machine gun kelly Posted July 12 Posted July 12 23 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: I think the All-Drought team is better at a lot of position groups, but the current team would win for two reasons: HC and, mostly, QB. Btw, I personally think of Kyle, Tyrod, and Moulds as drought players even if they did get to taste the playoffs at the beginning or end of their Bills careers. Hondo (my favorite SWAT guy), I’m glad you indicated the HC and JA17. No all-pro drought team and the kicker is Beane. He may have missed on a couple of 1st or 2nd rd guys, but he’s the best at the mid to late round gems. He also has been shrewd at the construction of the roster and maneuvering $ so we are sustainably successful. So many Bash McClappy, but he a hellova coach. He’s done much more right than wrong. 1 Quote
Walking Tall Posted July 12 Posted July 12 Bledsoe is the drought QB. Right before he got to us he QB’d a lot of the AFC championship game where the Patriots won at Pittsburgh. 1 Quote
Maine-iac Posted July 12 Posted July 12 (edited) Coaching makes such a difference. If Gailey had Schwartz as his DC or if Pettine had been the DC while Rex was here with Greg Roman. There were a number of years between 2010 and the arrival of McDermott where we were a decent defense away from making the playoffs. You either need a mistake eraser at QB or defense and we had neither many years. Bledsoe was a Willie Parker away from making the playoffs if I remember right. Unfortunately Fast Willie pooped all over our playoff hopes. Edited July 12 by Maine-iac Quote
Gunsgoodtime Posted July 12 Posted July 12 Allen makes all the difference, this is why I am very low on our coach and gm. I dont see what they have accomplished as being a success, but a failure considering who they are lucky enough to have. Josh Allen and 0 Sb appearances? That's a failure in my eyes, and if they don't get it done it will be the legacy of McDermott and Beane, hit the the lottery, blew the money and nothing to show for it due to bad purchases (free agents and draft picks) and decision making (McDermott). Btw we had some great players during the drought era that we most certainly could use today, our roster outside of Allen is not great, which goes back to my blowing the money analogy Quote
BillsfaninChicago Posted July 12 Posted July 12 (edited) On 7/11/2025 at 9:20 AM, Gregg said: I think the 1985 Bills would kick the 2025 Bills asses. Edited July 13 by BillsfaninChicago Quote
finn Posted July 12 Posted July 12 On 7/11/2025 at 9:43 AM, boater said: Oh...! If we're not careful, this thread could deteriorate into a Doug Flutie versus Rob Johnson debate. Those were some dark days. I don't recall anyone being on Johnson's side at any point. Besides Ralph, I mean. Quote
Don Otreply Posted July 12 Posted July 12 On 7/11/2025 at 9:09 AM, JP51 said: I dont think that honestly it would even be close... you can take who you want... Evans, Moulds,Shady,Jackson, Lynch, Williams, Washington. Adams, Gilmour, Clements etc... the QB disparity would be so stark I see the current Bills going 14-3 against the all time Drought era Bills... add in the coaching, and you get 16-1 1 Quote
hondo in seattle Posted July 12 Posted July 12 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: Hondo (my favorite SWAT guy), I’m glad you indicated the HC and JA17. No all-pro drought team and the kicker is Beane. He may have missed on a couple of 1st or 2nd rd guys, but he’s the best at the mid to late round gems. He also has been shrewd at the construction of the roster and maneuvering $ so we are sustainably successful. So many Bash McClappy, but he a hellova coach. He’s done much more right than wrong. Agreed. We can criticize some of McDermott's in-game decisions, but I pay a lot of attention to what players say - and don't say - about their coaches. I think, to some extent, you can read between the lines and start to understand what players think about their coaches and how well they prep them for the season during preseason and for individual games during the season. Current Bills players are, by and large, well-coached, well-prepared, and well-motivated. I think it was Orlovsky who said last year that the Bills and Lions had the best cultures in the NFL. Bills players know what they're doing, play hard, play together, and play for each other. It's a better coached team than any drought-era squad. And then there's Josh. (P.S. The Hondo in SWAT was probably the source and inspiration of my old high school nickname). 1 Quote
Paup 1995MVP Posted July 12 Posted July 12 On 7/11/2025 at 9:09 AM, JP51 said: I dont think that honestly it would even be close... you can take who you want... Evans, Moulds,Shady,Jackson, Lynch, Williams, Washington. Adams, Gilmour, Clements etc... the QB disparity would be so stark I see the current Bills going 14-3 against the all time Drought era Bills... Thats absurd. We had a lot of good players back then, just not a big time QB. Moulds and Peerless and Josh Reed were all good receivers. And Scott Chandler at TE was a beast in the red zone. McCoy Fred Jackson Marshawn Willis McGahee Travis Henry CJ Spiller, those are all very good RB's. The O line certainly wasn't as good as what we have now. Although Levitre and Wood were good together for a while. The defense had London and Spikes at LB. Fat Pat at DT with Dareus. And some tremendous guys in the secondary, including one of my all time favorite Bills #24 Terrance McGhee. Just need some good QB play. I thought Tyrod pretty much sucked more often then not. (I thought his best football was actually at Va Tech) Give me some real good Fitzie and I think its closer to 10-7 to 9-8 current Bills team. But I think most if not all the games would be competitive. On 7/11/2025 at 11:47 AM, Mat68 said: Offense Qb. Fitz, Bledsoe, Orton Rb, Lynch, Jackson, Spiller WR Evans, Johnson, Price, Woods, Watkins TE Chandler, Royal OT Peters, Glenn, Jennings OG Incognito, Levitre, C Wood Defense Edge Williams, Schobel, Kelsay DT Adams, Dareus, LB Cowart, Fletcher, Spikes CB Clements, Winfield, Mcgee S Byrd, Whitner, Wilson I think Allen is such a difference at Qb. The current roster has a better Oline and think are close everywhere else. Add in Pat Williams and Jerry Hughes in the D line rotation. And some Poz as a 4th LB, and you have an excellent front 7. Quote
