Early returns on 2024 Draft is awful

[Pete]

Keon could salvage it.  IMO Keon has a great season.

 

2nd round pick- Cole Bishop- maybe the light turns on, but he looks lost out there.  He let tiny Xavier Worthy rip the ball out of his hands.  Has me made a great play yet?  Any signs of hope?

 

Carter- probably our weakest lineman.  He would surely be cut if he wasn’t last years third rounder.

 

That’s possible 1 for 3 with our first 3 picks.  .333 is good batting average in baseball, but ***** for top 3 picks.

 

Hopefully Keon steps up, to save this draft from being a disaster.

Cooper DeJean was top value for our pick, and whom I would have drafted.  

[Ben]

It seems like Carter was looking pretty good last year prior to his injury. Hopefully he gets back to at least solid rotational guy. But bishop needs to show something fast

[The Jokeman]

4 minutes ago, Pete said:

Keon could salvage it.  IMO Keon has a great season.

 

2nd round pick- Cole Bishop- maybe the light turns on, but he looks lost out there.  He let tiny Xavier Worthy rip the ball out of his hands.  Has me made a great play yet?  Any signs of hope?

 

Carter- probably our weakest lineman.  He would surely be cut if he wasn’t last years third rounder.

 

That’s possible 1 for 3 with our first 3 picks.  .333 is good batting average in baseball, but ***** for top 3 picks.

 

Hopefully Keon steps up, to save this draft from being a disaster.

Cooper DeJean was top value for our pick, and whom I would have drafted.  

The 2024 class has played a total of 17 regular season games, sorry not going to fully judge them yet. 

Just now, Ben said:

It seems like Carter was looking pretty good last year prior to his injury. Hopefully he gets back to at least solid rotational guy. But bishop needs to show something fast

He had a fumble recovery for a TD last night that got called back on a penalty. 

[Logic]

Early returns on Monday morning TBD threads are awful.

[YattaOkasan]

Not beane's best class but interesting this list stopped just before Davis.  I also think Grable has come along well and wont be surprised if hes a starter by the end of his rookie contract.  SVG could also pan out on the interior and start before the end of his rookie contract, and Solomon has shown flashes both good and bad.  Still plenty of time for players (especially the first 3 picks) to figure it out and get many contributors from this class.  Like almost everyone i worry the most about carter.  

[finn]

Bishop may be playing out of position at free safety, which exposes his lack of range, coverage skills, and grasp of the defense. He might do better at strong safety where his physicality would be a real asset. Sure does look like a poor draft pick, especially with Cooper DeJean falling out of the first round. Too early to tell about Carter, I'd say, but it doesn't look like he'll be a star, that's for sure. Coleman, Davis, Solomon, and Grable might salvage this class, though. 

[billsfan89]

Keon and Davis look to be nice additions to the roster we will see if they can ascend beyond role players but I think the early returns on them are thus far positive. Grable and Solomon also have flashed as later round pick depth finds, SVPG was also looking like a nice depth player but injury has derailed his year 2 thus far. The draft class however is hinging on Carter/Bishop the team is going to need one of those players to make an impact on the defense. If Keon is a solid WR2, Davis a nice RB2, Bishop is a starter at safety, and Solomon, SVPG, and Grable are nice depth players the draft class is a solid piece of business. 

[MikePJ76]

Its pretty early to be declaring it a bad draft.  Bishop who everyone is flipping out about because he got beat playing a wr man to man a t the line of scrimmage played 1 and a half series last night.

 

Sederick Van Pran Granger's injury is a bummer this summer and the fact that he probably won't play at all this year stinks but he is a player that seemingly will be a starter at some point or given the opportunity to be a starter.

 

They like grable and he seems like another guy that is being developed.

 

Ray Davis proved who he was last year.  He is the perfect number 2 back.  

 

Carter is the one who is the most dissapointing to me.  He played in a similar system in collge and played the 1, 3 and 5 technique at end in college.  I thought he would at least be able to stand in there and play the run well even if he had no pass rush ability.  He has struggled this summer it seems and yesterday he looked exhausted in the second half of the game.  Im curious how many snaps he played last night.

 

Coleman is an ascending player.  

 

It seems to be calling the 24 draft a bust is very premature.

[Coach Tuesday]

Dewayne Carter played deep into the game last night.  Now, it's possible they're just testing him at both interior DL spots and wanted to get extended looks at that, but it's also possible his job is in jeopardy.  He'd probably be a trade candidate as opposed to an outright release, but it's clear he has a lot of work to do to carve out a regular role for himself on this team.

