the ground. Baltimore gave up 390 through the air.  Baltimores uniform makes you think they are a good defense.  Because they have been built on defense for decades.  Similar to Pittsburgh.  I have never seen so many media members talk about how bad the Bills defense was.  How they could not make a stop yet the Raven gave up more points and yards…

[djp14150]

8 hours ago, Lost said:

The Bills are now a team like the Chiefs that have that Championship mentality and can just will themselves to victory in games that sometimes they should have no business winning.   Someone had an interesting comment in the gameday thread that I think would be interesting to dive into a little further.  

 

The comment was that if the Ravens and Bills combined rosters, there would only be like 2 or 3 Bills starters.

 

Hell, some people would make the case that even Allen wouldn't start over Lamar.   

 

 

So who do you think on the Bills roster would get a spot over their Raven's counterpart on the depth chart?

 

 

For me it's Josh Allen, Spencer Brown, Ed Oliver.  Maybe Benford and maybe Shakir or Coleman over Bateman.   That's probably it.

Last time I checked…paper burns under a magnifying glass

[JerseyBills]

4 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

What about LB? 

forgot about that , I guess Bal . 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

8 hours ago, Lost said:

The Bills are now a team like the Chiefs that have that Championship mentality and can just will themselves to victory in games that sometimes they should have no business winning.   Someone had an interesting comment in the gameday thread that I think would be interesting to dive into a little further.  

 

The comment was that if the Ravens and Bills combined rosters, there would only be like 2 or 3 Bills starters.

 

Hell, some people would make the case that even Allen wouldn't start over Lamar.   

 

 

So who do you think on the Bills roster would get a spot over their Raven's counterpart on the depth chart?

 

 

For me it's Josh Allen, Spencer Brown, Ed Oliver.  Maybe Benford and maybe Shakir or Coleman over Bateman.   That's probably it.

I feel as the year progresses, the talent gap between the 2 teams will close dramatically. Guys like Keon Coleman, Kincaid, and Shakir will all cement themselves as solid starters. One of these defensive rookies is going to break, but I’m not sure which. 

[YattaOkasan]

Besides what’s been mentioned I’m taking Milano over Simpson.  Definitely Torrence over faalele and maybe even Edward’s. Did y’all miss where ed blew up their entire iOL. This is really much closer than peeps are giving credit (besides Safety and MLB the difference is pretty small). 

[twoandfourteen]

8 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

You can prefer Josh, but most serious analysts are going to call that a push. You have MVP QBs on both sides.

Josh Allen can do everything Lamar Jackson can do. 

 

Lamar Jackson cannot do everything Josh Allen can do. 

[GASabresIUFan]

2 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Forget the heroics after the fumble and I’m not diminishing Josh, Cook, Palmer and Coleman, they were awesome, how did you feel about our ability to stop the Ravens for the first 31/2 quarters. You want to depend on  Mark Andrews dropping an easy 2pt. completion or  Henry fumbling to win a big game? When a team runs at will against a defense that knows what’s coming and gets up 40 to 25 with 4 minutes left, you have to be concerned about your defense. Not saying Josh can’t pull miracles out of his rear end, he’s that great but these kinds of games(the last regular season Ravens game and last night’s contest) is not a formula going forward  for success. 

I agree that the defense needs work.  We knew that last year and we knew that coming into the season.  However, Henry is a load for any team even a stellar defense.  I firmly believe that the defense we see the Bills play will evolve (positively) over the course of season as Bishop gets more experience, Hoecht becomes part of the team and hopefully Babich commits to using Williams in more base sets as team try to run on us.  By the time (and if) we see Baltimore in the playoffs, I think we'll do a much much better job containing the run.

 

Don't forget we just saw the 2nd best offense in the NFL in the first game of the season.  

Edited September 9 by GASabresIUFan

[BullBuchanan]

3 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

Josh Allen can do everything Lamar Jackson can do. 

 

Lamar Jackson cannot do everything Josh Allen can do. 

Lamar holds records that Josh does not, and he's a two time MVP. No one is trying to take anything away from Josh, but there's more than one great player in the league.

[Billzgobowlin]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

Lamar holds records that Josh does not, and he's a two time MVP. No one is trying to take anything away from Josh, but there's more than one great player in the league.

The interesting thing is Lamar didn't deserve the MVP when he got it, you could make the argument he should have got it last year but Allen is truly the most valuable player to his team especially last year.  Lamar has the running ability but as far as passing I would be hard pressed to find a passer of Allen's ability.  The last 7 minutes of that Ravens game was surgical.

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

 hopefully Babich commits to using Williams in more base sets as team try to run on us. 

