Wide Receiver Train Full Speed Ahead- CHOO CHOO!

[SoonerBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

 

 

I like Cosell,I like his pre draft evals.  Had we moved up and taken who he liked last year (BTJ)  then we wouldnt have as many issues with intermediate routes as we do now.

[RunTheBall]

I agree with Cosell 100%. We don’t need the deep ball as much as we need more consistent intermediate shots. That’s Josh’s bread and butter where he can use his arm strength and zip it in tight windows. Frankly, Josh sucks at the deep ball unless he can throw it on a rope. Brady has turned our alien into a dink and dunk master and while there’s nothing wrong with taking what the defense gives you, with the correct scheming that doesn’t have to always be behind the LOS or a bubble screen.

[Pete]

34 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

 

 

Greg is saying what I, and many, observe and post.  Brady’s concepts are fooling no one- they are so simple.  
 

Brady is basically running back same offense as last year, Hawes is the only new addition to the offense.  Same simple game plan as year- minus throwing to RBs.  Bills are a target of every team.  They study every bit of tape, and non simple, brilliant defensive coordinators game plan specific to your offense Joe.  McFly- you have to evolve!  Evolve or be irrelevant.  
 

Where are the new concepts?  Don’t say he’s saving them for the playoffs.  We are in second place chasing a young and hungry team, with a cup cake schedule.  We have to start winning.  And then not stop winning!

 

Go Bills!

Edited Thursday at 07:56 PM by Pete

[BillsShredder83]

7 hours ago, BearNorth said:

Coleman RAC ?? - with his 4.6 speed [or lack thereof]?

Look at him on the slants hes caught. Hes got long speed in spades

[Pecker]

34 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

I agree with Cosell 100%. We don’t need the deep ball as much as we need more consistent intermediate shots. That’s Josh’s bread and butter where he can use his arm strength and zip it in tight windows. Frankly, Josh sucks at the deep ball unless he can throw it on a rope. Brady has turned our alien into a dink and dunk master and while there’s nothing wrong with taking what the defense gives you, with the correct scheming that doesn’t have to always be behind the LOS or a bubble screen.

This system would work well with MacJones.  And then we’d have 40 million in extra cap space.

 

but we have Allen and this sucks

[Pete]

12 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Look at him on the slants hes caught. Hes got long speed in spades

So why doesn’t Brady design slants for Coleman?  The solution to most every offensive problem is obvious to most everyone but Brady.

 

-no more back shoulder throws/50-50 balls, more slants Keon

 

-send RBs on routes, get Cook in space

 

-on 2nd short- more play action!  And just more, a lot more, play action 

 

go 12 and 13 personal most of the game.  There are possibilities from this - try and use your imagination Joe-send Cook in motion and line him up outside- get him isolated on LB or S.  That ones free Joe.

 

So Joe

simple=bad. Imagination and brilliance- good 

cute=bad.  Smash mouth good.  Josh 80 yard TD good.

 

stagnant- bad.  Evolution-muy bueno 

Edited Thursday at 08:13 PM by Pete

[Billl]

On 10/22/2025 at 2:11 PM, Mikey152 said:

I take exception to the sentiment "we have this one of a kind Bazooka, but failed to invest"

 

Since 2020 (basically since Josh was Josh), there have been 6 drafts. In 3/6 we have used our first pick to either trade for or draft a WR/TE for Josh. So 50% of our picks have gone to try and fill like 15% of the roster. 

You failed to factor in the part where Beane also traded away the only true #1 WR Josh has ever had during that period.

[Buffalo716]

59 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

I agree with Cosell 100%. We don’t need the deep ball as much as we need more consistent intermediate shots. That’s Josh’s bread and butter where he can use his arm strength and zip it in tight windows. Frankly, Josh sucks at the deep ball unless he can throw it on a rope. Brady has turned our alien into a dink and dunk master and while there’s nothing wrong with taking what the defense gives you, with the correct scheming that doesn’t have to always be behind the LOS or a bubble screen.

