Kirby Jackson Posted June 27 Posted June 27 12 hours ago, FireChans said: He was arguably a top 5 QB last year. 2 years ago he was almost out of the league. like I said, opinion noted lol. 2 years ago he had over 4000 yards and 28 TDs. You’re WAY underrating Baker. He’s a top 10 QB. He’s not in the Tua/Lawrence/Kyler tier. He’s in the group with guys like Herbert, Stafford, Stroud, Dak and Goff. 7 Quote
FireChans Posted June 27 Author Posted June 27 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: 2 years ago he had over 4000 yards and 28 TDs. You’re WAY underrating Baker. He’s a top 10 QB. He’s not in the Tua/Lawrence/Kyler tier. He’s in the group with guys like Herbert, Stafford, Stroud, Dak and Goff. Bro I STG I’m not having a Baker conversation I don’t care. Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted June 27 Posted June 27 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: Bro I STG I’m not having a Baker conversation I don’t care. We all own it when we suggest something controversial. You threw him out in a conversation with guys that aren’t on his level. You’ve since been bombarded with numbers as to why he doesn’t belong there. If you’re lower on Baker than most, fine. If you are suggesting that there may be debate to who is a worse player Baker or Lawrence, you’re going to be challenged to defend that. 1 1 Quote
FireChans Posted June 27 Author Posted June 27 9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: We all own it when we suggest something controversial. You threw him out in a conversation with guys that aren’t on his level. You’ve since been bombarded with numbers as to why he doesn’t belong there. If you’re lower on Baker than most, fine. If you are suggesting that there may be debate to who is a worse player Baker or Lawrence, you’re going to be challenged to defend that. “Baker is the worst QB that I would give franchise money to” is not a controversial take! Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted June 27 Posted June 27 (edited) 18 hours ago, FireChans said: I always find this discussion really interesting. Most fans of the NFL agree with their top 5-10 QB's, in varying orders. We also all agree largely on the guys who stink or are just unknown. But who is the new Andy Dalton or Derek Carr in the NFL? The guy who is the "last' of the franchise QBs. IMO, some of the contenders are: Geno Purdy Tua Baker Lawrence Watson. They are still paying him. Then Kyler Edited June 27 by SoonerBillsFan 1 Quote
corta765 Posted June 27 Posted June 27 18 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Man, that’s not fair to Baker. He’s coming off 4,500 yards and 41 TDs. He had 4,000 and 28 TDs the prior year. Him being suggested makes me uncomfortable. To answer the question, I think Tua, Lawrence and Darnold are the guys that would qualify. It’s tough to want to move on from them but you don’t win because of them IMO. Hell Baker in playoff games has been really solid too. Dalton never has had one game as good as what Baker has done postseason. 1 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted June 27 Posted June 27 11 minutes ago, FireChans said: “Baker is the worst QB that I would give franchise money to” is not a controversial take! It absolutely is!! That’s why people have been on you. He had 4500 yards and 41 TDs!! The year before he had over 4000 yards and 28 TDs. That’s not, “I wonder if we should pay this guy” money. That’s, “we have one of the best QBs in football” territory. He’s been good in the playoffs too. To be clear, I am not suggesting that I’d take Baker over Mahomes. This is just some perspective: I’m not trying to derail this conversation but the suggestion that Baker COULD be the worst franchise guy is lunacy. 1 1 3 Quote
FireChans Posted June 27 Author Posted June 27 10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: That’s not, “I wonder if we should pay this guy” money No one is saying this. Lots of folks are saying they wouldn’t pay the Dak/Lawrence tier. Which is why I included Baker. Because he’s a tier above. IMO. I LOVE Baker. He’s 8-12 for me. 1 Quote
nuklz2594 Posted June 27 Posted June 27 ny jets dynamic duo of aaron rodgers and zach wilson. chicago bears justin fields and rex grossman Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted June 27 Posted June 27 Lawrence and Tua. Without a doubt. I dont even consider many of the other guys mentioned here since they are more rentals (Geno, Darnold) than long-term, mega-million signed ("Franchise") QBs. I'd put Dak right behind them. He's better than them, but paid much higher. Then Purdy right behind Dak. I can put Kyler on that list too, but at least I've seen flashes from him. Baker deserves way more respect and should be no where near this list. I'm not even a big fan, and I was a disbeliever when he came out. But I'll never forget that Rams win he pulled off after having joined the team merely 48 hours earlier. And dude has been solid all around. Cleveland messed that up and did him dirty (surprise, surprise). Quote
