BillytheKid Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Yes. 😁 He is more accurate than a lot of people seem to think. He has the most big time throws of over 20 yards in the league. Completion percentage doesn’t really tell the whole story. Think it’s way overblown on this board. I watch every single snap of every single NFL game every week of the year and every quarterback misses plenty of deep throws. Most of you guys don’t watch enough of the other QB’s from week to week. He was ranked as the 3rd best in the league last year according to PFF Highest Deep (20-Plus Yards) PFF Passing Grades in NFL in 2024 QBDeep PFF Passing Grade Russell Wilson97.3 Derek Carr95.6 Josh Allen95.4 Geno Smith95.1 Bryce Young94.6 1 1 5 1 Quote
JerseyBills Posted July 24 Posted July 24 51 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Yes, that Detroit turf killed a SB for us in 2 separate games. No load management was needed for him at the time, and it was a freak thing.... but afterwards during his return, seems like we had him on a Merriman'esque limit. Unless im mistaken, and you meant Bosa, Bosa's injuries havent felt like fluke injuries. Hes just regular ole injury prone. Lets roll out the defense we have without him, keep him in a glass box during regular season. Get him enough action to stay in game shape, feel sharp. But where we NEED him, is playoffs. Dont want to blow our load too early! Great points!! Yes, we just need a big play or 2 in Jan/Feb Quote
RichRiderBills Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Shenault really needs to be out there. He's no lock and I hope he realizes that. 1 1 Quote
Rubes Posted July 24 Posted July 24 12 minutes ago, BillytheKid said: He is more accurate than a lot of people seem to think. He has the most big time throws of over 20 yards in the league. Completion percentage doesn’t really tell the whole story. Think it’s way overblown on this board. I watch every single snap of every single NFL game every week of the year and every quarterback misses plenty of deep throws. Most of you guys don’t watch enough of the other QB’s from week to week. He was ranked as the 3rd best in the league last year according to PFF Highest Deep (20-Plus Yards) PFF Passing Grades in NFL in 2024 QBDeep PFF Passing Grade Russell Wilson97.3 Derek Carr95.6 Josh Allen95.4 Geno Smith95.1 Bryce Young94.6 Holy *****, that's impressive. 1 2 Quote
Special K Posted July 24 Posted July 24 33 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I suspect I am going to be clamoring for Shand and Solomon to be our starting DEs this year, and to no avail! So.......it sounds like you are advocating for a "Shand" job.😂😂 3 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted July 24 Posted July 24 14 minutes ago, BillytheKid said: He is more accurate than a lot of people seem to think. He has the most big time throws of over 20 yards in the league. Completion percentage doesn’t really tell the whole story. Think it’s way overblown on this board. I watch every single snap of every single NFL game every week of the year and every quarterback misses plenty of deep throws. Most of you guys don’t watch enough of the other QB’s from week to week. He was ranked as the 3rd best in the league last year according to PFF Highest Deep (20-Plus Yards) PFF Passing Grades in NFL in 2024 QBDeep PFF Passing Grade Russell Wilson97.3 Derek Carr95.6 Josh Allen95.4 Geno Smith95.1 Bryce Young94.6 The issue I have with this sentiment and these numbers is that in this day and age I don't think when people talk "deep ball" they are discussing 20 yard pass plays. You can quantify it any way that it needs to be sugar coated to save face for Josh, but he is not accurate on passes that are truly deep down field. I'm talking 40-50 yards. Moon balls as it were. Now granted the further the target the slimmer the window to hit it. And passes that deep require the ability of the WR to track it. But more often than not it seems like Josh is so scared to under throw and get picked off (arm punt) that he overthrows the target range by a fair amount. 1 1 1 1 Quote
Don Otreply Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: As much as I am very much not shutting the door on Coleman, every time I've heard Elijah Moore's name mentioned since practices began it's been followed by "makes a play" Would appear that Coleman fit that bill today, Quote
Dan Posted July 24 Posted July 24 8 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: The issue I have with this sentiment and these numbers is that in this day and age I don't think when people talk "deep ball" they are discussing 20 yard pass plays. You can quantify it any way that it needs to be sugar coated to save face for Josh, but he is not accurate on passes that are truly deep down field. I'm talking 40-50 yards. Moon balls as it were. Now granted the further the target the slimmer the window to hit it. And passes that deep require the ability of the WR to track it. But more often than not it seems like Josh is so scared to under throw and get picked off (arm punt) that he overthrows the target range by a fair amount. So in other words, those facts don’t fit your preconceived opinion… therefore we must move the goal posts and discount them and rely on your eye test. Quote
Don Otreply Posted July 24 Posted July 24 26 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said: Shenault really needs to be out there. He's no lock and I hope he realizes that. I hear he is the great grandson of the WWII flying tigers commander…, 1 Quote
