Get excited... change is NOW with a youth wave!!!

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, SWATeam said:

I think there is hope that Von bounces back a year removed from the injury 

That’s usually how it works if it’s going to for most players with ACL injuries, 

[Gregg]

1 hour ago, SWATeam said:

I think there is hope that Von bounces back a year removed from the injury 

 

Hope you are right, but he will be 35 next season.

[Fan in Chicago]

7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

This team is actually going through some drastic changes this offseason... it has me excited!!!

Kudos for injecting the enthusiasm here. I admit I am still not feeling too great after losing yet again to the Chiefs in the playoffs.

But good to read your post and I hope this offseason brings the changes needed for us to finally get over the hump

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

And I'm not in a rush to bring any of our big ticket free agents back to be honest. I'd be interested in DaQuan if he is willing to take a 1 year deal and AJE if he ends up not finding his value on the market and circles back on a reasonable deal. But Gabe Davis, Micah Hyde, Leonard Floyd, Jordan Phillips, Tim Settle, Poona Ford... they can all go. 

 

Of that list, I would like to bring Floyd back especially if we make the tough (and correct) decision to let Miller go. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I don't think this is right, there are no savings if you waive Von, it makes the cap worse for this year, if you do it post 6/1 it is neutral and has a big dead cap in 25 also.

 

Not true. Designated as a post June 1 cut Von saves $6.7m on this year's cap. The cap hit in 2025 is $15m whether you cut him as a post 1 June or after the 2024 season. So that money has been factored in any way. The only thing they lose is the ability to spread that $15m over two years - 2025 and 2026 by cutting him a year earlier than they originally planned. 

 

Of course it means you have $17m of dead cap this year that they were not planning for. But it does not make the cap worse. That money is there whether Von plays or not. The only question that it raises is:

 

Do you want Von Miller at $23.7m or Player X at $6.7m on the roster in 2024? 

 

And for me I think Von's toast. Give me player X. 

Edited February 5 by GunnerBill

[Matt_In_NH]

22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Not true. Designated as a post June 1 cut Von saves $6.7m on this year's cap. The cap hit in 2025 is $15m whether you cut him as a post 1 June or after the 2024 season. So that money has been factored in any way. The only thing they lose is the ability to spread that $15m over two years - 2025 and 2026 by cutting him a year earlier than they originally planned. 

 

Of course it means you have $17m of dead cap this year that they were not planning for. But it does not make the cap worse. That money is there whether Von plays or not. The only question that it raises is:

 

Do you want Von Miller at $23.7m or Player X at $6.7m on the roster in 2024? 

 

And for me I think Von's toast. Give me player X. 

You are right, I was looking at the wrong column for this years hit.   Said differently making him a post june 1 you take you are spreading out this years dead cap (32.5M) over 2 years.    I guess it comes down to if you think he can return to form, if he does you should keep him.  You dont think so, I am not so sure, he was starting to show something but I understand your postion

[Don Otreply]

27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Not true. Designated as a post June 1 cut Von saves $6.7m on this year's cap. The cap hit in 2025 is $15m whether you cut him as a post 1 June or after the 2024 season. So that money has been factored in any way. The only thing they lose is the ability to spread that $15m over two years - 2025 and 2026 by cutting him a year earlier than they originally planned. 

 

Of course it means you have $17m of dead cap this year that they were not planning for. But it does not make the cap worse. That money is there whether Von plays or not. The only question that it raises is:

 

Do you want Von Miller at $23.7m or Player X at $6.7m on the roster in 2024? 

 

And for me I think Von's toast. Give me player X. 

I believe you are correct. The more one gives the Von question thought, the more it appears he needs to be part of Bills history…

[colin]

im under the impression that diggs and knox have unworkable contracts, and von has a nearly unworkable one (at least for the upcoming season).

 

i'd expect to get rid of tre, hope von improves, ride diggs and knox due to contract (knox is likely gonezo as soon as a window opens tho).

 

i think it is 50/50 on morse, he's a good player but old and expensive and if bates is nearly as good it's not a stretch to just ride w "the master" lol.

