Teddy KGB Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) meanwhile all us pitbull owners are over here happy like. https://www.facebook.com/share/r/ccsTgfRoGZxgL4HZ/?mibextid=LvJtn9 Edited February 27 by Teddy KGB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, boyst said: There is a way. Don't open it. Don't read it. Don't reply. It's hard to be responsible, I guess just for the record I did discover I am able to sort threads by the number of views. It's my choice what I wish to see. And don't tell me what to do it's rude. Tell me banning a breed dogs isn't a political opinion. The discussion is banning them . Let's not be disingenuous. it IS political when states already do outright ban them. Several. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/pitbull-legal-states Edited February 27 by muppy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 minute ago, muppy said: just for the record I did discover I am able to sort threads by the number of views. It's my choice what I wish to see. And don't tell me what to to it's rude. Tell me banning a breed dogs isn't a political opinion. The discussion is banning them . Let's not be disingenuous. it IS political when states already do outright ban them. Several. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/pitbull-legal-states I kind of touched on this earlier, but I have no idea how they can do this in a practical and accurate way. Does every dog get a DNA test? How much is too much? I’m not big on people telling me what I can or can’t do in the first place, but something like this does not seem practically enforceable. What am I missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 17 minutes ago, Augie said: I kind of touched on this earlier, but I have no idea how they can do this in a practical and accurate way. Does every dog get a DNA test? How much is too much? I’m not big on people telling me what I can or can’t do in the first place, but something like this does not seem practically enforceable. What am I missing? Augie it likely is a measurement of their head circumferences and body type. Muscular builds. I'm really not sure don't quote me. It would be as random as some breed standard measurements. Testing would be too expensive. Owners might need to provide some sort of test to prove it is "legal" I need to exit this thread. Flame away . Not you specifically Augie. In general. I'm done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 29 minutes ago, muppy said: just for the record I did discover I am able to sort threads by the number of views. It's my choice what I wish to see. And don't tell me what to do it's rude. Tell me banning a breed dogs isn't a political opinion. The discussion is banning them . Let's not be disingenuous. it IS political when states already do outright ban them. Several. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/pitbull-legal-states i'm sorry that my words hurt you. 24 minutes ago, Augie said: I kind of touched on this earlier, but I have no idea how they can do this in a practical and accurate way. Does every dog get a DNA test? How much is too much? I’m not big on people telling me what I can or can’t do in the first place, but something like this does not seem practically enforceable. What am I missing? it would be the same way home owners insurance works. many include the type of breed on the insurance of the home. it's up to the owner to surrender the information but ultimately up to the insurance to make the verdict. in most cases it is when the breed is 50% or greater in all forms of animal control/livestock/breed identification. Edited February 27 by boyst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 What I don't understand is why we are willing to accept that certain dogs have certain behaviors because of breeding, such as an instinct to herd, but we won't also recognize that other dogs have been bred to kill things. The point of every terrier is to hunt and kill something, it just is. Most of them are small so the damage they can do is limited and most of them are no longer selected for that instinct so it is lessened over time, just like any other dog breed group. A herding dog you get from a breeder selling pets isn't going to be as good at herding as a herding dog who has continued to be selectively bred and used to actually herd but the instinct is still there. If you buy a large dog who has been selectively bred over a long period of time to actively attack and kill things that instinct is there, just like with a random collie and herding. I don't get this willful disconnect between what is normal and expected behavior from one breed to another. Why can we just ignore the purpose of the dog? It's why it exists. I'm glad you have dogs that are well trained and listen, and I agree that any dog can bite and cause injury, and I also agree that in many cases poor dog behavior is caused by poor ownership. The person across the street is a very nice person, the dog is treated well, it doesn't have any of the built in excuses we've made for it. The dog is an actual, not theoretical, killer. It attacked and killed another dog who didn't do a thing other than walk past its house. It leapt out a second story window to do that. If you have a large dog from a breed that was specifically bred by man to hunt and kill other large animals and continually selected due to its aggression and propensity for violence I'm not coming to your house nor can your dog come to mine. I've asked my neighbor not to walk his dog in front of my property and he doesn't. That seems reasonable to me. I also don't walk past his house on that side of the street and my children have been advised to avoid that house in general and to never ever run past it or ring the doorbell. Almost every other house on the block has at least one dog, that's the only house with that rule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 On 2/25/2024 at 9:38 PM, boyst said: Pitts can be good dogs. They can be bad dogs. But they're always dangerous. We domesticated dogs for our defense and to help hunt and kill prey. Not for cuddling. They've become wonderful pets but people just need to understand the caliber of weapon they are exposing others too. Which is largely dependent on the breed. If you want to own more potentially dangerous dogs keep them under lock and key and if they get out and hurt someone understand that it's the same as you hurting that person and you should expect to be prosecuted accordingly. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 23 minutes ago, muppy said: just for the record I did discover I am able to sort threads by the number of views. It's my choice what I wish to see. And don't tell me what to do it's rude. Tell me banning a breed dogs isn't a political opinion. The discussion is banning them . Let's not be disingenuous. it IS political when states already do outright ban them. Several. