Joe Marino’s All 22 from Bucs preseason game

[Nephilim17]

2 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

yea.. right off the bat.. I disagree with Joe BIG TIME...  Walker got double teamed... another words.. he took on 2 players. there are going to be times where many DT 330+ pounds will get taken out. 

 

Fact that he needed to be double teamed on a play like this is great... cause it shows he is doing his Job as 1 tech..  

 

1 Tech DT is not all about big plays.. its about demanding double team. 

 

I will argue also on a defensive design like that.. letting your 1 Tech DT getting taken out is what you want cause it makes it easier for your S. and LB to do their job. 

 

Fact is.. he took 2 individuals out of the play making it easier for the S/LB to get in there job  

 

 

I will also add that, that TB guard did a great job pushing on that shoulder. That is what turned Walker around.

 

 

This is why I prefer Cover 1 all 22 over this guy.

 

Walker did take on a double team but was pushed back a few yards. Not ideal.

Did you watch the whole video or just the first play breakdown? I watched the whole thing and while Joe called out Walker on that first play breakdown he called out Walker on four other plays where he praised him. So plenty of love from Marino for Walker. He called him "dominating" and said he had "very good technique" and a "good feel for where the ball was."

A player can have a good game but not be perfect. Marino can like Walker's play but not love every single play.

I'm a fan of Marino and like his analysis a lot. I think you may have jumped to a rushed conclusion here about what Joe thinks about Walker.

[todd]

1 hour ago, Nephilim17 said:

Walker did take on a double team but was pushed back a few yards. Not ideal.

Did you watch the whole video or just the first play breakdown? I watched the whole thing and while Joe called out Walker on that first play breakdown he called out Walker on four other plays where he praised him. So plenty of love from Marino for Walker. He called him "dominating" and said he had "very good technique" and a "good feel for where the ball was."

A player can have a good game but not be perfect. Marino can like Walker's play but not love every single play.

I'm a fan of Marino and like his analysis a lot. I think you may have jumped to a rushed conclusion here about what Joe thinks about Walker.

Agreed. Marino is being objective. He sees the potential because he’s a rookie, but also offers critique where appropriate.

[machine gun kelly]

Walker seems fun, but I’ll wait on any judgement.  Im not convinced on anyone, nor is it wise to do so.  Let it play out.  He shows maybe opportunity.  It would be great, but it’s preseason.  That means almost nothing.

[Pete]

It’s impressive how strong Walker is.  He pancaked the guard trying to block him with his one right arm.  He took one bear push on guy’s shoulder, and he folded.  I believe that display of strength might have been what Finn was referring to.  I agree that was a Reggie White like play.  To pancake a lineman and quickly change direction is Reggie like

 

[chris heff]

What do they want Walker to play, 1 or 3 technique, or both? NFL trainers and conditioning will be good for him. Should he lose some weight?

 

[billsfan89]

1 minute ago, chris heff said:

What do they want Walker to play, 1 or 3 technique, or both? NFL trainers and conditioning will be good for him. Should he lose some weight?

 

I think Walker in his rookie year is a 3 tech, similar to Jordan Phillips, he doesn’t have the lower body strength to consistently be a running game anchor. But if he can stay healthy and work on his lower body strength I think in year two he’s gonna be a beast.

 

In year 1 him being a solid 3 tech rotation player is a nice find

[BuffaloBill]

4 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

yea.. right off the bat.. I disagree with Joe BIG TIME...  Walker got double teamed... another words.. he took on 2 players. there are going to be times where many DT 330+ pounds will get taken out. 

 

Fact that he needed to be double teamed on a play like this is great... cause it shows he is doing his Job as 1 tech..  

 

1 Tech DT is not all about big plays.. its about demanding double team. 

 

I will argue also on a defensive design like that.. letting your 1 Tech DT getting taken out is what you want cause it makes it easier for your S. and LB to do their job. 

 

Fact is.. he took 2 individuals out of the play making it easier for the S/LB to get in there job  

 

 

I will also add that, that TB guard did a great job pushing on that shoulder. That is what turned Walker around.

