Report: Terry McLaurin requests trade

[DapperCam]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We didn’t score plenty of points because we lost. You never score “plenty” of points in a loss. 

If we had scored a TD on that final drive, we would have scored 36 points. Here are the times the Chiefs have given up 36 or more points in Arrowhead during this current dynasty (since 2019 season when Spags joined, not counting week 17 with backups):

- 10/11/2020 Raiders scored 40
- 10/10/2021 Bills scored 38
- 01/23/2022 Bills scored 36 (13 seconds game)

So it's only happened 3 times in 5 seasons. It's a totally unreasonable standard to expect the offense to produce at that rate for the team to have success. How about our defense does anything?

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

No Thanks. I do not want to be stuck in cap hell for the next 3-5 years and on top of that.. add a potential Diva to this team.

 

A lot of superstars are divas. This is the drought era lovable losers mentality. KC and Philly have guys on their team that you hate to root for, and those players are racking up championships. Many Bills fans have a weird complex about players that are anything but 100% company men. That diva attitude is the same mentality that makes these guys alphas on the field. We shouldn't be afraid of that, we should welcome it.

[PrimeTime101]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

A lot of superstars are divas. This is the drought era lovable losers mentality. KC and Philly have guys on their team that you hate to root for, and those players are racking up championships. Many Bills fans have a weird complex about players that are anything but 100% company men. That diva attitude is the same mentality that makes these guys alphas on the field. We shouldn't be afraid of that, we should welcome it.

then lets put the diva part aside for a moment and talk about our cap.. I looked at what a contact would do to our future.. is he worth it? idk man... 

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

then lets put the diva part aside for a moment and talk about our cap.. I looked at what a contact would do to our future.. is he worth it? idk man... 

 

For sure means no Cook, McGovern and Edwards extensions. 
 

I think Torrence may be getting to a place where they get it done regardless of what else they want to do and backload the contract. 
 

Anything past this year for Bosa and/or Milano also get tricky.   Very limited FA spending on anything but our own. 
 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

15 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

If we had scored a TD on that final drive, we would have scored 36 points. Here are the times the Chiefs have given up 36 or more points in Arrowhead during this current dynasty (since 2019 season when Spags joined, not counting week 17 with backups):

- 10/11/2020 Raiders scored 40
- 10/10/2021 Bills scored 38
- 01/23/2022 Bills scored 36 (13 seconds game)

So it's only happened 3 times in 5 seasons. It's a totally unreasonable standard to expect the offense to produce at that rate for the team to have success. How about our defense does anything?

So if they scored again, then it would have been plenty (assuming that the Chiefs didn’t score again). The Bills finished with 29 so it wasn’t enough because the Chiefs scored 30. The Chiefs have given up 29+ 8 (or 9 not going back through) other times in that span. Instead of adding a hypothetical TD, it has happened 12 times in that span. It basically happens twice a year. It’s not some all-time thing. 
 

We keep loading up on defense. They need to get better. No one is arguing that. There are countless threads on here talking about the investment in terms of dollars and top 3 round picks on defense vs. offense. It’s disproportionate to the rest of the league. It’s way different than the other top QBs. We could MAYBE beat KC by getting one more stop. We could ALSO beat KC by getting one more score. EITHER of those would work. I’m simply suggesting that they should try to give Josh Allen 1 more elite player instead of giving Sean McDermott’s defense one more elite player. I have more confidence in Josh getting it done in the clutch vs. Sean McDermott.  

[Doc Brown]

27 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

No Thanks. I do not want to be stuck in cap hell for the next 3-5 years and on top of that.. add a potential Diva to this team.

 

nope. already spent to much.

You could make it work without being in salary cap hell.  McClaurin is not a diva but if he was who cares.  They all can't be choir boys.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

We scored plenty of points against KC - but its never enough.  To ask us to keep scoring even more points is a lot harder (as it takes entire drives, multiple plays, etc) than simply making just ONE more play on defense to get KC off the field one more time preventing a scoring drive in games we lost by 1 score.

 

The defense did make that play to halt the drive hold them to a FG and mean the offense, with plenty of time, had a chance to go win the game with a touchdown. And they didn't get it done. 

 

We didn't score enough points in that game.

[Warriorspikes51]

not adding McLaurin or Parsons will be disappointing if either is actually traded

 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I don't disagree, he will.  But the point is, they don't think he is worth it.  Guys like JJ, Hill, Chase, etc didn't have teams not willing to pay them at the top of the market.  They got their deals done easily.  Guys like Terry, Aiyuk, etc have to fight for their money because their teams don't think they are worth the money but cave due to the team also being a SB contender with QB's on rookie deals.  