BUFFALOBART Posted July 13 Posted July 13 On 7/11/2025 at 9:20 AM, Gregg said: I think the 1985 Bills would kick the 2025 Bills asses. They'd take the wind right, out of their Sails! Quote
Mike in Horseheads Posted July 13 Posted July 13 On 7/11/2025 at 11:47 AM, Mat68 said: Offense Qb. Fitz, Bledsoe, Orton Rb, Lynch, Jackson, Spiller WR Evans, Johnson, Price, Woods, Watkins TE Chandler, Royal OT Peters, Glenn, Jennings OG Incognito, Levitre, C Wood Defense Edge Williams, Schobel, Kelsay DT Adams, Dareus, LB Cowart, Fletcher, Spikes CB Clements, Winfield, Mcgee S Byrd, Whitner, Wilson I think Allen is such a difference at Qb. The current roster has a better Oline and think are close everywhere else. I think your the first person to answer the OP's question 1. Who's your coach? Quote
SoMAn Posted July 13 Posted July 13 No other choice but these fellas for the all ‘draught’ team. Quote
dhg Posted July 13 Posted July 13 On 7/11/2025 at 9:20 AM, Gregg said: I think the 1985 Bills would kick the 2025 Bills asses. Maybe in a bar fight Quote
Mango Posted July 13 Posted July 13 You can't have this conversation without normalizing the QB position. Quote
Capco Posted July 13 Posted July 13 On 7/11/2025 at 12:00 PM, ChronicAndKnuckles said: I would put that 2004 Bills defense against anyone. Ranked 2nd in the league at the time they had Schobel, Fletcher, Spikes, Fat Pat, Sam Adams, Clements/McGee manning the outside and a young Jabari Greer. Absolutely would crush even today. On the other side Moulds & Evan’s at WR (a top 5 tandem) middle of the pack QB Bledsoe and an underrated McGahee who rushed for 1100+ 13 TDs. Their problem was the line was crap. Still went 9-7, but largely because of their defense being so great. The Special Teams unit was extremely productive in 2004 as well. Iirc we had an unusually high number of special teams turnovers and TDs. 1 Quote
transplantbillsfan Posted July 13 Posted July 13 Oh come on. I don't think this game would be very competitive. The best offensive players would be the 1-2 punch of Lynch and Jackson and none of those coaches would be creative enough to get them on the field together (maybe Gailey) and then what on offense? Drought Defense would be better than 2025, but probably not by that much if we can't use Meatball and Hughes. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted July 13 Posted July 13 On 7/11/2025 at 9:23 AM, RoscoeParrish said: Is it the starters or including backups? really, you could start Fitz or Tyrod and see if you are gonna get the good or bad version of them, and if it’s not working, swap them out for the other guy. Feel like that extra wrinkle would keep it respectable. 40-24 for the fightin Josh Allen’s. edit: I see you saw if they played with McD they are ineligible, but imo Tyrod is a drought QB and always will be. I mean it was a 17-year drought and he was here for two of them lol Kyle Williams played like 11 years on drought teams.. that's a massive difference to me To me TT and shady were end of the drought teams I don't really correlate them with the futile 17 years Quote
SMAKCruiser Posted July 13 Posted July 13 The all draught team would easily win. They are better everywhere except QB and Bledsoe with that line and receivers would be very good. Quote
machine gun kelly Posted July 14 Posted July 14 On 7/12/2025 at 3:50 PM, hondo in seattle said: Agreed. We can criticize some of McDermott's in-game decisions, but I pay a lot of attention to what players say - and don't say - about their coaches. I think, to some extent, you can read between the lines and start to understand what players think about their coaches and how well they prep them for the season during preseason and for individual games during the season. Current Bills players are, by and large, well-coached, well-prepared, and well-motivated. I think it was Orlovsky who said last year that the Bills and Lions had the best cultures in the NFL. Bills players know what they're doing, play hard, play together, and play for each other. It's a better coached team than any drought-era squad. And then there's Josh. (P.S. The Hondo in SWAT was probably the source and inspiration of my old high school nickname). To my favorite TBD Hondo, here you go.. you’re wife should play it when you enter a party. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted July 14 Posted July 14 On 7/12/2025 at 5:01 PM, Paup 1995MVP said: Add in Pat Williams and Jerry Hughes in the D line rotation. And some Poz as a 4th LB, and you have an excellent front 7. Pat Williams was on a playoff Bills team. He was one of the first players I thought of too and looked it up right when the thread started. Quote
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