Joe Brady says Dalton "lived here this offseason"

[sunshynman]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

to be fair to @Gugny, there was something that rubbed me the wrong way about Josh being buddy-buddy with Pat Mahomes in that one offseason golfing and doing TV stuff when Mahomes at that point had multiple MVPs and SB's and we had made one AFCCG appearance. 

 

Peyton and Brady didn't get chummy until long after they both had multiple trophies in their cases and it did make me wonder about his competitive drive and habits. 

 

However, after Josh's MVP and imo the best season of his career with a weaker supporting cast, I feel like complaining about his work ethic is a little over the top. 

Peyton didn't hang out with Brady because Brady is a dick. Who cares if they go golfing together. It may have happened back in the day, and no one reported it on it, because its dumb. Shouldn't matter what they do in their free time, as long as, they come to work when it matters.

[oldmanfan]

26 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I absolutely think Josh doesn’t work as hard as Mahomes. 
 

 

You betcha. 
 

With all due respect you don’t have the first clue about what each of those players do in the off-season 

 

And just for reference this will be my 66th year as a fan.

Edited Wednesday at 01:47 PM by oldmanfan

[BillsShredder83]

18 hours ago, sunshynman said:

Brady says Kincaid putting in the work. Let's hope it translates. 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/bills-oc-joe-brady-it-feels-like-dalton-kincaid-lived-here-this-offseason

What a dumb "article" from Florio. It's literally nothing. I get its the offseason but atleast string it together with other teams nfl news like a quick hit. I got the same exact thing out of the headline as reading the article. Such a hack

[RyanC883]

15 hours ago, Gugny said:

We don’t need Kincaid to live there. 
 

We need Josh Allen to live there. 
 

There are Tom Bradys and Patrick Mahomeses. 
 

Then there are Josh Allens. 
 

The ones who put in the work win the rings. 
 

Period. 

 

JA has not been the issue in the playoffs.  It's been the D, and WR who can't get open.  

Edited Wednesday at 02:56 PM by RyanC883

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, sunshynman said:

Peyton didn't hang out with Brady because Brady is a dick. Who cares if they go golfing together. It may have happened back in the day, and no one reported it on it, because its dumb. Shouldn't matter what they do in their free time, as long as, they come to work when it matters.

Not sure that's true on Peyton and Brady.

 

Peyton admitted (long after he retired) that him and Brady had secret work outs together.

 

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2024/06/13/peyton-manning-shares-story-of-secret-workout-with-tom-brady/74079220007/#:~:text="We lifted weights together.,kill all of you.'"

 

That was in 2009. They kept it a secret, but by that time, both had MVPs and both had Super Bowl wins. 

[RiotAct]

that sounds unhealthy and like it’ll lead to burnout pretty quickly.

[Shaw66]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

And just for reference this will be my 66th year as a fan.

You must be OLD!

[Mark Vader]

17 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

Not sure what more Allen could have done on that play. He literally threw it 25 yards downfield while falling backwards cuz of the blitz that wasn’t picked up. A heroic throw that I don’t think any other qb has the strength to make. It had to be caught 

I'm amazed that Allen was able to get that ball to the spot of where Kincaid was.

 

I hope that Kincaid can put that play out of his mind, and I'm hoping he can become a very good player for us.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

With all due respect you don’t have the first clue about what each of those players do in the off-season 

 

And just for reference this will be my 66th year as a fan.

 

We actually got a pretty good look at Mahomes' routine, plan, and activities in the Netflix "Quarterbacks" show. It was beyond impressive. While I am not criticizing Josh, or questioning his work ethic, I don't see how it could be at the same level.

 

For example, Mahomes built a facility in KC and moved his long time personal trainer to KC. If Josh was doing something like that, we'd know it.

 

Again, I'm not questioning or criticizing Josh. But I dont think the effort/dedication/whatever you want to call it is the same. Could certainly be wrong. Maybe Josh is doing everything Mahomes is and we just dont see it. But Mahomes' level would be difficult for ANYONE to match.

[oldmanfan]

7 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

You must be OLD!

Damn straight!  Get off my lawn!

[Shaw66]

8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

What more could Josh have done? Thrown it a bit better. Seriously, Kincaid was past everyone and wide open, with nobody in front of him on that right side. Throw that ball five yards further right and it is probably a TD.

 

And it wasn't as if he had to hit a small window. There was a huge window.

 

Should Kincaid have caught it? Yeah. But it was a very tough catch. He was wide open with nobody in front of him and had to do a 180 to get within a tough diving try. Again, he should've had it. But it was not an easy play, and could've been an extremely easy play with a better throw.

 

And yeah, Allen was under serious pressure. But you asked what more he could have done? He could have made it a very very easy catch.

 

Would that have required a terrific play? Yeah, but we're used to Josh making those. It's kind of what he does.

