Jordan Phillips is back

[TPS]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The one technique in Sean's defense is not like a traditional zero technique plug in a 34

If you're going to line up in a four defensive front rotation you need to have enough push from both your defensive tackles... 

The best defensive tackles have the ability to move over the front and not just be pigeonholed to one technique

We certainly do have some run stuffers like ogunjobi... But when you sit in nickel like we do 

 

You need penetration... Whoever's lining up at the three technique and the one technique are going to have to both push the pocket and get pressure on the quarterback 

 

 that's why even the one techniques we've drafted like Harrison Phillips are not plugs... Even your best one technique like Dexter Lawrence gets after the quarterback and collapsed pockets

 

Star latulae was a classic plug that we gave a lot of money to and remember how that worked?  people complained daily about him here 

 

Stopping the run is insanely taxing on your body and there's about five 1 techs that make their bread and butter only on that 

 

There's not a list of 25 one techniques who are shutting down the run weekly for years.. it's a small list 

 

 

 

 

As Michael would say in The Office, "That's what she said!"

Edited Monday at 08:05 PM by TPS

[RoscoeParrish]

53 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

Your point stands but I don't see why bringing Sanders or Walker into it yet makes sense. They're rookies, and from everything I've seen/read, they look like really promising players. 

 

The crux of the issue is we whiffed on Carter and got lied to by Ogunjobi, which is why we're in this spot. Also, McBeane usually only carry one traditional 1T on the active roster, so calling everyone who isn't that a 3T isn't correct within the context of their system (i.e. Phillips and Walker will be used as rushers from the 1T spot on passing downs). 

 

Again, I like how they handled the Phillips signing as it gave them a chance to evaluate Carter, Sanders, and Walker. I suspect they had Phillips ready to go the whole time. He's a useful piece. If we need to do this again next year, then you'll have better grounds to make the point you're trying to make. 

We knew Ogunjobi was going to be suspended before he signed.

[HappyDays]

Now Sal is saying he is going to be on the practice squad:

 

That makes more sense.

[without a drought]

6 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

There are like 7 billion people on this planet, yet they keep signing the exact same guy

.

Harrison Phillips just got traded to the Jets, it kind of left them with no other choice. One of them was going to end up on the team.

 

It's like back when the Bills didn't like to start the season without a handfuls of Williams on the team. You can't break tradition

[Aesop]

I like the signing. But obviously it shows lack of confidence in DL depth. Understandably so, as there is alot of youth. Philips at least adds some experience behind Jones/Oliver. He will give you a few splash plays, hopefully in some crucial moments.

[Tierlifer]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Now Sal is saying he is going to be on the practice squad:

 

That makes more sense.

Air Raid | Buffalo on X (Twitter) can finally walk away from the ledge. Dude was having a meltdown over this move. 

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, RoscoeParrish said:

We knew Ogunjobi was going to be suspended before he signed.

you’re thinking of Hoecht, I believe.

[JoeF]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Now Sal is saying he is going to be on the practice squad:

 

That makes more sense.

Not sure I will be able to handle the emotional trauma of him getting cut tomorrow.  Life is a damn rollercoaster 

Just now, RiotAct said:

you’re thinking of Hoecht, I believe.

Both - Beane said he knew both were going to be suspended when he signed them

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-gm-brandon-beane-announces-ped-suspensions-for-de-michael-hoecht-and-dt-larry-ogunjobi

[Doc Brown]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Now Sal is saying he is going to be on the practice squad:

 

That makes more sense.

Smart.  Doesn't have to go through training camp.

[BillsFanForever19]

4 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

you’re thinking of Hoecht, I believe.

 

No. They found out when he flew in to sign his deal and he told them. They had the option to walk away from the deal. Instead, they lowered the terms of the deal and still signed him.

[DrDawkinstein]

 

Someone say 1 tech?

[thewookie1]

26 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Now Sal is saying he is going to be on the practice squad:

 

That makes more sense.

This is a far better outcome and is perfectly fine. Bills let him explore avenues and are going to bring him back as a sub as needed.

[RoscoeParrish]

53 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

you’re thinking of Hoecht, I believe.

I am not. Beanie renegotiated his offer to Larry O after the suspension came down. Because he was not signed.

[Sierra Foothills]

18 hours ago, eball said:

Oh, this thread is gold for the “I know more than Beane” crowd. 
 

It’s gold, Jerry! Gold!

 

The people who criticize the Bills for intending to re-sign Phillips are doo doo heads.

 

However the people who criticize the Bills for not drafting Dolac are absolutely correct.

 

🙂

 

8 hours ago, nosejob said:

True but I guess my point is those teams stuck with a position group until built.

 

The obligatory counterpoint invoking the "definition of insanity."

 

🙃

 

8 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Speculation is ogunjobi might not make it on Wgr.   I guess that makes some sense depending on if there are special terms regarding his suspension. 

 

Matt, why this sudden and extreme lowering of your usual posting standards?

 

WGR won't let Ogunjobi on the air? The Bills won't let him go on WGR? WGR thinks he might get cut?

 

😆

 

7 hours ago, BananaB said:

And signing an old vet to play ahead of them🤷🏼‍♂️

 

You know Phillips future role with the team?