RoscoeParrish Posted July 24 Posted July 24 (edited) 48 minutes ago, BillytheKid said: He is more accurate than a lot of people seem to think. He has the most big time throws of over 20 yards in the league. Completion percentage doesn’t really tell the whole story. Think it’s way overblown on this board. I watch every single snap of every single NFL game every week of the year and every quarterback misses plenty of deep throws. Most of you guys don’t watch enough of the other QB’s from week to week. He was ranked as the 3rd best in the league last year according to PFF Highest Deep (20-Plus Yards) PFF Passing Grades in NFL in 2024 QBDeep PFF Passing Grade Russell Wilson97.3 Derek Carr95.6 Josh Allen95.4 Geno Smith95.1 Bryce Young94.6 How many of those are scramble plays for Josh? that’s a little different that drops in the bucket. i watch a lot of NFL too. I think Josh historically hasn’t had elite touch on deep passes. I also think the 2024 offense had basically zero players to take advantage of touch deep passes so it was rendered kind of moot. Based on watching along with that grade, probably the two best on deeper touch passes in the NFL are Geno and Russ. They have great moon balls. Edited July 24 by RoscoeParrish 1 Quote
Brand J Posted July 24 Posted July 24 2 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said: How many of those are scramble plays for Josh? that’s a little different that drops in the bucket. i watch a lot of NFL too. I think Josh historically hasn’t had elite touch on deep passes. I also think the 2024 offense had basically zero players to take advantage of touch deep passes so it was rendered kind of moot. Based on watching along with that grade, probably the two best on deeper touch passes in the NFL are Geno and Russ. They have great moon balls. Wasn’t Warren Moon the NFL’s best deep ball thrower? I only started following the NFL in 1997 so I’m sure there are posters here who’ll correct me. Quote
Beck Water Posted July 24 Posted July 24 2 hours ago, Mat68 said: Deep ball accuracy is a wr dependent stat. The elite guys have that little extra gear/maintain speed while tracking the ball. Buffalo has not had that since 2019 Jon Brown and he wasn't elite at it. 2020 Stefon Diggs was OK (also had John Brown looking pretty good for 8 of the first 10 games of 2020), Gabe Davis caught some deep balls. But to your point, neither elite. And in 2021, without Brown and with the Ghost of Manny Sands gimping through the season, defenses began to key on Davis. Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted July 24 Posted July 24 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Dan said: So in other words, those facts don’t fit your preconceived opinion… therefore we must move the goal posts and discount them and rely on your eye test. No. In other words the data provided does not match what most people are talking about when they talk "deep ball". It's not even comparing apples to oranges. Its like comparing apples to drywall screws. And yes, good old fashioned eyeball tests are still the best method. Data can be used to support what you see, of course. But data without proper context is often times misleading. Edited July 24 by BuffaloBillyG Quote
26TrapDraw Posted July 24 Posted July 24 6 hours ago, JP51 said: What if he beats Deone Walker in the 40??? will that redeem him... ? I'll take even money on Walker. 1 Quote
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted July 24 Posted July 24 47 minutes ago, Special K said: So.......it sounds like you are advocating for a "Shand" job.😂😂 You have been lying in wait like a lion ready to pounce and use that one! 2 1 Quote
26TrapDraw Posted July 24 Posted July 24 4 hours ago, Bills!Win! said: Defense let up a few long scoring plays. McDermott visibly not happy with defense and coaching them hard The Bills D shouldn't get too discouraged. This offense can move the ball and score on anyone on the planet anytime they want. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted July 24 Posted July 24 48 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: The issue I have with this sentiment and these numbers is that in this day and age I don't think when people talk "deep ball" they are discussing 20 yard pass plays. You can quantify it any way that it needs to be sugar coated to save face for Josh, but he is not accurate on passes that are truly deep down field. I'm talking 40-50 yards. Moon balls as it were. Now granted the further the target the slimmer the window to hit it. And passes that deep require the ability of the WR to track it. But more often than not it seems like Josh is so scared to under throw and get picked off (arm punt) that he overthrows the target range by a fair amount. Not many balls throughout and NFL season from any quarterbacks travel 50 yards in air lol In fact Josh Allen absolutely has the most 50 yard air completions since he entered the league 3 1 Quote
BearNorth Posted July 24 Posted July 24 34 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: I hear he is the great grandson of the WWII flying tigers commander…, Claire Lee Chennault. Spelling is quite a bit different. Chennault's 2nd wife was Chinese and a prominent figure in the China Lobby before Nixon recognized them in the 70's. Quote
Dan Posted July 24 Posted July 24 18 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: No. In other words the data provided does not match what most people are talking about when they talk "deep ball". It's not even comparing apples to oranges. Its like comparing apples to drywall screws. And yes, good old fashioned eyeball tests are still the best method. Data can be used to support what you see, of course. But data without proper context is often times misleading. In an effort to not derail a good Training Camp thread, I’ll just say I disagree with you and move on. 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 hour ago, BillytheKid said: He is more accurate than a lot of people seem to think. He has the most big time throws of over 20 yards in the league. Completion percentage doesn’t really tell the whole story. Think it’s way overblown on this board. I watch every single snap of every single NFL game every week of the year and every quarterback misses plenty of deep throws. Most of you guys don’t watch enough of the other QB’s from week to week. He was ranked as the 3rd best in the league last year according to PFF Highest Deep (20-Plus Yards) PFF Passing Grades in NFL in 2024 QBDeep PFF Passing Grade Russell Wilson97.3 Derek Carr95.6 Josh Allen95.4 Geno Smith95.1 Bryce Young94.6 We fans expect 99.99% but will settle for 98.99% Thank you. 🙂 1 Quote
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