 

 

This is why I prefer Cover 1 all 22 over this guy.

 

 

 

There is a very good chance that Walker may turn into the biggest steal of the draft.  

[fergie's ire]

2 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

Walker did take on a double team but was pushed back a few yards. Not ideal.

Did you watch the whole video or just the first play breakdown? I watched the whole thing and while Joe called out Walker on that first play breakdown he called out Walker on four other plays where he praised him. So plenty of love from Marino for Walker. He called him "dominating" and said he had "very good technique" and a "good feel for where the ball was."

A player can have a good game but not be perfect. Marino can like Walker's play but not love every single play.

I'm a fan of Marino and like his analysis a lot. I think you may have jumped to a rushed conclusion here about what Joe thinks about Walker.

That was my question reading all these replies.  He was also pointing out the incredible power of Walker being able to just toss a 300 pounder to the side.

[chris heff]

21 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

I think Walker in his rookie year is a 3 tech, similar to Jordan Phillips, he doesn’t have the lower body strength to consistently be a running game anchor. But if he can stay healthy and work on his lower body strength I think in year two he’s gonna be a beast.

 

In year 1 him being a solid 3 tech rotation player is a nice find

Then shouldn’t he get down to like 310-315 lbs.? Then add muscle?

Edited Sunday at 07:55 PM by chris heff

[PrimeTime101]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

There is a very good chance that Walker may turn into the biggest steal of the draft.  

100% Agree

[YattaOkasan]

5 hours ago, mannc said:

Dude, go look at the Bucs game thread…your boy Cover 1’s take on Walker’s rep on that play was EXACTLY the same as Marino’s🤣🤣🤣🤣

Yeah he’s gotta drop the knee too much horizontal displacement. I assume that’s what they said. I missed this game but he is a homer run or strike out player. It’s great or terrible. Hope they can get him sorted like they did with Josh and it’s more good than bad. 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

 

Good section on Walker. He seems to do better on Man rush concept than zone but he was able to quasi 2 gap.

 

It reminds me a bit of Fletcher Cox

[MJS]

8 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

yea.. right off the bat.. I disagree with Joe BIG TIME...  Walker got double teamed... another words.. he took on 2 players. there are going to be times where many DT 330+ pounds will get taken out. 

 

Fact that he needed to be double teamed on a play like this is great... cause it shows he is doing his Job as 1 tech..  

 

1 Tech DT is not all about big plays.. its about demanding double team. 

 

I will argue also on a defensive design like that.. letting your 1 Tech DT getting taken out is what you want cause it makes it easier for your S. and LB to do their job. 

 

Fact is.. he took 2 individuals out of the play making it easier for the S/LB to get in there job  

 

 

I will also add that, that TB guard did a great job pushing on that shoulder. That is what turned Walker around.

 

 

This is why I prefer Cover 1 all 22 over this guy.

 

It only counts if you occupy blockers if you hold your ground somewhat, which is what he did not do.

Edited Sunday at 11:27 PM by MJS

[MJS]

4 hours ago, chris heff said:

What do they want Walker to play, 1 or 3 technique, or both? NFL trainers and conditioning will be good for him. Should he lose some weight?

He has been lining up with Sanders a lot playing 1 tech so far. But regardless, they want all the defenisve linemen to be penetrating and getting up field to the QB.

[HardyBoy]

7 hours ago, Dunkirk Donski said:

I think Joe is butt hurt about the Walker situation.  Dude, just admit you were wrong and move on…

 

He literally said in that specific video that he is being proven wrong and has been being proven wrong all summer long, and if he does prove him wrong he'll be extremely happy and that he's rooting for him.

 

Also, on one of the first episodes of Bills Squad, Jerry O was explaining the injury to Joe and how it explained the entire drop off his last season in college and how it's an extremely common injury for nfl lineman and how nfl strength and conditioning coaches are great at handling and managing it...how in college the focus lifting is just to do as much lifting as possible at the highest weight possible...in the pros it's much more targeted and not about ego.

