NFL Executives poll: Allen ranked #2 QB in NFL

[eball]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

If Allen can get that chemistry with Kincaid, he might have one of those all time seasons.  

Like Manning's 2013 season type of numbers.

From what I'm hearing, Kincaid is getting open a lot.  Allen his whole career has favored throwing to WR's by a lot.  

If we can get this going, that's another element to our offense....it could what the kids today say - lit.  

 

This of course is the thinking that the Palmer and Moore acquisition play as advertised....Coleman takes a positive step.

A lot of "if's" but with a strong offensive line and running game...it's hard not to feel confident.  

 

 

Healthy Kincaid + Palmer + Moore > Injured Kincaid + Hollins + Cooper — by a country mile.

 

[RoscoeParrish]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Just to be clear though, it isn't just Mahomes' statistics that have been down. It's his on-field performance. There's a reason that the other 3 top tier QBs all got into the MVP conversation last year, while the QB of a 15-1 team wasn't even mentioned, and it's not because of Mahomes fatigue. He just very plainly hasn't been playing at that level the past two seasons. And the counterargument seems to be that you can just cancel all of that out because his team has won championships. Which I get but that's not how a neutral evaluator would rank QBs. I'm not aware of anyone that studies film and/or analytics that has Mahomes ranked as the #1 QB solely based on on-field performance over the past 1-2 seasons.

 

At the end of the day it's all splitting hairs, right? Everyone knows the top 4 QBs could turn pretty much any team in the league into a Super Bowl contender. The individual difference between those 4 is not going to be as important as the difference between their respective teams. That's the point of putting QBs into tiers - the tier grouping tells you more about how they impact the team's success than the individual ranking.

I agree it’s not just stats.

 

But he was ranked 1, again, by independent evaluators.
 

And that’s because of who he is in his career.

 

and despite his down year (in which he has an increasingly struggling supporting cast), he was excellent on third downs, and excellent in the playoffs until the Super Bowl. 3 TDs and almost 300 yards against his biggest rival in the conference championship 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

1 hour ago, PonyBoy said:

 

I was never so wrong about a QB in my life! I watched a lot of him when he was in college.

Calm, cool, accurate. Stoked when we drafted him. 

 

So disappointed how he turned out 🫤

 

After Tryrod didn't work out, I seriously though we were going to have a QB joke jersey like the Browns fans did. Making the playoff with him at QB felt like that RJ time all over again.

[Low Positive]

11 hours ago, Rousseauisnoschmo said:

Nice but I really dont care about rankings or even the MVP. Get me a ring. Only thing that truly matters.

I hate to break it to ya, but if the Buffalo Bills win a Super Bowl, you ain't getting a ring.

[QB Bills]

It's ridiculous to suggest that Mahomes is a better qb than Josh at this point. Put Allen on any other contending team and they win the super bowl easily.

[Royale with Cheese]

10 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Healthy Kincaid + Palmer + Moore > Injured Kincaid + Hollins + Cooper — by a country mile.

 

 

You know what I never understood?  Country mile.

 

A city mile is longer because of traffic.  It takes like 30 seconds to drive a country mile.

It can take 15 minutes to drive one mile in the city with traffic.

 

Wouldn't it make more sense to say "city mile"?

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, QB Bills said:

It's ridiculous to suggest that Mahomes is a better qb than Josh at this point. Put Allen on any other contending team and they win the super bowl easily.

Josh said it best.  "To be the champs you have to beat the champs."  Same thing goes for QB's.  

4 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Being in his what, 8th season?  We really need to sit back and enjoy every minute of this kids career, Superbowl win or not.

Agreed in watching him but the narrative will be we wasted maybe the most talented combination of arm strength and mobility in league history.

[90sBills]

3 hours ago, finn said:

Thought experiment: If Mahomes ended up statistically dead last in every relevant category but the Chiefs still won the Super Bowl (bear with me), would these people still rank him number one over a quarterback who is best in every quarterback but whose team sucks? You see my point. Where is the line drawn? How much credit do you give the QB on a SB-winning team, putting aside his contributions? And how much demerit do you assign the QB who performs at an arbitrary fantastic level but doesn't "take his team" to the ultimate victory? 

 

I think you can make an argument that greatness requires victory, but there is a lot of lazy thinking out there that reflexively dismisses great QBs on bad teams. 

Your experiment is fantasy. No team will even get to a Super Bowl much less win it with a qb that’s dead last in every statistical category. 

[NewEra]

Mahomes has the Lombardi’s.  Until Josh gets one, or at least beats him in the playoffs, there will always be a large population that will always put Mahomes ahead of him.  
 

