I don't EVER want to hear ANYONE say that Lamar is better than Josh Allen EVER AGAIN!!

[Einstein]

I’ll let the rest of TBD posters praise Lamar. He is genuinely great.

 

But Allen is the better overall player and always will be.

 

Once Lamar loses his speed, it’s going to become much more difficult for him. What makes him a prolific passer (rather than just a very good passer) is the threat of him taking off around the edge. It is such an incredible advantage. DE’s always have to maintain contain and DT’s can’t over-pursue, and it’s very hard to commit to man because as soon  as you turn around he runs.

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

Allen > Jackson

Kirk > Picard

[Pecker]

I think this is the perfect game to discuss Allen v Jackson. Because Jackson wasn’t bad at all, he was good, vintage Lamar.  And it was abundantly clear that Allen (and Mahomes) are a tier above him.

 

The gameplan was - stop Henry.  Lamar was an afterthought.

 

the passes he completed - wide open receivers running for huge gains after the fact.  
 

the best plays he made were as a runner.

 

jackson is still a wait-til-he’s-open passer.  
 

Allen meanwhile was the whole team.  The only player to game plan against and worry about.  
 

Allen has grown into a giant drew brees who runs like a horse.

 

Allen is now one of the best pure passing QBs to ever play AND one of the best mobile QBs to ever play.  

 

Allen (and Mahomes) are the only dudes in the top tier. 

[JerseyBills]

If i was a Ravens fan , I'd be thrilled w Lamar , but I agree , Josh is the best QB walking this earth, Lamar is phenomenal though

[skibum]

You can't really say one is better than the other, either way. They are both equally amazing, and I don't think it's fair to blame Lamar for the Ravens' failures. He did have that bonehead fumble in the snow last year, but other than that he has been phenomenal vs. Buffalo. 

[Captain Hindsight]

12 hours ago, zevo said:

punting the ball was incredibly dumb by Harbaugh

Harbaugh always seems to get a pass, but dude has had top defenses and offenses and two franchise QBs back to back. He’s had two MVP campaigns from Lamar and now Derek Henry. He’s has coached in 1 AFC title game since 2012 and has 13-11 record in the playoff with all of that. He’s also apparently one of the most conservative coaches in the league. As soon as they lined up to punt instead of asking their 2x MVP to get 3 yards, I knew they’d lost 

[TheBrownBear]

Lamar is awesome. Josh being a HOF talent doesn't mean we should find reasons to bash Lamar. Lamar and Josh are the top 2 in the league at this point and I pretty much consider them equals (obviously, I prefer Josh). Kudos to both guys as they have continually shut up their early detractors/doubters.

[Ghost_002!]

2 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

They would have tried to make him a pocket passer from the get go. He wasn't a pocket passer and really still isn't but he improved quite a bit last season.  The Pats would have already kicked him to the curb. Lamar went to the perfect situation with Greg Roman and a team willing to completely build around his strengths while also having a nasty defense.

 

 

This whole statement is not true, for one BB has already said he messed up by not taken Jackson and they never tried to change Cam Newton when he played for the Pats. He was allowed to run, and run often. The only thing that would of probably change was his presence in the pocket would of gotten better sooner since he had Brady there to watch. 

[Madmax09]

I definitely agree. I like Lamar Jackson, but Josh Allen works with way less in his offense than Lamar does. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

23 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Harbaugh always seems to get a pass, but dude has had top defenses and offenses and two franchise QBs back to back. He’s had two MVP campaigns from Lamar and now Derek Henry. He’s has coached in 1 AFC title game since 2012 and has 13-11 record in the playoff with all of that. He’s also apparently one of the most conservative coaches in the league. As soon as they lined up to punt instead of asking their 2x MVP to get 3 yards, I knew they’d lost 

Yeah I agree. The game has passed him and Tomlin by.  Zac Taylor made same bad decisions against Browns too, so it is just not an age thing. 

[PromoTheRobot]

12 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Lamar was fantastic tonight.