 

Smart defensive call. And they probably should have had a different offensive call. And as we've heard before, Josh was the guy who called the protection, which did turn out to be wrong. 

 

 

Good to see you, Thurm.

 

Frankly, I've forgotten about last season, and I'd forgotten about that play until I saw the discussion here.  

 

I saw it like you did.  It was one of those plays where, if you want to win championships, you need someone to make a play.  Josh didn't, and Kincaid didn't.  It was a tough, tough throw under the circumstances, but one that Josh needed to make it better. If he'd made a better throw, none of us would have been surprised. We would have said "Incredible Throw!" but wouldn't have been surprised.

 

And it was a tough, tough catch, particularly as we know now Kincaid was playing without his usual mobility. If he'd made the catch, none of us would have been surprised. We would have said "Great Catch!' but we wouldn't have been surprised. 

 

Eli made an incredible throw, and his man made an incredible catch, to beat the Patriots. Edelman picked a ball of the ground to win some big game. We came name a dozen of those plays.  Making the play and not is the difference between winning championships and knowing that you let one get away. 

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Damn straight!  Get off my lawn!

I wanted to wake you up from your nap. 

Edited Wednesday at 04:07 PM by Shaw66

[Shaw66]

30 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

We actually got a pretty good look at Mahomes' routine, plan, and activities in the Netflix "Quarterbacks" show. It was beyond impressive. While I am not criticizing Josh, or questioning his work ethic, I don't see how it could be at the same level.

 

For example, Mahomes built a facility in KC and moved his long time personal trainer to KC. If Josh was doing something like that, we'd know it.

 

Again, I'm not questioning or criticizing Josh. But I dont think the effort/dedication/whatever you want to call it is the same. Could certainly be wrong. Maybe Josh is doing everything Mahomes is and we just dont see it. But Mahomes' level would be difficult for ANYONE to match.

Didn't see the Netflix show, but I'll take you word for it. It was impressive. 

 

But no one could match it?  Come on.  He's just a guy on a workout program. It's also well documented that he's a dedicated family man, so that alone means Mahomes is, one might say, wasting a lot of time that he could be using to train.

 

Allen's competitiveness has been well documented - his teammates are amazed at how he competes and prepares. He has Brady, Palmer, and the entire Bills training staff developing training regimens for him, as well as personal trainers and dieticians.  He has been a 100% straight-arrow dude since high school, doing whatever it takes to make himself a winner.  He is close to McDermott, and McDermott's dedication to being prepared is legendary.

 

I think there's no basis whatsoever to conclude that Allen is doing less than everything he can do to make himself the best player he can be. 

[Coach Tuesday]

It’s one thing to say Josh could put in more work, fine, but to blame his work ethic for the Bills not having a ring?  Bananas.

[Ben]

It does seem like we've been a little hard on Kincaid. He had a very promising rookie season and was hurt most of last year. It's really not hard to imagine him catching 80 for 1000 this year is it?

[nosejob]

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

You must be OLD!

No Doubt! I've only been a fan since Dec. 73.

[MikePJ76]

This thread is awesome.

 

not only does Kincaid suck as many here have said or implied ad nauseum but now Josh Allen is a lazy bum who doesn’t work out enough and is not prepared enough.  
 

the bills might win a game or two if we could just get rid of these guys.

[sirebors]

4 hours ago, Gugny said:

This goes beyond OTAs. 
 

I’m close to 40 years into my Bills fan hood. 

The difference between him and Super Bowl winning QBs is work ethic. 

 

I will most certainly not give it a break. 
 

 

 

It might be time for somebody to get a life. And let Josh live his. He just got married for Christ's sake. 

[Direhard Fan]

I've been a fan since 1960.  Be 80 the 14th.  Yup like Trump.  Don't have many left so we better win the super bowl soon.  On the other hand it is what keeps me alive.  I can wait I guess. 

[eball]

19 hours ago, Gugny said:

We don’t need Kincaid to live there. 
 

We need Josh Allen to live there. 
 

There are Tom Bradys and Patrick Mahomeses. 
 

Then there are Josh Allens. 
 

The ones who put in the work win the rings. 
 

Period. 

 

To imply -- no, directly say -- that Josh Allen doesn't work as hard as he could or should when you have presented no evidence to back it up is quite ballsy.  Care to explain?

 

[SoTier]

6 hours ago, Gugny said:

This goes beyond OTAs. 
 

I’m close to 40 years into my Bills fan hood. 

The difference between him and Super Bowl winning QBs is work ethic. 

 

I will most certainly not give it a break. 
 

 

Well, I got your fandom beat by considerably more than 20 years, but you sound the cranky senior with a sour view of all humanity younger than you and your cronies. 

You have no idea what Brady or Mahomes' work ethics were/are compared to Allen's.  You just want to diss Allen because the Bills didn't make the Super Bowl, you're still po'd and you need another scapegoat because Kincaid and Coleman have already been burnt to a crisp.