That doesn’t mean Mahomes is actually better.  

[Process]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Mahomes has the Lombardi’s.  Until Josh gets one, or at least beats him in the playoffs, there will always be a large population that will always put Mahomes ahead of him.  
 

That doesn’t mean Mahomes is actually better.  

Yea exactly. Allen is the better QB but I'm not going to argue with anyone who puts Mahomes ahead in a rankings list. It's certainly reasonable. Five SB appearances to zero, it's not even comparable in that regard. 

[QB Bills]

21 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Josh said it best.  "To be the champs you have to beat the champs."  Same thing goes for QB's.  

Agreed in watching him but the narrative will be we wasted maybe the most talented combination of arm strength and mobility in league history.

This isn't tennis or boxing. It's a team game. And the fact remains that Mahomes has had a far better team around him and on the sidelines than Josh has. Put Allen on that chiefs team and they have even more success than they've already had. 

 

Mahomes: more accomplished 

Allen: more talented

 

Up to you to decide what constitutes being better.

[eball]

32 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You know what I never understood?  Country mile.

 

A city mile is longer because of traffic.  It takes like 30 seconds to drive a country mile.

It can take 15 minutes to drive one mile in the city with traffic.

 

Wouldn't it make more sense to say "city mile"?

 

Country mile is perceived as a long, windy road that takes longer to travel than a straight line “city mile.”

 

Good question though

[wjag]

The way I see it

 

Tier 1: (The Standard)

Mahommes

 

Tier 2: (Nipping at Tier 1's heels)

Allen, Burrows and Jackson

 

Tier 3: (On any given Sunday, Monday or Thursday)

Hurts, Stafford, Goff, Smith, Mayfield, Stroud

 

Tier 4: (Shows Flashes, But...)

Darnold, Daniels, Nix, Prescott, Murray, Herbert, Love, Purdy, Tagovailoa, 

 

Tier 5: (Only Your Own Fan Base Cares)

All the rest..

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You know what I never understood?  Country mile.

 

A city mile is longer because of traffic.  It takes like 30 seconds to drive a country mile.

It can take 15 minutes to drive one mile in the city with traffic.

 

Wouldn't it make more sense to say "city mile"?

'A "country mile" is an idiom that refers to a long or indefinite distance, often implying it's longer than a standard mile. It can be used to describe both physical distances and figurative distances, such as a large margin of victory or a significant difference. The origin of the term is likely related to the winding and often uneven nature of country roads, which makes traveling a mile feel longer than it would on a straight, paved city street.' 

[GoBills808]

I mean he's clearly 1 but whatever

[Low Positive]

49 minutes ago, wjag said:

The way I see it

 

Tier 1: (The Standard)

Mahommes

 

Tier 2: (Nipping at Tier 1's heels)

Allen, Burrows and Jackson

 

Tier 3: (On any given Sunday, Monday or Thursday)

Hurts, Stafford, Goff, Smith, Mayfield, Stroud

 

Tier 4: (Shows Flashes, But...)

Darnold, Daniels, Nix, Prescott, Murray, Herbert, Love, Purdy, Tagovailoa, 

 

Tier 5: (Only Your Own Fan Base Cares)

All the rest..

I don't know who this Burrows guy is you're talking about. Maybe you mean Joe Burroughs?

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Low Positive said:

I don't know who this Burrows guy is you're talking about. Maybe you mean Joe Burroughs?

Or as he's more commonly known AFC Jared Goff

[DapperCam]

59 minutes ago, wjag said:

The way I see it

 

Tier 1: (The Standard)

Mahommes

 

Tier 2: (Nipping at Tier 1's heels)

Allen, Burrows and Jackson

 

Tier 3: (On any given Sunday, Monday or Thursday)

Hurts, Stafford, Goff, Smith, Mayfield, Stroud

 

Tier 4: (Shows Flashes, But...)

Darnold, Daniels, Nix, Prescott, Murray, Herbert, Love, Purdy, Tagovailoa, 

 

Tier 5: (Only Your Own Fan Base Cares)

All the rest..

Mahomes hasn’t been #1 based on his play the past couple of seasons, but you kind of have to keep him there for now based on his body of work.

[Warriorspikes51]

if we're ranking QB's based where they are when at peak individual performance
 

Mahomes & Allen  - virtual tie

 

Burrow

 

Lamar

 

everyone else 

[wnyguy]

Seems to me the ball was in Josh Allens hands at the end of the last 2 playoff losses to the Chiefs and didn't get it done.