Last year was his best year as a pro by far, and to me it looks like he's continuing to get better.

If he keeps that up, I will include him in the conversation with Allen and Mahomes.

 

Lamar didn't lose them that game. He did his job well. Just like 13 seconds wasn't a Josh loss. Other people let them down.

Edited September 8 by PromoTheRobot

[BillsFan130]

12 hours ago, Special K said:

 

Or, take Henry off the Ravens, and Lamar would look average at best.

He's won multiple MVPs without Derrick Henry

[Special K]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

He's won multiple MVPs without Derrick Henry

 

Actually, he was handed 1 MVP by an agenda-driven media when he was the "shiny new toy" nobody had seen before, then his 2nd MVP was two years ago when he did have Henry....not to mention the fact that Josh Allen should've won MVP that year but the media made up the excuse that Josh had "too many turnovers", so last year, when Josh only threw 6 INT's, they had no excuse to steal another MVP from him.

[Billsfan1972]

Very simply as Allen fans we think he is better and you can't convince me otherwise.

 

Most important is that come the end of the year if they are in the MVP running, it won't be like last year's Lamar Fanboys who all they did was point at the Ravens beating the Bills as the definitive reason Lamar should have won the award.

 

I hope no Bills fan points at this game as proof positive and the reason Allen should win the award (if it come down to them two again).  

[Peace Frog]

13 hours ago, Special K said:

Winners come up big in clutch situations, whereas losers come up small in clutch situations.

 

Lamar might be a good player, but when the chips are down, he always fails in the clutch. The media always coddles Lamar, but if you have eyes you can easily see who is the better player, who is the better QB, who is the MVP..........and that is Josh Freakin' Allen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Go Bills!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Captain Hindsight]

11 hours ago, MJS said:

I still think Lamar isn't an elite passer of the football. I'd take Josh Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, or even Herbert over him in a situation where you are down multiple scores and need to pass yourself out of it. Jackson is an elite QB, but he doesn't have the elite passing ability. Not that he is bad. He isn't. He's a good passser. He just isn't at the level of those other guys. As a total package, he is really special, though.

Pretty much how I feel about Jalen Hurts. Elite talent, good passer 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Pretty much how I feel about Jalen Hurts. Elite talent, good passer 

I don't think Hurts is even elite, personally. I have him in the "very good" category.

[Sojourner]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

I don't think Hurts is even elite, personally. I have him in the "very good" category.

I can see that. 
 

I bump him into borderline elite for his playoff performances personally 

[Johnny Bravo]

14 hours ago, BeastMaster said:

To those that keep saying how great LJ is...why has he made such a big leap since Henry?

 

Let's see how he fares after that guy is done because I tend to believe Henry makes it all work, and that Lamar isn't close to the guy people claim he is without Derrick Henry 

Lamar won two MVPs before Henry was even on the Ravens.  Lamar is a once in a generation talent at QB...unfortunately for him, it is Josh's generation too.

13 hours ago, billsgpr88 said:

One thing that would bother me, just a bit, if I were a Ravens fan would be Jackson's lack of presence as a leader on the sideline. Too many times it seems he's sitting there, almost resigned to take the loss when the game is tight. I know it's a superficial observation, but he's also the clear leader of the entire franchise and everyone's looking to him and Harbaugh in the critical moments of every game.

 

Josh is sitting there too in those situations.  The ability to remain stoic when the chips are down is a great quality in a leader. 

[Johnny Bravo]

My appreciation for Lamar has really grown over the past few seasons.  He is an amazing QB and the best compliment I can give him is that I was literally praying that the Ravens would punt at the end.  In addition, he is classy.  The way he handled himself after this loss and the playoff loss last year is exactly the way Josh reacts in the same situations-congratulatory to the other QB, owning the defeat himself and taking blame for teammates who let him down.

 

Josh is the best QB in the league.  I would take him over anyone who has even played the position.  Lamar is great too.