Everybody says Josh Allen has a terrible deep Ball but he's been top 10 multiple times the last four years 

 

Including having the most deep ball completion the last three seasons

 

He doesn't have a Joe Namath deep ball but it absolutely is not bad.. a deep ball in the NFL is anything over 20 yards... 

 

Nobody has a crazy high completion percentage on balls 45 yards down the field lol if you're throwing a ball 40 or 50 yards down the field Josh Allen is still right up there for who you want throwing it

Edited Thursday at 08:29 PM by Buffalo716

[Billsfanatixs]

Roll with the best players we have, put one of our rbs in the slot, we have multiple play makers in the backfield. 

[Warriorspikes51]

12 minutes ago, Billsfanatixs said:

Roll with the best players we have, put one of our rbs in the slot, we have multiple play makers in the backfield. 

this may work okay…until the playoffs when all our players are being held and can’t get open / draw flags.  Get an alpha….although it would be rather shocking if we did

[Gunsgoodtime]

This thread could be 4 years old

[Ga boy]

3 hours ago, Pete said:

So why doesn’t Brady design slants for Coleman?  The solution to most every offensive problem is obvious to most everyone but Brady.

 

-no more back shoulder throws/50-50 balls, more slants Keon

 

-send RBs on routes, get Cook in space

 

-on 2nd short- more play action!  And just more, a lot more, play action 

 

go 12 and 13 personal most of the game.  There are possibilities from this - try and use your imagination Joe-send Cook in motion and line him up outside- get him isolated on LB or S.  That ones free Joe.

 

So Joe

simple=bad. Imagination and brilliance- good 

cute=bad.  Smash mouth good.  Josh 80 yard TD good.

 

stagnant- bad.  Evolution-muy bueno 

Good points Pete, but maybe we’re not giving Brady enough credit.  Coleman draws the best DB and takes him to the boundary, which should be opening up lanes for others eg - Shakir, Cook, Kincaid.  I agree that we need to see more intermediate JA17 missiles.  

[JBI$111]

4 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I like Cosell,I like his pre draft evals.  Had we moved up and taken who he liked last year (BTJ)  then we wouldnt have as many issues with intermediate routes as we do now.

 

Cosell is great...

 

And yes, we've grossly mismanage the wide receiver position and continued to grossly under-invest in that position by not drafting and investing in the proper level of talent for Josh over many many years by Beane.

Edited Thursday at 11:48 PM by JBI$111

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Everybody says Josh Allen has a terrible deep Ball but he's been top 10 multiple times the last four years 

 

Including having the most deep ball completion the last three seasons

 

He doesn't have a Joe Namath deep ball but it absolutely is not bad.. a deep ball in the NFL is anything over 20 yards... 

 

Nobody has a crazy high completion percentage on balls 45 yards down the field lol if you're throwing a ball 40 or 50 yards down the field Josh Allen is still right up there for who you want throwing it

It only take a few long completions to change a game. Or a narrative

[ColoradoBills]

On 10/19/2025 at 12:33 AM, LABILLBACKER said:

Olave or Waddle...anything else is just repeating previous mistakes.  And it still chaps my ass to think all Beane would've had to give Seattle is a 2nd round pick for DK....let that sink in when you're thinking about TJ Sanders.

 

On 10/22/2025 at 8:21 AM, Pete said:

 

 

This Waddle trade to the Bills is a crazy thought to me.............but let's look at it this way.

 

Would Bills fans give up a WR like Waddle for a 2nd round pick (and even a throw in pick) to lose that WR AND take a $23M dead cap hit in 2026?

This board would BURN BEANE to the ground if he did that.

 

If Miami is stupid enough to do that.............I'm all for it.

Don't count on it.

[Solomon Grundy]

12 hours ago, Slack_in_MA said:

Ridley’s hurt. You want that?