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/pitbull-legal-states I really don't want to turn this thread political. Expressing an opinion about a popular breed that accounts for 68% of fatalities and severe injuries is more of a public service announcement that has two sides to the story. A group who has experienced great companionship with this breed (such as Teddy, SoTier, etc.) and another group who questions the well documented risk of exposing friends, children and elderly to severe injury or death. Regulation does not equal banning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Just now, BringBackFergy said: I really don't want to turn this thread political. Expressing an opinion about a popular breed that accounts for 68% of fatalities and severe injuries is more of a public service announcement that has two sides to the story. A group who has experienced great companionship with this breed (such as Teddy, SoTier, etc.) and another group who questions the well documented risk of exposing friends, children and elderly to severe injury or death. Regulation does not equal banning. I took care of my issue with the thread placement I'm actually fine with any discussion. I've just never been a fan of PPP type stuff. And you also know I tell it as I see it. we're good Fergy. God Bless you brother. No snark.Peace out 🙂 m 13 minutes ago, boyst said: i'm sorry that my words hurt you. it would be the same way home owners insurance works. many include the type of breed on the insurance of the home. it's up to the owner to surrender the information but ultimately up to the insurance to make the verdict. in most cases it is when the breed is 50% or greater in all forms of animal control/livestock/breed identification. last Last LAST word in the pittie discussion. wifey is a vet eh? I know a few. HIGH STRESS job. Give her my props. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 8 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: I really don't want to turn this thread political. Expressing an opinion about a popular breed that accounts for 68% of fatalities and severe injuries is more of a public service announcement that has two sides to the story. A group who has experienced great companionship with this breed (such as Teddy, SoTier, etc.) and another group who questions the well documented risk of exposing friends, children and elderly to severe injury or death. Regulation does not equal banning. Breeding them should absolutely be banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 great dogs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 6 minutes ago, muppy said: last Last LAST word in the pittie discussion. wifey is a vet eh? I know a few. HIGH STRESS job. Give her my props. @boyst is she still mad at me? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 1 minute ago, LeviF said: @boyst is she still mad at me? lmao do I know you? 😇 Edited February 27 by muppy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 minutes ago, muppy said: lmao do I know you? 😇 lol I meant his wife 😅 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 15 minutes ago, LeviF said: @boyst is she still mad at me? you did say real doctors are only MD's... 12 minutes ago, LeviF said: lol I meant his wife 😅 i don't know if you watch rick and morty. it's great. lots of jokes about Diane being a doctor but not a real doctor... just a horse doctor. clearly someone on the show had a vet in their family with all the vet jokes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I have two pitbulls and recently adopted a barn cat. The cat and my pitbulls loved each other immediately and they are inseparable. My older pit sleeps with my 9 year old son. My son's best friend across the street comes over with his pitbull to play with my pits. I have a dog play ramp with artificial grass over the top and a dig pit for them to dig. I pet sit on Rover.com. I take my pit bulls to the dog park and have for years. They are the most gentle, sweetest dogs you will ever meet. Most pitbull attacks are falsely identified as pitbulls. Most people assume a mix breed dog that they can't identify the breed is a pit and most of the times it's not. Just because it's mixed doesn't mean it's a pit. Just like if a person is Asian, doesn't mean he's Chinese. So the statistics you are using are inaccurate and that is painting a negative picture. Pitbulls are great. People aren't. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 hour ago, muppy said: I took care of my issue with the thread placement I'm actually fine with any discussion. I've just never been a fan of PPP type stuff. And you also know I tell it as I see it. we're good Fergy. God Bless you brother. No snark.Peace out 🙂 m last Last LAST word in the pittie discussion. wifey is a vet eh? I know a few. HIGH STRESS job. Give her my props. Dr. Pol gets *&*& done and doesn't seem all that stressed out, Mup. For what it's worth, I think you may be a tad too close on this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 32 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Rather just ban you, and keep the dogs tbh make a new thread with a poll for this 😁 41 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I have two pitbulls and recently adopted a barn cat. The cat and my pitbulls loved each other immediately and they are inseparable. My older pit sleeps with my 9 year old son. My son's best friend across the street comes over with his pitbull to play with my pits. I have a dog play ramp with artificial grass over the top and a dig pit for them to dig. I pet sit on Rover.com. I take my pit bulls to the dog park and have for years. They are the most gentle, sweetest dogs you will ever meet. Most pitbull attacks are falsely identified as pitbulls. Most people assume a mix breed dog that they can't identify the breed is a pit and most of the times it's not. Just because it's mixed doesn't mean it's a pit. Just like if a person is Asian, doesn't mean he's Chinese. So the statistics you are using are inaccurate and that is painting a negative picture. Pitbulls are great. People aren't. it's not fun unless you have a completely embedded and entrenched view that is firm and over the top to a whimsical level. bringing in levelheadedess is boring! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Pretty good circlejerk yall got going on in here. I'll just say this... Pitbulls Rottweilers German Shepherds Mastiffs Irish Wolfhounds Boxers Akitas Plott Hounds Dobermans Rhodesian Ridgebacks Really, any breed that can get over 60lbs. All potentially very dangerous dogs. So ban em all if that's your solution. All the issues at our local dog park over the last few years involve German Shepherds. Incredibly aggressive, uncontrollable dogs that have been bred to kill. If you really care about safety, can't just stop at one breed. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 hours ago, That's No Moon said: What I don't understand is why we are willing to accept that certain dogs have certain behaviors because of breeding, such as an instinct to herd, but we won't also recognize that other dogs have been bred to kill things. The point of every terrier is to hunt and kill something, it just is. Most of them are small so the damage they can do is limited and most of them are no longer selected for that instinct so it is lessened over time, just like any other dog breed group. Airdale Terriers are fairly big but I have never come across a mean one. I would get one in a second but my wife is highly allergic to dogs and cats. I am however told that they will eat your furniture if they don't get proper exercise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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