Low Positive Posted August 29 Posted August 29 5 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: Totally disagree and think those are two way different scenarios. The Mets needed an elite hitter in the lineup. Teams in MLB rarely win championships without at least 1 elite hitter, many of them have 2. Soto hasn't had a typical Soto season but it's only year 1. There's also no salary cap in baseball so if you have an owner like Cohen who is willing to spend whatever, signing Soto doesn't come at the expense of sacrificing other parts of the team. Parsons has some weaknesses such as being able to be run at. Soto as an offensive player really doesn't have a weakness like that. I think if your D is solid against the run overall he does offer a top quality rusher but it's different than what you can do with Soto. You can walk him but that's still putting a baserunner on for good hitters behind him. Also Soto's still pretty young in baseball years and his skill set with a generational eye at the plate suggests he'll age well. With inflation and and higher salaries, that could also even not turn out to look like an overpay just like Bryce Harper's deal doesn't look like one anymore, in fact that looks like a really good deal now. Just totally different IMO. Exactly. In an upcapped league with a rich owner, there is no such thing as opportunity cost. Quote
julian Posted August 29 Posted August 29 41 minutes ago, Walking Tall said: If Cam Ward works out, the Titans won’t be drafting #1. Yeah that’s a good point Quote
QLBillsFan Posted August 29 Posted August 29 2 hours ago, Fan boy '92 said: Here me now believe me later, Micah Parsons will never win a super bowl. Agree 💯.. hoping it’s Bills Pack in SB so our OL can run him over like the waif he was the last time Bills freight trained over him. Great pass rusher with incredible speed but can be neutralized unlike Garrett or Watt. Thats a lot of $$$$ for a one dimensional player. 1 1 1 Quote
QLBillsFan Posted August 29 Posted August 29 1 hour ago, Virgil said: In another reality, I'm curious how the Cowboys would have reacted to a trade package involving Kincaid, Cook, and one of our defensive lineman. Good scenario that’s 2 above average skill position players. I think Cook and Rousseau plus a 1 get it done. That’s about $34m off Bills books but still might not be affordable. And I would not want the Bills to make that deal. Quote
JerseyBills Posted August 29 Posted August 29 1 hour ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: Totally disagree and think those are two way different scenarios. The Mets needed an elite hitter in the lineup. Teams in MLB rarely win championships without at least 1 elite hitter, many of them have 2. Soto hasn't had a typical Soto season but it's only year 1. There's also no salary cap in baseball so if you have an owner like Cohen who is willing to spend whatever, signing Soto doesn't come at the expense of sacrificing other parts of the team. Parsons has some weaknesses such as being able to be run at. Soto as an offensive player really doesn't have a weakness like that. I think if your D is solid against the run overall he does offer a top quality rusher but it's different than what you can do with Soto. You can walk him but that's still putting a baserunner on for good hitters behind him. Also Soto's still pretty young in baseball years and his skill set with a generational eye at the plate suggests he'll age well. With inflation and and higher salaries, that could also even not turn out to look like an overpay just like Bryce Harper's deal doesn't look like one anymore, in fact that looks like a really good deal now. Just totally different IMO. I mean of course it's totally different, Soto was a FA being the biggest Quote
rusty shackleford Posted August 29 Posted August 29 Longer term roster management is the reason I’m glad Bean wasn’t all in on this trade. Two 1st rounds and a pretty good defensive linemen would be completely reasonable to give up for Parsons. The problem is managing the rest of the roster against that cap hit along side our franchise QB and the core other players were committed to. It would be a very win it this year move (which might have worked out) but could be big a handcuff for the next 5-6 years of prime Josh Allen. Quote
TBBills Fan Posted August 29 Posted August 29 One piece of good news in this trade, Jerrah is never gonna see another Superbowl in his lifetime Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted August 29 Posted August 29 5 hours ago, Gunvald's Husse said: I have tried a few times to sit through his streams, both alone and with other podcasters, and have had to bail every time. It bothers you that he doesn't speak in a thick Swedish accent, doesn't it? 1 Quote