 

The point is, if Terry was worth that the Commanders could have easily just gave it to him, they can do it easier than anyone else too.  They feel its too much for what is a good, but not great, WR.  And now people want the Bills to over pay for a guy that will screw our cap up moving forward who is about to be 30.  The amount of overpay people are always willing to do here for a WR is crazy to me. 

 

 

The Cowboys don’t want Parsons now? 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

not adding McLaurin or Parsons will be disappointing if either is actually traded

 

My thoughts exactly. You’ve add a really hard time adding top end talent outside of Josh. It looks like Cook will be the only other guy in the NFL top 100 at 89 (unless Dawkins makes the top 51). Dawkins is the only guy with a Madden rating over 90. Lamar has 8 such teammates. Both McLaurin and Parsons are inside the top 52 players in the NFL and have ratings over 94 (98 for Parsons). 
 

Yes, I know games aren’t won with Madden ratings or the NFL Top 100 list. It is a pretty clear indication though that the top of the Bills roster comes in well behind other good teams. Players 2-5 on the Bills are probably worse than 2-5 on almost all NFL teams. They’re amazing 6-53 (and beyond really). If the Bills pulled off either of these moves, that guy would immediately become the 2nd best player on the Bills and play one of the next 2 most important positions in football after QB. It’s a no brainer for any team but especially a team like the Bills stuck on the doorstep. 

[RichRiderBills]

8 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

What do you mean you’d have thought McLauren “would’ve waited years for this”? This is the last year of his contract. Of course he wants an extension now. This is the time players usually get one. I understand the Commanders not wanting to give a big contract to a WR pushing 30, but it’s time to do an extension if they want to keep him past this year. 

 

Like he's waiting to be a winner and now they are. 

[BarleyNY]

1 minute ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

Like he's waiting to be a winner and now they are. 

So he shouldn’t want a contract extension or to be paid his worth because the team did well last season? That is ridiculous. 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The defense did make that play to halt the drive hold them to a FG and mean the offense, with plenty of time, had a chance to go win the game with a touchdown. And they didn't get it done. 

 

We didn't score enough points in that game.

 

That was after the refs flipped the game by 11-15 points the drive before that when they stole a first down from us twice on the same series on 2nd and 4th down.  A game we lost by 3.  Now add in Elam having to play, Kincaid being hurt, WR's wide open on the final series on multiple plays where offensive execution didn't complete the play through tipped balls at LOS and misread blitzes, and the clear answer is that WR was not the magic missing ingredient.  Refs, injuries, and failed execution to get wide open WR's the ball were our issue.  And again we still should have won that game if not for the 11-15 point swing in the middle of the 4th in a game we were at the time winning and in scoring range already.  
 

So respectfully disagree this was on the offense.  The defense continuously puts the offense in a position to have to be perfect to SAVE the game or bail out defensive failures.  That needs to end first and foremost as “needing” the offense to be perfect isn’t a reliable way to win in the playoffs against other strong teams.  

Edited Friday at 08:32 PM by Alphadawg7

[TBBills Fan]

19 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

I heard he’s skinny and can’t separate.

Honestly he would be an incredible addition. But I like that room the way it is.

Just skinny legs

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The Cowboys don’t want Parsons now? 

 

So much for the agree to disagree offer I threw out multiple times I see lol.  

 

Or maybe they don't want to pay a guy as much as he wants who couldn't stop anyone on this forum in the run game?  Or maybe its because he is a prima donna who rubs teammates the wrong way on his podcast and divides the locker room?  A team with cap issues as it is.  And lets not pretend Dallas has a good FO either.  

 

Doesn't mean they won't pay Parsons, but this is NOT the same thing as Commanders and Terry.  The Commanders have a rookie contract at QB, one that will be IN PLACE the ENTIRETY of the new deal Terry wants.  So cap is NOT an issue with the Commanders, its 100% simply what they are WILLING to pay him - and so far, they have not been wiling to get close to his demands to the point a trade has not been requested.  If they were at least close, I doubt it gets to a public trade demand.  

 

And we are talking about a team with a 2nd year QB, with huge expectations.  The last thing they would want is their top WR missing valuable time with the team on such an important sophmore season.  YET - here they are, unwilling to budge to the point Terry has requested a trade.  

 

SF went through this same dilemma with Aiyuk.  Then caved under the pressure of a potential SB roster to immediately regret it and have to get rid of Deebo and still tried to trade Aiyuk again after they paid him and Purdy.  That is what happens when you pay a guy above what his tier of player he is.  Aiyuk is a good player, but he isn't in the elite tier either.  And now signing Aiyuk has cost them Deebo - and SF has a much better W/L record with Deebo than without, more so than any other player on the offense outside the QB.  With Deebo their W/L is .642 and in the 19 games he was hurt it is .421 which no other player other than QB has impacted their win % as much as Deebo has, not even CMC.  

