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[The Wiz]

6 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Well I would caution that coopers ailments in Cleveland were blamed on poor qb play also and then he was just a guy here.  
 

a third round pick was thrown away.  At least Moore only costs money.

I like the idea of a 25 yo player more than bringing a player like cooper.  Did they need it last year, yes.  Did he help, in a sense.  Either way, did you really think that the QB talent in Cleveland should have been more productive than it was?

 

I'll take a flyer on a guy who hasn't worked out with other teams over the older guy who "still kinda has it but lost a step".

[BuffaloBillyG]

26 minutes ago, khlax3 said:

I could see shenault still making the team. He can be wr 6, punt returner, kick returner. He offers way more value than codrington does as solely a PR (he provides nothing at corner and they pulled him from KR later in the year last year

He has exactly ZERO career punt return yards. And only 708 career KO return yards...just over 450 of that were last year. 

 

Not really impressed there. 

[UKBillFan]

So here's the wide receiver. Would I still have liked a move to draft Thornton, Royals or Horton? Yes, sure, even with Moore seemingly now in the room. But this is a positive move in terms of talent, variety and depth.

[MasterStrategist]

47 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's exactly right. Fans overrate how much extra production WRs get from elite QBs. Chase and Higgins were still elite when Jake Browning was their QB. The example I always use is Tyreek Hill got more production when he went from Mahomes to Tua. WR production is about a whole lot more than their QB, and most of it rests on the WR themselves.

 

I'm struggling to think of a recent example of a WR where the light suddenly clicked on after getting a better QB? It didn't happen with Kadarius Toney or Chase Claypool or Nelson Agholor, etc.

Don't tell this to @GASabresIUFan....I've heard QB play is the differnce.

 

All seriousness, I agree that WR production is usually system/fit/opportunity, and having a bad QB isn't going to swing the needle much.  Especially for a slot WR, who does a majority of work underneath...it's a bit different for a boundary WR IMO.

 

Moore is good depth for Shakir, when Khalil is out this offense loses ALOT.  I'd trust Moore to step in, and hopefully he can add additional value in the return game (so Codrington has competition/potentially frees up a roster spot).

 

This is a better Kj Hamler depth guy IMO

[oldmanfan]

28 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

They did draft one this year.  With the first pick last year. They drafted Shorter the year prior and the year before that they picked Shakir.  What are we talking about?

Yes.  How about that?  Some never let facts obscure opinions.

[hondo in seattle]

Weirdly, I'm very happy with this signing and yet at the same time I don't expect much from him.  

 

I think he'll be the #5 receiver and will see only see limited action in specific packages - unless of course there's an injury.  

 

I think we now have a respectable, though certainly not elite, WR room.

[muppy]

1 hour ago, Bruffalo said:

Decent signing since they didn’t get anyone in the draft.

 

Lots of upside, been with bad QBs and orgs his whole career. Fast. Outside and slot ability.

 

Big fan of this.

Hallelujah.

 

Now maybe fans can calm down and wait for camp to begin stressing over the strength and weakness of our WR corps again. 

 

Why look at a signing like this with anything but optimism? I mean seriously. They didn't draft but they signed a free agent. Who would love to play for #17 in Buffalo. Helps him out of Cleveland. Helps US out of a WR "controversy"

 

WIN WIN

Edited 8 hours ago by muppy

[Fan in Chicago]

49 minutes ago, Negan said:

Do any of these WR cast offs turn into great players? 

We don't need him to be great. We need him to play a specific role of outside threat and deep ball catcher. If he serves that role well, this is a win. We don't have that role player at this time, cos I don't trust Samuel to be it. 

[transient]

1 hour ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Great! Now hopefully people will stop complaining bout losing Mack Hollins lol

Mack Hollins is irreplaceable… fight me. 

[billsfanfrom83]

Whats the over under on how many games before his dad is b****ing about how he is used here 2-3

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, nedboy7 said:

Most likely better than any Wr in the 5th we would have drafted.  BTW I definitely wanted a WR in the draft. 

and we Drated one and signed2 UDFA’s. Did you want is to use our 1st pick?😳 

[chris heff]

1 hour ago, cgang said:

Kind of serious question- does the Moore signing mean the Bills are no longer a possible landing spot for Keenan Allen?  

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2025/04/30/keenan-allen-buffalo-bills-nfl-free-agent-stats-age-chicago-bears/83364175007/

 

I’d bring him in too, reminiscent of a 33 year old James Lofton.

[Redblood]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Jeremy's argument of getting cheap labor by drafting every year or two at the position has its validity too.

Its a must when you are in salary cap purgatory 

 

i wish we would have drafted a qb late. Strictly as a backup.

 

 

lets face it, if josh goes down we are done. But a late rd pick on a roomie deal for a backup makes sense to me

47 minutes ago, billsfanfrom83 said:

Whats the over under on how many games before his dad is b****ing about how he is used here 2-3

Id say 3 tops

1 hour ago, The Wiz said:

I like the idea of a 25 yo player more than bringing a player like cooper.  Did they need it last year, yes.  Did he help, in a sense.  Either way, did you really think that the QB talent in Cleveland should have been more productive than it was?

 

I'll take a flyer on a guy who hasn't worked out with other teams over the older guy who "still kinda has it but lost a step".

Great point

[BananaB]

2 hours ago, Negan said:

Do any of these WR cast offs turn into great players? 

Bills sign their own castoffs back way too much, so I got no problem giving a guy from another team a shot every now and then. 

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Mat68 said:

They did draft one this year.  With the first pick last year. They drafted Shorter the year prior and the year before that they picked Shakir.  What are we talking about?

I meant day 2 guys like the Packers did with Watson and Doubs.  Texans did with Collins and Dell, etc...  The odds of finding a WR on day 3 are really slim.  Shakir dropping to the 5th was one of Beane's best picks.

[Malazan]

Oh, thank goodness. Our long national nightmare is finally over.

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

True,, but still need to QB who can make the throws.

 

Yep for sure

  Since we have have that in spades !

10 minutes ago, Malazan said:

Oh, thank goodness. Our long national nightmare is finally over.

well ....

[gregmo]

3 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Should have clarified.  Bottom to top. 😆

Versatile is good when needed.

[muppy]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

 

Yep for sure

  Since we have have that in spades !

well ....

our long nightmare of not having  won a Lombardi trophy yet has yet to be over.

 

I Think that is what you were thinking. Am I right?

 

I cannot dwell on past failures. Its draining and boring lol

 

m

[nedboy7]

2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

and we Drated one and signed2 UDFA’s. Did you want is to use our 1st pick?😳 

I think it was a really good draft.  I would have liked them to draft a WR in the 4th.  But I get the decision and I’m ok with the WR group we have. I think it’s a definite improvement over last years group which still produced at an elite level.