[blacklabel]

11 minutes ago, Logic said:

Early returns on Monday morning TBD threads are awful.

 

Every time I visit the board after a rough outing and see all these whacky posts my brain automatically starts playing that old "Crying" song by Roy Orbison.

[uticaclub]

34 minutes ago, Ben said:

It seems like Carter was looking pretty good last year prior to his injury. Hopefully he gets back to at least solid rotational guy. But bishop needs to show something fast

No he wasn’t. While I don't hold a ton of value in PFF, if they have you ranked as the 5th worst dlineman to take a snap in the league, you have some work to do.

 

However the 2024 draft class, looks pretty good compared to the 2024 free agent class.

Edited 1 hour ago by uticaclub

[GunnerBill]

27 minutes ago, finn said:

Bishop may be playing out of position at free safety, which exposes his lack of range, coverage skills, and grasp of the defense. He might do better at strong safety where his physicality would be a real asset. Sure does look like a poor draft pick, especially with Cooper DeJean falling out of the first round. Too early to tell about Carter, I'd say, but it doesn't look like he'll be a star, that's for sure. Coleman, Davis, Solomon, and Grable might salvage this class, though. 

 

He was strong safety last night. Damar was playing the free. He still sucked. 

2 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

No he wasn’t. While I don't hold a ton of value in PFF, if they have you ranked as the 5th worst dlineman to take a snap in the league, you have some work to do

 

He had one excellent play in Houston and people presume that indicative of his overall performance. It wasn't.

[Roundybout]

It's disappointing to be sure, but I believe you can't judge a draft class for five years. That gives you time to see who gets an extension, traded, etc. 

[GunnerBill]

28 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Its pretty early to be declaring it a bad draft.  Bishop who everyone is flipping out about because he got beat playing a wr man to man a t the line of scrimmage played 1 and a half series last night.

 

He wasn't in man. The receiver was his guy within the zone but he got beat because he got his spacing wrong to start with, read the play late and reacted late. Sure the WR then ran away from him because that's a hard match up.... but if he gets his fundamentals right he is in position make the tackle there for a 4-6 yard gain. 

[gonzo1105]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

He wasn't in man. The receiver was his guy within the zone but he got beat because he got his spacing wrong to start with, read the play late and reacted late. Sure the WR then ran away from him because that's a hard match up.... but if he gets his fundamentals right he is in position make the tackle there for a 4-6 yard gain. 

It was man coverage, they were in cover 1 on that play 

[Matt_In_NH]

Way too early to make conclusions.  You forgot Davis, VPG, Grable and Solomon.

[Bruffalo]

Anyone who tries to judge a draft class less than 3 full seasons under their belt probably has an agenda. 

Spencer Brown looked pretty bad after his first season.

Rousseau didn't look like anything special after one season.

We all thought Allen would take a huge step forward in year 2 but it definitely wasn't a sure thing.

Terrel Bernard looked lost his first season.

Shakir could barely get on the field due to (reported) problems remembering the playbook his first season.

 

I don't know how you can confidently judge any NFL draft pick after a single season, especially given how the Bills loved to draft developmental guys far from their ceiling.

 

 

[LEBills]

Yes not looking like the best so far. Grable and SVPG may turn out alright but injuries are preventing us seeing it. Davis is a backup running back and not sure Soloman, Ulofoshio or Hardy make the team this year 😕

[MikePJ76]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He wasn't in man. The receiver was his guy within the zone but he got beat because he got his spacing wrong to start with, read the play late and reacted late. Sure the WR then ran away from him because that's a hard match up.... but if he gets his fundamentals right he is in position make the tackle there for a 4-6 yard gain. 

yea I guess he wasn't in man or maybe he was, the wr switched and he was caught chasing.  I really don't think they are going to put him in that situation much in the regular season.  

 

I will make a video of the play from the all 22 quick.

Edited 50 minutes ago by MikePJ76

[YattaOkasan]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He wasn't in man. The receiver was his guy within the zone but he got beat because he got his spacing wrong to start with, read the play late and reacted late. Sure the WR then ran away from him because that's a hard match up.... but if he gets his fundamentals right he is in position make the tackle there for a 4-6 yard gain. 

Looked like cover 1 robber to me (Andreessen is def in a hook to curl).  It was def MoFC.  If it was Cover 3 would you expect the outside CBs to be getting more depth and be trying to identify threats?  Dane Jackson slow plays the release of the WR at the bottom of the screen.  Maybe im missing it.

 

 

Edited 48 minutes ago by YattaOkasan