Training camp a rainy July 31 2025 day

[SoonerBillsFan]

40 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

So to sum up... more injuries and the OL is sucking.  Cool, got it.

[Sierra Foothills]

28 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

So to sum up... more injuries and the OL is sucking.  Cool, got it.

 

If one of the top 3 O-lines in the NFL isn't looking good, it could mean good things about the new, revamped D-line.

 

[Dan]

28 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

If one of the top 3 O-lines in the NFL isn't looking good, it could mean good things about the new, revamped D-line.

 

The other day after the first pads practice, and they did a lot of run plays.  The D line looked super good!   One of the podcaster talking people things said something to the effect of…  the D line should look good.  It was all run plays and they all know what’s coming so they have an edge.   
 

I do think we need to keep in perspective that his is all just practice. The coaches most certainly put players in specific situations just to see how they respond.  

[EmotionallyUnstable]

2 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

Welcome to the NFL Keon Tre style

 I call that mentoring. 😋

Old and senile am I

 What # was Tre back in the Day ?

 

27

[eball]

5 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

The Bills love these real tall guys on both lines.  And I think its a disadvantage.  Spencer Brown-way too tall.  Greg Rousseau-way too tall.  AJ Epenesa-too tall.  Wasn't Jason Peters 6'4?  I would not want any lineman over 6'5 period.  And preferably a little shorter.  Remember Jim Ritcher from years back?  He was maybe 6'1 I believe and was a hell of a guard.

When Jim Ritcher played offensive linemen were <300 lbs… 😂

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I am officially a bit disappointed with Landon Jackson. He flashed in the spring and Epenesa's spot seemed the must vulnerable. Am I asking too much of a 3rd round rookie? Maybe. In general, I expect the same line as last year and the only difference be the rotation but I really thought he would flash more

[thenorthremembers]

9 hours ago, WeckMonster said:

Ted Washington hadn’t seen 325 since 10th grade.

Correct meant to put 365.

[GunnerBill]

12 hours ago, 947 said:

 

Being tall comes with long arms, which is a huge advantage at OT, for pass protection. I agree that Brown is way too tall to play OG or OC, but his build is perfect for RT. Jonathan Ogden is an inch taller than Spencer, and he's one of the best to play OT.

 

Yea height and consequent length is helpful outside - at tackle and edge. Where I do think @Paup 1995MVP has a bit of a point is on the interior it can be disadvantage because low man wins really counts inside. That said, David Edwards is a big man and he has been a good NFL guard in his career both here an with the Rams.

[fergie's ire]

14 hours ago, Mat68 said:

They dont want that guy imo.  They want penetrators and guys who have some pass rush ability.  Walker is massive but has the chops to penetrate.  

Agree.  The Bills brought in Ryan Nielsen who likes to use a lot of stunts and wants to have mobile penetrators, not stationary boulders that plug up the middle.  The picked up three DTs in free agency and the draft and not one is a "true 1 tech."  They are 3's who can play 1.  They are talking about Carter as a 3 who can play 1.  So, either they just couldn't find any true 1 techniques or they decided that that is not what they want.  I think with that many selections, it has to be the latter.  The tea leaves are suggesting that they want to attack, attack, attack...which I would love to see.  Also, the Bills were one of the best in the league in getting pressure but it did not translate into sacks.  They were killed by quick passes.  One way to combat that is with better press DB coverage, but the other is by having rushing linemen get their hands up.  When they're all over 6'5, it can be hard for a QB like Tua to get a quick pass off.

[billsfan89]

11 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

If one of the top 3 O-lines in the NFL isn't looking good, it could mean good things about the new, revamped D-line.

 

 

Defenses are ahead of offenses at this point and the offensive line has been banged up (Spencer Brown and Alec Anderson banged up Dawkins has had a lot of vet rest too). I would be more concerned if the defensive line was looking good...

4 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

I am officially a bit disappointed with Landon Jackson. He flashed in the spring and Epenesa's spot seemed the must vulnerable. Am I asking too much of a 3rd round rookie? Maybe. In general, I expect the same line as last year and the only difference be the rotation but I really thought he would flash more

 

It's training camp, I wouldn't put too much into it. Landon Jackson was in my mind at best gonna take the Smoot role of a backend rotation DE. Bosa and Groot are the starters AJE is the key rotation player and Hochet/Solomon/Jackson will compete for the remaining snaps. I know we all want rookies to come in and dominate but sometimes they need to marinate for a year or two.

[3rdand12]

21 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

27

Thank you.

 Not good with numbers. and anomaly in my Family.

 Who was 23 

10 hours ago, fergie&#x27;s ire said:

Agree.  The Bills brought in Ryan Nielsen who likes to use a lot of stunts and wants to have mobile penetrators, not stationary boulders that plug up the middle.  The picked up three DTs in free agency and the draft and not one is a "true 1 tech."  They are 3's who can play 1.  They are talking about Carter as a 3 who can play 1.  So, either they just couldn't find any true 1 techniques or they decided that that is not what they want.  I think with that many selections, it has to be the latter.  The tea leaves are suggesting that they want to attack, attack, attack...which I would love to see.  Also, the Bills were one of the best in the league in getting pressure but it did not translate into sacks.  They were killed by quick passes.  One way to combat that is with better press DB coverage, but the other is by having rushing linemen get their hands up.  When they're all over 6'5, it can be hard for a QB like Tua to get a quick pass off.

I agree about your conclusion. They want an attacking line.

 Still feel one of the issues was not keeping LBS clean against the run. 

But the other side is. If the penetrators are not getting home enough and quickly , the back end is doomed. Was hoping they would tweak the scheme towards the immovable one tech who demands doubles on the run downs . Honestly the Defense was the weakness at the end of the day last year.

Get those hands up in the passing lanes if you cant get to the QB 110%

[Brand J]

13 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Who was 23 

Pretty sure Micah Hyde wore 23

[3rdand12]

22 minutes ago, Brand J said:

Pretty sure Micah Hyde wore 23

Dang I must be thinking further back

Still thinking CB. Not Safety.

It will come to me at some odd time.

 Thanks Brand

[Brand J]

21 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Dang I must be thinking further back

Still thinking CB. Not Safety.

It will come to me at some odd time.

 Thanks Brand

I remember Aaron Williams wore 23 as well. I’m trying to think of a corner with the number but I’ve got nothing.

[NickelCity]

17 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

I am officially a bit disappointed with Landon Jackson. He flashed in the spring and Epenesa's spot seemed the must vulnerable. Am I asking too much of a 3rd round rookie? Maybe. In general, I expect the same line as last year and the only difference be the rotation but I really thought he would flash more

 

I am a bit surprised I haven't heard a single thing about him in training camp. Like zero mentions.

[NickelCity]

2 hours ago, NickelCity said:

 

I am a bit surprised I haven't heard a single thing about him in training camp. Like zero mentions.

 

And then just like that, Joe Marino says he flashed at the Blue and Red practice. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

On 8/1/2025 at 7:08 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea height and consequent length is helpful outside - at tackle and edge. Where I do think @Paup 1995MVP has a bit of a point is on the interior it can be disadvantage because low man wins really counts inside. That said, David Edwards is a big man and he has been a good NFL guard in his career both here an with the Rams.

That is true about David Edwards.  Good football players come literally in all shapes and sizes.  That is what's most important finding talented players.