Captain Hindsight Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 hour ago, gjv said: Joe Douglas is doing an excellent job of putting together a playoff roster. I wonder if Robert Saleh is capable of utilizing it. Don’t worry, he’s keep receipts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Wow. Good player. I wanted the Bills to consider him a couple of years ago. I am actually getting a little concerned about the Jets. Yeah, I know, they're the Jets, but they are undoubtedly amassing talent and if Rogers is healthy, he'll likely be an upper echelon QB still because of his incredible arm and on-field intelligence. But they are old. In a lot of spots. The Eagles won a straight up swap of Huff for Reddick IMO. 3 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Wow. Good player. I wanted the Bills to consider him a couple of years ago. I am actually getting a little concerned about the Jets. Yeah, I know, they're the Jets, but they are undoubtedly amassing talent and if Rogers is healthy, he'll likely be an upper echelon QB still because of his incredible arm and on-field intelligence. Who is their OL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 hour ago, Logic said: As I just saw pointed out on Twitter: Yes, the Jets got 29 year old Reddick, but they LOST 25 year old Bryce Huff who is coming off a career year with 10 sacks. Reddick and Huff had an identical 22% pass rush win rate last year. Huff had one less sack on 289 (!) less rushes. So the Eagles got the younger, arguably equally productive player by signing Huff, then turned around and took advantage of the Jets' sudden need for a pass rusher by trading them the older Reddick and getting a 2nd round pick and $10 million in cap space in return. So the Jets added a good player in Reddick, yes, but its arguably a wash with having lost Huff, but they got older and gave up a premium pick to do it. Howie Roseman win, Joe Douglas loss. You’re really trying to pretend that Bryce Huff is as good as Haasan Reddick? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 2 hours ago, bills742 said: This is pretty funny 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: But they are old. In a lot of spots. The Eagles won a straight up swap of Huff for Reddick IMO. Concur. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Rushing the passer won’t be a problem for the jets their weakness is covering backs out of the backfield as Miami and Buffalo exposed late in the season. They don’t really have many guys who are good at doing that. Now who knows what the draft holds but this is a good move for the jets but it also doesn’t really solve their biggest defensive flaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 3 hours ago, bills742 said: No team in the NFC wants to dominate. All the talent needs to go to AFC apparently 🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 47 minutes ago, Billl said: You’re really trying to pretend that Bryce Huff is as good as Haasan Reddick? You know Bills fans … many of them enjoy ridiculing every other team, despite not actually winning anything themselves. Fans that can’t acknowledge that other teams are good and will challenge the Bills are tiresome IMO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 55 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: But they are old. In a lot of spots. The Eagles won a straight up swap of Huff for Reddick IMO. The Jets have been building the best injured-list-bound roster in the league the past 2 offseasons. I wonder if Douglas sees something in Hasaan that makes him think this is the year he gets injured a lot? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, Billl said: You’re really trying to pretend that Bryce Huff is as good as Haasan Reddick? It’s Huff at a smaller deal + a third vs Reddick at a larger deal. Huff doesn’t have to be better than Reddick today to win the trade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 3 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: Probably a lot. His last 4 seasons were: 12.5 sacks, 11 , 16 and 11 sacks. Premium position , gotta be north of 20 mil I would think Basically what we've been paying Von Miller...🤢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 2 hours ago, Billl said: You’re really trying to pretend that Bryce Huff is as good as Haasan Reddick? What Reddick has over Huff is that he's been good for a longer period of time. Double digit sacks in four straight seasons. But Huff had a career year last year and seems to be blossoming into an imposing pass rusher himself. As I pointed out in my post, they two players had an identical 22% pass rush win rate last year. As I also pointed out in my thread, Huff had just 1 less sack than Reddick, but on 289 less attempts. That's significant. So yes, I'm suggesting that what Huff became last year may be roughly equal to what Reddick is now. I admit that Reddick has the proven longevity factor that Huff lacks, and perhaps you're insinuating that Huff's 2023 success was a flash in the pan, not likely to be duplicated. Me? I'll take the 25 year old and the 2nd round pick over the 29 year old and the lack of that pick. YMMV. