Parsons traded to Green Bay, given $188 million contract

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, BillsShredder83 said:

In 2027?  Maybe?  We've seen two games of Arch.... so NFL franchises are making 2025 decisions about 2027, based on high school recruits LOL

 

Not to mention if Arch is the type of NFL prospect (2 seasons away) we think he will be, whos moving out of that #1 overall spot?  Nobody!!!  

 

This is what it comes down to. There is no trading up to #1 for Arch.

[BarleyNY]

40 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

It would have probably meant not extending 2 or 3 of Cook, Bernard, Shakir, Rousseau or Benford (and those in extended players likely walking at FA). It would also have meant no Hairston if we traded before the draft. So we’d be looking at Tre White/Rasul Douglas quality CB2 for the foreseeable future (i.e. a liability). How well did our pass rush do vs the Chiefs when Mahomes could just pass it quickly to whoever Elam was “covering”.
 

I think a deal for someone like Parsons only makes sense if you are in a 2 year “all in” window. Where you are pushing your chips in like the Rams did. Our roster is not close to good enough to make an “all in” move right now.

 

First, why isn’t our roster good enough to make a big move like this? I’d say it was a lack of elite, difference makers at premium positions - outside of Allen, obviously. My fix is to find some. Parsons certainly qualifies. Those elite players at premium positions will cost you 2 or 3 good players. Teams have got to find reasonable replacements in the draft, FA and via trade. This season the Bills chose to play things safe and keep the band together rather than take some risk and chase upside overall. I just don’t see how the current tack works out for us in January. 

[uticaclub]

33 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Im ok with not making the move for Parsons but you’re going to have to explain this statement to me.   
 

Best QB in the NFL (argue w a wall)

Elite OL

Above Average RB Room

Average TE Room with potential 

We’ll see what the WR Room is

Same for DL, but tons of investment

Top Tier Pair of LB’s

Top Tier Slot Corner

Top 12ish CB1 and a RD1 Pick at CB2

We’ll see about S

How is that “not close to good enough” for a team that was just in the AFC Championship Game and lost by a ball placement and/or dropped pass?

If Kincaid doesn't develop the TEs are below average.

 

You have ?s for WR, DL & S

 

Who are our top-tier LBs? Benard & Milano? They are good not great at this point in their respective careers.

 

Elam was RD1 CB2, how did that work out?

 

For a “championship caliber” team that's a lot of holes, especially year 8 of the process.

[DapperCam]

41 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Im ok with not making the move for Parsons but you’re going to have to explain this statement to me.   
 

Best QB in the NFL (argue w a wall)

Elite OL

Above Average RB Room

Average TE Room with potential 

We’ll see what the WR Room is

Same for DL, but tons of investment

Top Tier Pair of LB’s

Top Tier Slot Corner

Top 12ish CB1 and a RD1 Pick at CB2

We’ll see about S

How is that “not close to good enough” for a team that was just in the AFC Championship Game and lost by a ball placement and/or dropped pass?

Probably bottom-5 in the NFL in terms of pass catchers. Probably the worst starting safety pair in the league. Milano is likely not a top tier starting LBer anymore. He’s missed two consecutive seasons. Taron Johnson had a mediocre season last year, we’ll see if it was a fluke due to injury or a new normal for him. CB2 is a question mark even with a low first round pick (were you penciling in Elam as a long term good starter when he was a rookie?). Very middle of the road DL, 18th in sacks last year (which is why we brought in 3 free agents there).

 

We have 2 position groups that are top 5 in the NFL - OL (arguable) and QB. Our RB group is top 10 in the NFL. Every other group is 15th or lower. We had two pro bowlers last year and one 2nd team all pro.

 

We made it to the AFCCG because Allen is the best QB in the league.

[Sierra Foothills]

2 hours ago, Low Positive said:

We're going to end up with more pages on this trade than the Packers and Cowboys boards.

 

But fewer pages than the Jordan Phillips (17 pages) and Jordan Poyer (20 pages) topics  that were fueled by outraged Bills fans bearing pitchforks..