 

7 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

There are like 7 billion people on this planet, yet they keep signing the exact same guy

 

Brilliant!!! I needed that. 😅

 

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

The one technique in Sean's defense is not like a traditional zero technique plug in a 34. If you're going to line up in a four defensive front rotation you need to have enough push from both your defensive tackles... The best defensive tackles have the ability to move over the front and not just be pigeonholed to one technique. We certainly do have some run stuffers like ogunjobi... But when you sit in nickel like we do you need penetration... Whoever's lining up at the three technique and the one technique are going to have to both push the pocket and get pressure on the quarterback 

 

 that's why even the one techniques we've drafted like Harrison Phillips are not plugs... Even your best one technique like Dexter Lawrence gets after the quarterback and collapsed pockets

 

Star latulae was a classic plug that we gave a lot of money to and remember how that worked?  people complained daily about him here 

 

Stopping the run is insanely taxing on your body and there's about five 1 techs that make their bread and butter only on that 

 

There's not a list of 25 one techniques who are shutting down the run weekly for years.. it's a small list

 

Thank you for an excellent post. The outrage over the anticipated signing of Phillips is surprising in its extremity... talk about hitting a nerve.

 

We don't know his role on the team... can we wait to see what exact puzzle piece he is before we meltdown?

 

On balance TSW is a very knowledgable group but there's this bizarre fixation with 1 technique vs 3 technique. While there are some small signs that the pendulum is swinging incrementally towards the run game, the NFL is a passing league and pass rushers are MUCH MORE important than run stuffers... thus Exhibit A, Zion Logue. The Bills are young on the D-line and feel that the "youts" could benefit from some veteran leadership. What exactly is the big deal?

 

1 hour ago, Aesop said:

I like the signing. But obviously it shows lack of confidence in DL depth. Understandably so, as there is alot of youth. Philips at least adds some experience behind Jones/Oliver. He will give you a few splash plays, hopefully in some crucial moments.

 

I don't think it shows a lack of confidence... I think it shows that they feel that what Phillips brings will be an asset to the team.

 

Edited Monday at 10:28 PM by Sierra Foothills

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

Matt, why this sudden and extreme lowering of your usual posting standards?

 

WGR won't let Ogunjobi on the air? The Bills won't let him go on WGR? WGR thinks he might get cut?

I should not post while working….

[Goin Breakdown]

4 hours ago, Nuncha said:

I don't recall JP LostMan coming back to the team four times....  Phillips is 32, not 42.

 I was making a joke that Phillips has been around a long time by using some exaggeration. 

[VW82]

2 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

I am not. Beanie renegotiated his offer to Larry O after the suspension came down. Because he was not signed.

 

And what difference does that make? Ogunjobi was signed in FA because our DT depth sucked last year. For all we know, him and Phillps will be in the playoff rotation. 

 

This team has been undermanned on the DL for years. Now we have proven back ups + an influx of young talent. We're loaded with depth. Somehow this is being portrayed as a bad thing. 

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

The people who criticize the Bills for intending to re-sign Phillips are doo doo heads.

 

However the people who criticize the Bills for not drafting Dolac are absolutely correct.

 

🙂

 

 

The obligatory counterpoint invoking the "definition of insanity."

 

🙃

 

 

Matt, why this sudden and extreme lowering of your usual posting standards?

 

WGR won't let Ogunjobi on the air? The Bills won't let him go on WGR? WGR thinks he might get cut?

 

😆

 

 

You know Phillips future role with the team?

 

 

Brilliant!!! I needed that. 😅

 

 

Thank you for an excellent post. The outrage over the anticipated signing of Phillips is surprising in its extremity... talk about hitting a nerve.

 

We don't know his role on the team... can we wait to see what exact puzzle piece he is before we meltdown?

 

On balance TSW is a very knowledgable group but there's this bizarre fixation with 1 technique vs 3 technique. While there are some small signs that the pendulum is swinging incrementally towards the run game, the NFL is a passing league and pass rushers are MUCH MORE important than run stuffers... thus Exhibit A, Zion Logue. The Bills are young on the D-line and feel that the "youts" could benefit from some veteran leadership. What exactly is the big deal?

 

 

I don't think it shows a lack of confidence... I think it shows that they feel that what Phillips brings will be an asset to the team.

 

Because people probably see Phillips as a retread 

 

Oft injured etc

 

But he plays with a intensity that is hard for offensive lineman to match for a full game and he actually did show up versus the Chiefs in the playoffs 

 

He can still collapse a pocket and McDermott always has brought the best out of him 

[PromoTheRobot]

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Someone say 1 tech?

[RoscoeParrish]

1 hour ago, VW82 said:

 

And what difference does that make? Ogunjobi was signed in FA because our DT depth sucked last year. For all we know, him and Phillps will be in the playoff rotation. 

 

This team has been undermanned on the DL for years. Now we have proven back ups + an influx of young talent. We're loaded with depth. Somehow this is being portrayed as a bad thing. 

You said we got lied to by Larry O and that’s why we are in this position.

 

its not true.

 

we knew he was going to be suspended for 6 weeks and signed him anyway.

 

As far as him being signed because our DT depth sucked.

 

#1 are we 100% sure he makes the roster

 

#2 that DT depth included Jordan Phillips, who we are bringing back presumably because he has something to add to DT depth