 

The Bills defended the run much better when Williams was out. I know people love the idea of him because he is big and can hit but the next time he plays his right gap in the run game will be the first....

[BillsMontreal]

6 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

Josh Allen can do everything Lamar Jackson can do. 

 

Lamar Jackson cannot do everything Josh Allen can do. 

Right on.  We can compare each position, but at the end, Allen is the X factor. There's no math with the way he plays. Sometimes, i even take it for grant.

[BillsFanForever19]

17 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

OL Dawkins, Edwards, Torrence and Brown are better than Stanely, Voorhees, Faale and Rosengarten

 

Skill  Coleman over Bateman

 

QB Allen

 

DL Oliver

 

LB Milano

 

DB Benford

 

I get arguably 9 of 22.

 

I feel like fans on this board talk about Matt Milano as if he didn't essentially lose two straight seasons to injuries and is still an All Pro.

 

The Matt Milano of 2022? Sure. But the Matt Milano that returned last season and the guy we saw last night looks like half the player (or less) than he was. 

 

The Ravens also utilize a 3-4. So Milano absolutely isn't a fit there. Unless they want to utilize him as a Middle Linebacker. And he's definitively not a better MLB than Roquan Smith and probably not better than Trenton Simpson, at this point.

Edited September 9 by BillsFanForever19

[Spiderweb]

17 hours ago, ClemsonBills said:

Ed and Benford are probably it on defense. But I can see a few of our Oline guys starting over there. 

Milano as well. I believe he is ramping up to get to his former self. 

[eball]

I’m getting a little tired of this narrative.  The Bills’ OL is better.  The Ravens’ C is excellent but the other four spots go to Buffalo.  The TEs are a wash.  Flowers starts, and after that it’s a wash or Buffalo is better.  The two starting RBs are Henry and Cook.  Defensively it’s slightly more slanted towards Baltimore — the safeties, one CB, one LB, and two DL.  But these rosters are not as lopsided as many of you seem to believe.

 

[GunnerBill]

33 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

The Ravens also utilize a 3-4. So Milano absolutely isn't a fit there. Unless they want to utilize him as a Middle Linebacker. And he's definitively not a better MLB than Roquan Smith and probably not better than Trenton Simpson, at this point.

 

Last night wasn't a Matt Milano type game even when he was at his peak, in fairness. I think absolutely he isn't close to Smith at this point. Simpson is a different type of linebacker and after some struggles earlier last season he does seem on the upswing. Where Matt is on the downslope is something to view in games other than Sunday night IMO. 

[Lost]

1 hour ago, eball said:

I’m getting a little tired of this narrative.  The Bills’ OL is better.  The Ravens’ C is excellent but the other four spots go to Buffalo.  The TEs are a wash.  Flowers starts, and after that it’s a wash or Buffalo is better.  The two starting RBs are Henry and Cook.  Defensively it’s slightly more slanted towards Baltimore — the safeties, one CB, one LB, and two DL.  But these rosters are not as lopsided as many of you seem to believe.

 

 

I think the difference in the quality of safeties really what exacerbates that feeling that the Baltimore D as a whole is that much better.   And Henry on their offense does the Same thing.   Cook had as many TDs as Henry last year but teams generally don't gameplan around Cook like they do Henry.   

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I feel like fans on this board talk about Matt Milano as if he didn't essentially lose two straight seasons to injuries and is still an All Pro.

 

The Matt Milano of 2022? Sure. But the Matt Milano that returned last season and the guy we saw last night looks like half the player (or less) than he was. 

 

The Ravens also utilize a 3-4. So Milano absolutely isn't a fit there. Unless they want to utilize him as a Middle Linebacker. And he's definitively not a better MLB than Roquan Smith and probably not better than Trenton Simpson, at this point.

You went to far with this one.

[YattaOkasan]

33 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

I think the difference in the quality of safeties really what exacerbates that feeling that the Baltimore D as a whole is that much better.   And Henry on their offense does the Same thing.   Cook had as many TDs as Henry last year but teams generally don't gameplan around Cook like they do Henry.   

Teams definitely game plan around cook since the cowboy games two years ago.  Also a sorta silly comment.  Thats like saying teams dont game plan around the bills running game which is one of the best in the league.  You absolutely game plan around how yorue gonna defend cook in the run game (probably commit an extra defender for him vs Johnson, Davis).  Its not like hes some dude who gets a touch everyone once in a while.

[Don Otreply]

All of this talk is peculiar in that our recent record iirc is that 3 out of the last four times we played them have been wins for the Bills. The Ravens are a top shelf team no doubt, but the recent record says the Bills in the end have had their way as of late, It is a Great rivalry and I enjoy watching the games because of the quality of opposition, it’s nerve racking to say the least, just a thought, carry on,