[Low Positive]

There are 32 teams in the NFL. 30 of them were not involved in this trade. For some reason, this thread is talking about this like there are only 3 teams in the league but the Bills were not alone in not doing this. If we take out the other three teams in the NFC East, 27 teams either couldn't or wouldn't make this deal because anyone could have beaten the compensation that GB sent back to Dallas just by adding a 3rd. 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Way to go out on a limb. 

 

It's too much risk for me for a non-QB. I'm worried about injury mostly

[Low Positive]

5 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

But fewer pages than the Jordan Phillips (17 pages) and Jordan Poyer (20 pages) topics  that were fueled by outraged Bills fans bearing pitchforks..

We didn't get to see any semblance of what this team will look like in the preseason, so we have no idea what we'll see in a little over a week. Couple that with the fact that a good portion of Bills Mafia has been waiting for the team to return to its natural state since the team got good in 2020, and you get rampant negativity. 

[Logic]

49 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

No it’s not.  If I run a business, and we are not making a profit.  And one of my employees who thinks they are an amazing asset wants a lot more money to work for me. But we are not getting it done w them. And they are a bit too much about themselves instead of the team. Why would I want to pay that same person more money?

 

Parsons IS an amazing asset.

This "he can't stop the run" thing is silly. You're right, he can't. I remember the Bills game where they ran right at him.

You're not paying him to stop the run. You're paying him to bring down the opposing quarterback.

I'd bet dollars to donuts that the Cowboys defense will be better against the run this year. .....And much worse at bringing down the opposing quarterback.

If it's me, and my defense stinks but I have one or two really good defenders, I'm retaining those guys and then building around them. Swapping out the pieces that aren't so good. Upgrading over the players that need to be upgraded over. What I'm NOT doing is saying "meh, defense stinks anyway, might as well get rid of our one blue chip defensive player".

To each their own. I think the "highest paid non-QB" top 10 players list speaks for itself. Get a quarterback, protect that quarterback and give him a weapon, bring down the opposing quarterback. Those are the priorities.

Stopping the run on 1st and 2nd down is lovely. But if it's 3rd and 8 and the QB has all day to throw because you shipped away a blue chip EDGE, what good did the run stopping do ya?

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said:

"I'd rather have Peyton Manning at 7years & $98m"

 

I agree with the sentiment, but how many biga$$ DL contracts have been handed out since then?  That market is long and gone, even in a year... which is why the $47m is just another regular contract

 

 Chris Jones is still the highest paid DT in the league… by a lot.

 

 

Edited August 29 by Einstein

[RoscoeParrish]

16 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

 Chris Jones is still the highest paid DT in the league… by a lot.

 

 

When was the last time he hit FA?

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

18 hours ago, SCBills said:

At least he didn’t come to the AFC..

 

Id probably break my phone if the Ravens or Chiefs got him. 

Yeah because he sure made a difference when the Bills played the Cowboys. A demon pass rusher, but just useless against the run. I would rather have a well-rounded elite player like TJ Watt or dare I say Joey Bosa (the league better take notice.) 

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 hours ago, Low Positive said:

We're going to end up with more pages on this trade than the Packers and Cowboys boards.

Things like that happen pretty often here. Typically, during prime time games I like to be on the boards of whoever is playing. Kinda monitor what their fans think in real time. 

 

Last year more often then not the thread here would have more pages than the sites for the teams actually playing. Don't know if that's a good thing (we are active! Yay!) or a bad thing (there's nothing better to do, we have no lives)....but it's A thing lol

[Ethan in Cleveland]

16 hours ago, NewEra said:

Oh there you are.  Is McD a loser too?

Get back to us in January 

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, uticaclub said:

If Kincaid doesn't develop the TEs are below average.

 

You have ?s for WR, DL & S

 

Who are our top-tier LBs? Benard & Milano? They are good not great at this point in their respective careers.

 

Elam was RD1 CB2, how did that work out?

 

For a “championship caliber” team that's a lot of holes, especially year 8 of the process.

Give me 16 better backup TEs better than Knox, if you can then I might believe our TEs are below average. 

39 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

When was the last time he hit FA?

He was set to hit it last offseason but the Chiefs re-signed him before hit the market. 

[uticaclub]

10 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Give me 16 better backup TEs better than Knox, if you can then I might believe our TEs are below average. 

