Doc Brown Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 7:48 PM, Big Turk said: Prescott had too many issues winning against anyone of note on the road to be in the convo. Expand He had better numbers than Lamar and Josh last year. Lamar has better numbers this year. Prescott should be the comparison of why voters who gave the award to Lamar last year should've given it to Allen this year. Quote
Matt_In_NH Posted January 10 Posted January 10 THe other two times Lamar was MVP he was also AP1... Quote
T.E. Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 7:47 PM, tigerthelion said: Also, Josh Allen had some stuff on social media from when he was a teenager, that came out years ago. Some journalists certainly have not forgotten that. Expand Yes, quoting rap lyrics was an unforgivable sin to the same people who are fine with guys like Brandon Marshall (multiple arrests for beating wife) and Michael Vick (dog-fighting vice lord) getting media gigs after "redeeming" themselves. On 1/10/2025 at 7:53 PM, C.Biscuit97 said: Let’s be honest: if the stats were reversed and Allen beat Lamar helped the Bills beat the Ravens 35–10, we would riot if Lamar got the MVP. Expand Allen had over 50% more total TDs than Lamar last year, Lamar still won MVP, and there was no rioting then. 1 Quote
Scott7975 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 7:21 PM, Yobogoya! said: If the Ravens drop this weekend’s game to the Steelers, I think Lamar’s MVP chances go up in smoke. It’s supposed to be a regular season award, but how can they give the guy more MVP’s than he has playoff wins? I mean come on… Expand The votes for that were already in this past Wednesday. MVP has already been decided. It just isnt announced until SB week. Quote
MikePJ76 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) We have our new nickname for the Defense. We need them to play angry starting sunday. I give you. The No All Pro's. has a nice ring to it. Go win the superbowl and put them on the cover of SI with that headline, How the No All Pro's won a championship. yes I know magazines are dead Edited January 10 by MikePJ76 Quote
GoBills808 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 7:53 PM, C.Biscuit97 said: Let’s be honest: if the stats were reversed and Allen beat Lamar helped the Bills beat the Ravens 35–10, we would riot if Lamar got the MVP. Expand give me a break lol the rioting last year was because 1 dude out of 50 had the temerity to deny Jackson a second unanimous MVP 2 1 Quote
Big Turk Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 7:52 PM, transient said: 5 rushing TDs W/L 5-5 3 rushing TDs W/L 2-4 I think the Ravens have lost a little differently in the playoffs than the Bills have. Expand The Ravens lose in large part BECAUSE of Lamar, The Bills almost never lose because of Allen. Lamar is a replacement level player in the playoffs. 1 1 1 Quote
Kaenon Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1st team All-Pro QB / NFL MVP... 2015: Newton / Newton 2016: Ryan / Ryan 2017: Brady / Brady 2018: Mahomes / Mahomes 2019: Jackson / Jackson 2020: Rodgers / Rodgers 2021: Rodgers / Rodgers 2022: Mahomes / Mahomes 2023: Jackson / Jackson 2024: Jackson / ??? 1 2 1 Quote
Pecos Bills Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 7:16 PM, Big Turk said: Look at what happens to Lamar when Henry struggles. That tells the story. Henry is the MVP of that team, not Lamar. If Cook struggles, Josh just goes nuclear. Expand Exactly right. Henry joining the Ravens this year is the reason Lamar had the best statistical season of his career so far. His next best season was 2019, which was the only other time he had a 1000 yard rusher (Mark Ingram). He's a great player but way more dependent on his supporting cast than Josh. 2 Quote
No_Matter_What Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 6:21 PM, Mikie2times said: Odds are updating to be implied at about 65%. Still the favorite, but he's dropping for sure. Expand Source? https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/mvp/ To me it seems that nothing has changed, he is still a huge favorite at most sites. Quote
Mikie2times Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 7:02 PM, T.E. said: Stats didn't matter last year and that's why Lamar deserved it in 2023, but stats are the only thing that is important this year and that's why Lamar also deserves it for 2024. Three MVPs with his overall resumé is beyond laughable. Expand Stats did matter last year. But no year in NFL history has QB not been able to win it on the merit of his passing stats alone. That isn't fair in Bills fans eyes, but it's been consistent. These are the updated odds from an offshore book On 1/10/2025 at 8:08 PM, No_Matter_What said: Source? https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/mvp/ To me it seems that nothing has changed, he is still a huge favorite at most sites. Expand Those didn't update I guess, but I just checked Bovada and sure enough 1 Quote
BearNorth Posted January 10 Posted January 10 This travesty makes McDermott a shoe in for coach of the year. How does a team win 13* games with 1 All-Pro? [* Asterisk is because we didn't play most of our starters in the Finale] Quote
BigDingus Posted January 10 Posted January 10 I'm gonna be SO pissed if Allen doesn't win MVP. Many people have told me all year that they don't care, it's all about the Super Bowl. But I care, and I'm greedy. Super Bowl for the team achievement, and MVP for Allen. Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 5:11 PM, Process said: Expand What Ari says is true to the point of it being the same voters. I actually think it strengthens the case it will be Allen as some may very well have said "Well it's close so I'll take Lamar for this and Allen for that" to kinda split their voting. 1 Quote
DapperCam Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 8:38 PM, BuffaloBillyG said: What Ari says is true to the point of it being the same voters. I actually think it strengthens the case it will be Allen as some may very well have said "Well it's close so I'll take Lamar for this and Allen for that" to kinda split their voting. Expand That has never happened before, but maybe this year will be the first time. Quote
DD4Bills Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 7:25 PM, The Wiz said: Elway was the only one I believe. Expand It's not just QBs...every MVP since Elway in 1987 has been a 1st Team All Pro (Elway was 2nd Team that year). Most have been QBs, but the list since 1987 also includes a few RBs (Thurmon, Emmitt Smith, Terrell Davis, Marshall Faulk, Shaun Alexander, LaDainian Tomlinson, and Adrian Peterson). Josh getting passed over again (most likely) is just more fuel for the fire. Quote
Doc Brown Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 8:40 PM, DD4Bills said: It's not just QBs...every MVP since Elway in 1987 has been a 1st Team All Pro (Elway was 2nd Team that year). Most have been QBs, but the list since 1987 also includes a few RBs (Thurmon, Emmitt Smith, Terrell Davis, Marshall Faulk, Shaun Alexander, LaDainian Tomlinson, and Adrian Peterson). Josh getting passed over again (most likely) is just more fuel for the fire. Expand If I were an MVP voter I pry would give Lamar the first team All Pro nod and Allen the MVP. History obviously isn't on Allen's side but this is a unique MVP race considering what happened last year. 1 Quote
BRH Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 7:25 PM, The Wiz said: Elway was the only one I believe. Expand Which seems appropriate, since Josh as a QB is everything people used to say Elway was, except a LOT more so. 1 Quote
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