 

Niners no longer have Deebo, a guy who has been very important to their offense including losing every game he has missed since 2023, because they caved on Aiyuk.  There are consequences to these deals.  And at the same time, they don't magically make you score more points either.  

 

Meanwhile Bengals with a lethal duo of Chase and Higgins for their elite QB to play with haven't made the playoffs the past 2 seasons and have the same amount of Lombardi trophies Allen has.  And the one time they made the SB, it wasn't because of the offense which was pedestrian in both the AFCCG and Super Bowl, it was their defense the held KC to just 3 points in the 2nd half allowing the offense to do just enough to win.  Then in the SB, the game ended in Burrows hands with that elite WR group to throw to.  

 

Edited Friday at 08:24 PM by Alphadawg7

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, DapperCam said:

If we had scored a TD on that final drive, we would have scored 36 points. Here are the times the Chiefs have given up 36 or more points in Arrowhead during this current dynasty (since 2019 season when Spags joined, not counting week 17 with backups):

- 10/11/2020 Raiders scored 40
- 10/10/2021 Bills scored 38
- 01/23/2022 Bills scored 36 (13 seconds game)

So it's only happened 3 times in 5 seasons. It's a totally unreasonable standard to expect the offense to produce at that rate for the team to have success. How about our defense does anything?

 

If the 13 seconds game before the final regulation KC drive didn't tell you Josh Allen is great and and especially with excellent offensive talent then I don't know what will.  And I'd say he's a more well-rounded QB now than back then.  

 

You have to have a game-plan changeup when the fastball ain't working.  Going into games as Buffalo does expecting to be strong defensively paired with a quasi-dink and dunk offense doesn't always work.  Have to be able to out-score the opponent when the defense is struggling.  

 

[PrimeTime101]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

A lot of superstars are divas. This is the drought era lovable losers mentality. KC and Philly have guys on their team that you hate to root for, and those players are racking up championships. Many Bills fans have a weird complex about players that are anything but 100% company men. That diva attitude is the same mentality that makes these guys alphas on the field. We shouldn't be afraid of that, we should welcome it.

 

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

For sure means no Cook, McGovern and Edwards extensions. 
 

I think Torrence may be getting to a place where they get it done regardless of what else they want to do and backload the contract. 
 

Anything past this year for Bosa and/or Milano also get tricky.   Very limited FA spending on anything but our own. 
 

 

@HappyDays and this. We expect to lose cook.. but who else to we lose at the expense of this WR?  JA put together an amazing season without a true #1 WR cause it is not his style to force a ball to 1 player (or feels like he has to).  If this player comes to buffalo... he better be prepared with the understanding that EVERYONE Feeds in this offense. 

 

still a no... 

[nuklz2594]

Pats have most cap money to spend

[Alphadawg7]

14 minutes ago, nuklz2594 said:

Pats have most cap money to spend

And a bigger need too.  Still think he ultimately stays where he is at…but if he is traded, I would think NE would be a team that would make a lot of sense.  

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

That was after the refs flipped the game by 11-15 points the drive before that when they stole a first down from us twice on the same series on 2nd and 4th down.  A game we lost by 3.  Now add in Elam having to play, Kincaid being hurt, WR's wide open on the final series on multiple plays where offensive execution didn't complete the play through tipped balls at LOS and misread blitzes, and the clear answer is that WR was not the magic missing ingredient.  Refs, injuries, and failed execution to get wide open WR's the ball were our issue.  And again we still should have won that game if not for the 11-15 point swing in the middle of the 4th in a game we were at the time winning and in scoring range already.  
 

So respectfully disagree this was on the offense.  The defense continuously puts the offense in a position to have to be perfect to SAVE the game or bail out defensive failures.  That needs to end first and foremost as “needing” the offense to be perfect isn’t a reliable way to win in the playoffs against other strong teams.  

 

I didn't say the loss was on the offense. But at the end the defense DID get a critical stop and give the O a chance. 

 

Bills - Chiefs games come down to the wire. Every game but one in the last four seasons has. They are won inside of the final 4 minutes. The Bills are yet to prove that they can seal the deal whichever side of the ball is out there last. So while there is no doubt that the defense has been worse than the offense in our playoff losses I'd also say the last three times the O has had a chance at the end and it only did its bit one out of three (and the coaching, STs and defense didn't hold up their end). So we can't just say "improve the D and problem solved." The O has to get better to in those situations.