billsfan89 Posted August 29 Posted August 29 2 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: Totally disagree and think those are two way different scenarios. The Mets needed an elite hitter in the lineup. Teams in MLB rarely win championships without at least 1 elite hitter, many of them have 2. Soto hasn't had a typical Soto season but it's only year 1. There's also no salary cap in baseball so if you have an owner like Cohen who is willing to spend whatever, signing Soto doesn't come at the expense of sacrificing other parts of the team. Parsons has some weaknesses such as being able to be run at. Soto as an offensive player really doesn't have a weakness like that. I think if your D is solid against the run overall he does offer a top quality rusher but it's different than what you can do with Soto. You can walk him but that's still putting a baserunner on for good hitters behind him. Also Soto's still pretty young in baseball years and his skill set with a generational eye at the plate suggests he'll age well. With inflation and and higher salaries, that could also even not turn out to look like an overpay just like Bryce Harper's deal doesn't look like one anymore, in fact that looks like a really good deal now. Just totally different IMO. Soto got off to a super slow start but it is not even September and he has 32 home runs and he's been one of the best hitters in the league since June. by the time the year is done his stats will look pretty comparable to what he usually hits. The Mets ownership is insanely wealthy and they have no issues paying a tax to get Soto. In a league that has no salary cap and more predicable longer careers you could afford to put in a massive contract like Soto. The Mets even shelled out 10% of his contract in a 75 million dollar signing bonus and paying him 51 million this year so of the insane 750 million plus they gave him they are already off of 15% of it by the time he's 27. Quote
TBBills Fan Posted August 29 Posted August 29 13 hours ago, Ray Finkel said: What would Bruce Smith’s salary be if he played today? Micah couldn't hold Bruce's jock and cocaine stash 2 Quote
BarleyNY Posted August 30 Posted August 30 22 hours ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said: It's too much risk for me for a non-QB. I'm worried about injury mostly Okay. That’s fair. I’d rather take a chance like that because I think we need elite players at DE and/or WR to win it all. Quote
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted August 30 Posted August 30 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: Okay. That’s fair. I’d rather take a chance like that because I think we need elite players at DE and/or WR to win it all. This place would be UNBEARABLE with the sacrifices we'd need to make money-wise at other positions with a 200 million dollar contract on D. 🤣 Quote
BarleyNY Posted August 30 Posted August 30 28 minutes ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said: This place would be UNBEARABLE with the sacrifices we'd need to make money-wise at other positions with a 200 million dollar contract on D. 🤣 We’d have had to have sacrificed extensions and/or day 1 FA signings for some good players and found their replacements elsewhere - the draft, trade, later in FA. There certainly could’ve been disruption to our continuity, but it’s the job of a GM to find players that fit and the job of coaches to integrate them. Certainly worth that to get a difference maker who can elevate one side of the ball. That makes a huge difference in the postseason. 1 Quote
Nitro Posted August 30 Posted August 30 Green Bay is going all in for the Super Bowl but IMO I do not think they have the roster to get over the top. 1 Quote
NoSaint Posted August 30 Posted August 30 18 hours ago, QLBillsFan said: Agree 💯.. hoping it’s Bills Pack in SB so our OL can run him over like the waif he was the last time Bills freight trained over him. Great pass rusher with incredible speed but can be neutralized unlike Garrett or Watt. Thats a lot of $$$$ for a one dimensional player. Unless the pack score first and are playing with a lead and it’s havoc all day trying to come back. Talk about complimentary football - score fast and create turnovers off the pass rush is my favorite 24 minutes ago, Nitro said: Green Bay is going all in for the Super Bowl but IMO I do not think they have the roster to get over the top. I don’t count them as my favorite but this puts them in a spot to be in the playoffs and disruptive. From there it’s a little bit of luck either way. Quote
Doc Brown Posted August 30 Posted August 30 23 hours ago, Mikie2times said: I like that dudes comedy (Pack fan) but hearing him just talk shop makes me want to punch his face To be fair, that's exactly the way I would've reacted if we got Parsons for only two first round picks and say Ed Oliver. The guy on there is right. I thought it would be more. The Packers could make it work with their cap in late August. We simply realistically couldn't after handing out all these extensions this off-season and signing three defensive line free agents including Bosa. Quote
ganesh Posted August 30 Posted August 30 18 hours ago, rusty shackleford said: Longer term roster management is the reason I’m glad Bean wasn’t all in on this trade. Two 1st rounds and a pretty good defensive linemen would be completely reasonable to give up for Parsons. The problem is managing the rest of the roster against that cap hit along side our franchise QB and the core other players were committed to. It would be a very win it this year move (which might have worked out) but could be big a handcuff for the next 5-6 years of prime Josh Allen. Beane's picks in the 1st two rounds have been at best spotty. Plus we continue to draft at the end of the round...The Bills could have gone all-in and given up the 2 1st rounders. As someone else posted - we have ONE blue chip player. The Chiefs have at least three...The Ravens have at least three.. 1 Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted August 31 Posted August 31 23 hours ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said: This place would be UNBEARABLE with the sacrifices we'd need to make money-wise at other positions with a 200 million dollar contract on D. 🤣 This place is already unbearable! 😆 1 Quote
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