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 5 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said: Jets continue to win the pre season every year. Damn, I really wanted that pre-season Lombardi trophy: 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 5 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Wow. Good player. I wanted the Bills to consider him a couple of years ago. I am actually getting a little concerned about the Jets. Yeah, I know, they're the Jets, but they are undoubtedly amassing talent and if Rogers is healthy, he'll likely be an upper echelon QB still because of his incredible arm and on-field intelligence. Yeah yeah. We heard the same story last year. Rodgers is finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 27 minutes ago, Logic said: What Reddick has over Huff is that he's been good for a longer period of time. Double digit sacks in four straight seasons. But Huff had a career year last year and seems to be blossoming into an imposing pass rusher himself. As I pointed out in my post, they two players had an identical 22% pass rush win rate last year. As I also pointed out in my thread, Huff had just 1 less sack than Reddick, but on 289 less attempts. That's significant. So yes, I'm suggesting that what Huff became last year may be roughly equal to what Reddick is now. I admit that Reddick has the proven longevity factor that Huff lacks, and perhaps you're insinuating that Huff's 2023 success was a flash in the pan, not likely to be duplicated. Me? I'll take the 25 year old and the 2nd round pick over the 29 year old and the lack of that pick. YMMV. Huff might be better three years from now and it may put NY in a worse draft and cap position three year from now, but the Jets aren’t trying to win three years from now. They’re all in right now, and Reddick is a much better player today. Huff had a career year from a sack standpoint, but Reddick still had more while being a much better overall player. I’m not a huge believer in “approximate value” metrics, but Reddick was an 8 last year, and Huff was a 2. The year before, Reddick was a 15, and Huff was a 1. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HuffBr00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReddHa00.htm That said, I don’t really disagree with anything you said up until the ‘Douglas loss, Howie win’ part. Philly’s been to two Superbowls and won one in the last 6 years. They’re trying to build for the long-term. The Jets don’t have that luxury. They’re taking a rifle shot at winning now. This “trade” furthers both of their interests, IMO. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 3 hours ago, buffblue said: Don't they still have Saleh, Hackett, a declining 40 year old qb coming off an Achilles injury, and an Oline that will be on IR by week 6? Injuries will be their major hurdle but that is a very good roster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 18 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Injuries will be their major hurdle but that is a very good roster. They don't scare me in the least. If they had a better coaching staff perhaps, but that team is a clown show. But hey, it seems they are shaping up as the offseason champions again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 8 minutes ago, buffblue said: They don't scare me in the least. If they had a better coaching staff perhaps, but that team is a clown show. But hey, it seems they are shaping up as the offseason champions again I would prefer the "clown show" not be opener for Bills. Sometimes you are surprised when the clowns come out of the small car. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 13 minutes ago, buffblue said: They don't scare me in the least. If they had a better coaching staff perhaps, but that team is a clown show. But hey, it seems they are shaping up as the offseason champions again They’ve been pretty quiet this offseason, just building one of the best rosters in the league. Say what you want about Saleh but when he arrived they were 2-14 with one of the worst rosters in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 7 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: And we needed him. We should have made the trade. So your argument is that the management teams of the Eagles and Bills have made yet another error after disappointing seasons cut short in the playoffs while the current management team of the Jets who hasn't made the playoffs for 5 years is making all the right moves and have assembled a "dream team" with yet another of their annual off-season championships? 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They’ve been pretty quiet this offseason, just building one of the best rosters in the league. Say what you want about Saleh but when he arrived they were 2-14 with one of the worst rosters in the league. Robert Saleh has managed to win as many games in a single season as Adam Gase. He's truly reached the heights of success. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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