Doc Brown Posted June 27 Posted June 27 6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: It absolutely is!! That’s why people have been on you. He had 4500 yards and 41 TDs!! The year before he had over 4000 yards and 28 TDs. That’s not, “I wonder if we should pay this guy” money. That’s, “we have one of the best QBs in football” territory. He’s been good in the playoffs too. To be clear, I am not suggesting that I’d take Baker over Mahomes. This is just some perspective: I’m not trying to derail this conversation but the suggestion that Baker COULD be the worst franchise guy is lunacy. I don’t even care about this small off-season debates anymore. Someone send this graphic to Nick Wright. 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted June 27 Posted June 27 4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Lawrence and Tua. Without a doubt. I dont even consider many of the other guys mentioned here since they are more rentals (Geno, Darnold) than long-term, mega-million signed ("Franchise") QBs. I'd put Dak right behind them. He's better than them, but paid much higher. Then Purdy right behind Dak. I can put Kyler on that list too, but at least I've seen flashes from him. Baker deserves way more respect and should be no where near this list. I'm not even a big fan, and I was a disbeliever when he came out. But I'll never forget that Rams win he pulled off after having joined the team merely 48 hours earlier. And dude has been solid all around. Cleveland messed that up and did him dirty (surprise, surprise). Dak Prescott is a way better Quarterback than Kyler Murray. The comparison is so ridiculous it isn't close. 1 1 Quote
Maine-iac Posted June 29 Posted June 29 (edited) Haven't read every page but if Kyler Murray hasn't been discussed for this award he should be in the running. In contrast Baker took Cleveland to the playoffs and won and that alone should mean something. Lost to the Chiefs. Later beat the Eagles in the playoffs with a different team. Baker has been to the playoffs and won a few. Not saying he's the greatest but he certainly isn't the worst. Edited June 29 by Maine-iac 2 Quote
PrimeTime101 Posted June 29 Posted June 29 On 6/26/2025 at 1:28 PM, FireChans said: I always find this discussion really interesting. Most fans of the NFL agree with their top 5-10 QB's, in varying orders. We also all agree largely on the guys who stink or are just unknown. But who is the new Andy Dalton or Derek Carr in the NFL? The guy who is the "last' of the franchise QBs. IMO, some of the contenders are: Geno Purdy Tua Baker Lawrence Tua. Weak Arm and made of glass. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted June 29 Posted June 29 On 6/27/2025 at 7:58 AM, Kirby Jackson said: 2 years ago he had over 4000 yards and 28 TDs. You’re WAY underrating Baker. He’s a top 10 QB. He’s not in the Tua/Lawrence/Kyler tier. He’s in the group with guys like Herbert, Stafford, Stroud, Dak and Goff. I think Baker has a lot of talent and is much better than giving credit for Quote
Mike R Posted June 30 Posted June 30 Desean Watson is the worst franchise qb in the league by far. Followed by Lawrence. Both have huge contracts and have done nothing. Quote
eball Posted June 30 Posted June 30 I think in order to truly evaluate this question you first need an agreed-upon list of who the "franchise QBs" are in the league. I'll suggest that these are QBs who were drafted highly and are either still on the team they were drafted by or have received a significant multi-year contract from their current team. This eliminates journeymen or 1-year FA signees. In no particular order: AFC: Allen Mahomes Burrow Tua Maye Jackson Herbert Geno Nix Stroud Lawrence Ward NFC: Hurts Prescott Daniels Love Wilson Goff Mayfield Young Murray Purdy Stafford Darnold On that list I'm throwing out the rookies or 2nd year guys because we truly don't know yet, so Daniels, Maye, Ward, Nix, and Wilson come off. Based upon all of that, Bryce Young might be the worst "franchise" QB in the league. If we only look at guys with 2nd (or 3rd) contracts then I'd say Darnold kind of sticks out like a sore thumb, although Lawrence is right behind him. I think Murray has done more than either of those two guys. It's definitely not Baker. 1 Quote
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