 

Basically with that injury, Walker isn't able to do squats, and that likely explains the weaker lower body muscles and how especially after next off season when he gets a full nfl off-season with nfl strength and conditioning coaches we should see a big body shift...Jerry O said the back injury wasn't that concerning and Joe M was basing basically all of his thoughts on how he was being impacted by an injury that was no managed properly and was very manageable long term (it's not one that ever heals I guess).

 

Joe Marino started changing his opinion at that point and said he was cautiously optimistic and hoped he'd be proven wrong...I guess this makes me an "everydayer, lol" but I think your take on Marino calling out Walker to protect his ego is flat incorrect... but you'd know that if you watched the video in the OP

[PrimeTime101]

6 hours ago, MJS said:

It only counts if you occupy blockers if you hold your ground somewhat, which is what he did not do.

does not matter. he occupies 2 defenders. thats his job. 

 

Cant tell you how many times our 1 Tech got blown out and the hb runs right into the arms of a lb. in prior years.

 

Either way...

 

This guy is going to be a stud.

13 hours ago, somnus00 said:

I really like Marino and I usually agree with his opinions. But I thought his take on Walker was not good. Even with a bad back all season, he was moving around really well, and pushing guys all over the place.

 

Of course, we haven't seen any real games played yet. And Marino may end up being correct. But I'm excited about Walker and expect him to be a good one for us.

this is spot on.. and for the record, I do not Hate Marino.. i just disagree with some of his film work. 

[Dunkirk Donski]

10 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

 

He literally said in that specific video that he is being proven wrong and has been being proven wrong all summer long, and if he does prove him wrong he'll be extremely happy and that he's rooting for him.

 

Also, on one of the first episodes of Bills Squad, Jerry O was explaining the injury to Joe and how it explained the entire drop off his last season in college and how it's an extremely common injury for nfl lineman and how nfl strength and conditioning coaches are great at handling and managing it...how in college the focus lifting is just to do as much lifting as possible at the highest weight possible...in the pros it's much more targeted and not about ego.

 

Basically with that injury, Walker isn't able to do squats, and that likely explains the weaker lower body muscles and how especially after next off season when he gets a full nfl off-season with nfl strength and conditioning coaches we should see a big body shift...Jerry O said the back injury wasn't that concerning and Joe M was basing basically all of his thoughts on how he was being impacted by an injury that was no managed properly and was very manageable long term (it's not one that ever heals I guess).

 

Joe Marino started changing his opinion at that point and said he was cautiously optimistic and hoped he'd be proven wrong...I guess this makes me an "everydayer, lol" but I think your take on Marino calling out Walker to protect his ego is flat incorrect... but you'd know that if you watched the video in the OP

Dear Joe Marino burner account:

I did not realize you were in here at TBD.  I listened to your podcasts all summer but must have missed your recent retractions due to family life.  I will man up as well and cautiously admit that i may have been incorrect in my assessment.  Thank you for your attention to this matter.  I will be sure to send a superchat next time i catch you live.  

 

Sincerely,

Double D 

[PrimeTime101]

19 hours ago, mannc said:

Dude, go look at the Bucs game thread…your boy Cover 1’s take on Walker’s rep on that play was EXACTLY the same as Marino’s🤣🤣🤣🤣

yea where? link me? I just went through all the cover 1 videos.. they don't even have their all 22 out yet.. 

 

In fact they recently posted this

I think you need to get your story straight man.. Cover 1 LOVES Walker...  calling him a Draft Steal. 

[warrior9]

Few things I noticed from the video- 

 

1.) Hawes has to make the team as well. He's been incredibly consistent. 

 

2.) Andreessen just seems sooooo lost in the run game. I don't see how he can make the team. 

[mannc]

3 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

yea where? link me? I just went through all the cover 1 videos.. they don't even have their all 22 out yet.. 

 

In fact they recently posted this

I think you need to get your story straight man.. Cover 1 LOVES Walker...  calling him a Draft Steal. 

I’ve got my story straight; you don’t.  On the rep in question, Cover 1 called out Walker for getting taken for a ride…I already told you where to find it….