So is Gabe Davis 

[Pete]

Its not hindsight, it was obvious to everyone but the Bills Front Office-

 

Reddit 7 months ago

Bills wide receiver room is not going to cut it 

Shakir, Coleman, Palmer and Samuel as your top 4 is simply not good enough. That might be bottom 5 in the league. I’m not sure how anyone could go into this season thinking we’re going to compete for a Super Bowl with that kind of talent. Change my mind.

•7mo ago

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. This is the EXACT SAME THING everyone said about our WR room last year and the offense had the best season in Bills history. 

I think it's time we accept that Josh Allendoesn't need elite WRs to produce.

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audi27tt

•7mo ago

Yes and leaving the TE/RBs out of the passing game conversation is missing the point of the scheme. That said I think we still need one more WR, just doesn't need to be a superstar.

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•7mo ago

Couldn’t throw down field at all against KC. Hit Hollins what twice? They need a speed guy to stretch the secondary

 

[BillsFanForever19]

I think Meyers or Shaheed is the best we're going to do.

 

Olave isn't happening bc they're both (Olave and the Saints) trying to get an extension done. A.J. Brown isn't going anywhere. Garrett Wilson most likely isn't going anywhere and if he does, it 100% won't be to us. Same with Jaylen Waddle.

 

Brian Thomas Jr. *might* have a small, outside shot of being moved, if the Jags are blown away by an offer. But they came out to say he won't. I think we should still try - but I don't think it's very likely.

 

Lockett being signed today is probably a sign that the Raiders will be moving Meyers. And again, there's a good chance he's the best we can do. Try and swing for BTJ. But if Meyers is what we can do, we should do it. He's a clear upgrade over anyone in the WR room not named Shakir. Same goes for Shaheed.

 

Go get one of them, get Davis on the field as soon as you can. Have them replace Shavers and Moore on the active roster (or Samuel if he gets hurt again) and hope for the best. Obviously, fans want more than that. But any potential upgrade is better than nothing at all. And it's likely this or nothing at all.

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[dorquemada]

8 minutes ago, Pete said:

Its not hindsight, it was obvious to everyone but the Bills Front Office-

 

Reddit 7 months ago

Bills wide receiver room is not going to cut it 

Shakir, Coleman, Palmer and Samuel as your top 4 is simply not good enough. That might be bottom 5 in the league. I’m not sure how anyone could go into this season thinking we’re going to compete for a Super Bowl with that kind of talent. Change my mind.

•7mo ago

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. This is the EXACT SAME THING everyone said about our WR room last year and the offense had the best season in Bills history. 

I think it's time we accept that Josh Allendoesn't need elite WRs to produce.

96

audi27tt

•7mo ago

Yes and leaving the TE/RBs out of the passing game conversation is missing the point of the scheme. That said I think we still need one more WR, just doesn't need to be a superstar.

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•7mo ago

Couldn’t throw down field at all against KC. Hit Hollins what twice? They need a speed guy to stretch the secondary

 

 

Hollins was the one guy who showed against KC and we let him walk.  

[Success]

Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:

I think Meyers or Shaheed is the best we're going to do.

 

Olave isn't happening bc they're both (Olave and the Saints) trying to get an extension done. A.J. Brown isn't going anywhere. Garrett Wilson most likely isn't going anywhere and if he does, it 100% won't be to us. Same with Jaylen Waddle.

 

Brian Thomas Jr. *might* have a small, outside shot of being moved, if the Jags are blown away by an offer. But they came out to say he won't. I think we should still try - but I don't think it's very likely.

 

Lockett being signed today is probably a sign that the Raiders will be moving Meyers. And again, there's a good chance he's the best we can do. Try and swing for BTJ. But if Meyers is what we can do, we should do it. He's a clear upgrade over anyone in the WR room not named Shakir. Same goes for Shaheed.

 

I'd be excited for Meyers.  Like you said, he's an upgrade, and the attention defenses would give him might open up things for the other receivers a bit more.