He was set to hit it last offseason but the Chiefs re-signed him before hit the market. 

I said “if Kincaid doesn’t develop.”

 

I think Knox will see more snaps at TE than Kincaid over the course of year & Knox is about a mid-tier TE. 

 

 

Edited August 29 by uticaclub

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, uticaclub said:

If Kincaid doesn't develop the TEs are below average.

 

You have ?s for WR, DL & S

 

Who are our top-tier LBs? Benard & Milano? They are good not great at this point in their respective careers.

 

Elam was RD1 CB2, how did that work out?

 

For a “championship caliber” team that's a lot of holes, especially year 8 of the process.

Not playing this game with “Elam busted so will Hairston”.   Fact is we have a Top 12 CB1 and a RD1 CB just drafted.  Theres not much more you can ask of from your team at Corner than that. 
 

No, if Kincaid doesn’t develop, they are average.  Knox himself is an average TE.  Kincaid has shown LaPorta/McBride flashes, but yes.. its potential.  The floor is an average room. 
 

The WR’s are question marks, sure. I like this group, but I get why people need to see it to believe it.  Allen went off last year and this years WR room has way more of a ceiling than last years. 
 

The DL is full of potential that needs to be realized.  It’s not a bad group unless it proves to be one.  Some outlets have us with a Top 5 DL in the league.. I won’t go that far, as it’s all potential, but like I said.. we’ll see. 
 

“What if” What if everyone gets hurt?  What if this and that.. it is what it is.  But on paper, Bernard/Milano could be an elite duo.  
 

Safety, ok, whatever.  It’s a solid guy in Rapp and then potential in Bishop.  
 

You might be the only person on the planet who would think the Bills trading for Parsons wouldn’t make us Super Bowl favorites. 
 

Thats not a team too far away to pull the trigger.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Trade 2 firsts, Oliver and a bag of footballs for a premier sack manufacturer? Who's not signing up for that?

 

[uticaclub]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Not playing this game with “Elam busted so will Hairston”.   Fact is we have a Top 12 CB1 and a RD1 CB just drafted.  Theres not much more you can ask of from your team at Corner than that. 
 

No, if Kincaid doesn’t develop, they are average.  Knox himself is an average TE.  Kincaid has shown LaPorta/McBride flashes, but yes.. its potential.  The floor is an average room. 
 

The WR’s are question marks, sure. I like this group, but I get why people need to see it to believe it.  Allen went off last year and this years WR room has way more of a ceiling than last years. 
 

The DL is full of potential that needs to be realized.  It’s not a bad group unless it proves to be one.  Some outlets have us with a Top 5 DL in the league.. I won’t go that far, as it’s all potential, but like I said.. we’ll see. 
 

“What if” What if everyone gets hurt?  What if this and that.. it is what it is.  But on paper, Bernard/Milano could be an elite duo.  
 

Safety, ok, whatever.  It’s a solid guy in Rapp and then potential in Bishop.  
 

You might be the only person on the planet who would think the Bills trading for Parsons wouldn’t make us Super Bowl favorites. 
 

Thats not a team too far away to pull the trigger.  

When did I say we should have traded for Parsons? You assessed the team with lots of “could” & “potential” , I assessed the team based on prior results. Let’s hope for development! Either way this team needs more elite talent

[Virgil]

Having a day to sit on this, here's where I'm at.  Cap wise, I don't think we could have made this work at all.  To trade Groot or Oliver would be a big cap hit, plus having to pay Parsons.

 

In a magical world where that doesn't matter, for me it comes down to.  Would you rather have Parsons or Oliver, Groot, and our next two first round picks.  That's a tough call for me and I would say it's a fairly even wash.  

 

The deciding factor to me is culture fit, which I'm not so sure Parsons would be here.  It's hard to say that for sure, and him being a top talent on defense at his age is tough to overlook.  But in the big picture, I just don't see how Parsons would have fit in with our culture, salary cap, and having a "pay my top money" guy.  Besides Josh, who didn't even ask for that, we expect everyone to have a team mentality.

 

Would I love to have Parsons on the team?  Of course.  Just don't see how it would fit