 

poyer im thinking the keep on a small contract just because mcd is allergic to a young D (pause, lol, funny post this is!).

 

reflecting on the first post in this thread -- we have a really old team and the O isn't that old at all (morse, dawkins, 28 who's leaving, diggs is like just 30), so as we all know, the d is geriatric.  imo this is a big part of why our d breaks down horribly at the end of every flipping year in the playoffs.

 

re staffing the d w some cheaper younger guys should leave us absolutely no worse off come the divisional round, and maybe better.

[finn]

5 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Now the Youth movement begins use free agency to add 2 new Safeties. The safeties market in free agency is loaded this yr u have players like Stone, Chinn, Savage, McKinney, Gardner Johnson & Whitehead available get a pair here and move on.

Don't forget Dugger from the Patriots. He'd be expensive, and he's a strong safety, which they have in Poyer, but he's a terrific player. From what I remember, McDermott wanted to draft him. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

4 minutes ago, finn said:

Don't forget Dugger from the Patriots. He'd be expensive, and he's a strong safety, which they have in Poyer, but he's a terrific player. From what I remember, McDermott wanted to draft him. 

I would love Duggar or Winfield Jr but in think they are too pricey for us. That's why I didn't add them to the list.

[boyst]

42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Not true. Designated as a post June 1 cut Von saves $6.7m on this year's cap. The cap hit in 2025 is $15m whether you cut him as a post 1 June or after the 2024 season. So that money has been factored in any way. The only thing they lose is the ability to spread that $15m over two years - 2025 and 2026 by cutting him a year earlier than they originally planned. 

 

Of course it means you have $17m of dead cap this year that they were not planning for. But it does not make the cap worse. That money is there whether Von plays or not. The only question that it raises is:

 

Do you want Von Miller at $23.7m or Player X at $6.7m on the roster in 2024? 

 

And for me I think Von's toast. Give me player X. 

i can't his "agree x 100" so i had to reply.

 

for $6.7mm you can get a Floyd type player on a prove it deal, though he was technically ($7mm). Or multiple players like Rapp, Lawson, Harris, Sherfield = $6.5mm

 

All of them contributed more than Miller

10 minutes ago, finn said:

Don't forget Dugger from the Patriots. He'd be expensive, and he's a strong safety, which they have in Poyer, but he's a terrific player. From what I remember, McDermott wanted to draft him. 

I am going to do some fishing come closer to draft time. A friend of mine started at DB with him at LR.

[colin]

miller had his best game vs kc, and we have only like 4 dl on contract next season.  as much as i think we might want to move on, i think there is a chance he comes back to form next season and the front office won't give up on him.

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Not true. Designated as a post June 1 cut Von saves $6.7m on this year's cap. The cap hit in 2025 is $15m whether you cut him as a post 1 June or after the 2024 season. So that money has been factored in any way. The only thing they lose is the ability to spread that $15m over two years - 2025 and 2026 by cutting him a year earlier than they originally planned. 

 

Of course it means you have $17m of dead cap this year that they were not planning for. But it does not make the cap worse. That money is there whether Von plays or not. The only question that it raises is:

 

Do you want Von Miller at $23.7m or Player X at $6.7m on the roster in 2024? 

 

And for me I think Von's toast. Give me player X. 

Player X is definitely the option to choose. Now the question is should it be DQ (my choice) or Floyd?  It may require more than that 7M to entice one of them.  I just don't see Von ever returning to his form of early 2022.

[TheFunPolice]

Bernard

Benford

Shakir

Torrence

Kincaid

Oliver

Groot (sometimes) 

Cook

Allen (of course) 

 

Lots of young guys making plays all over the roster. Von Miller contract is killing us, because we could be in a spot to give a 100M contract to a free agent WR to go with Diggs, Kincaid, Cook, and Shakir to really put this team over the top. 

 

This year we wended the season without our stud LB, his backup, or even his backup's backup.

 

Next year we'll have Milano AND Bernard on the field at the same time, with Bernard proving he is more than capable after being pressed into action. 

 

[DCofNC]

8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don’t think they’ve neglected Josh at all. They thought they had a premier WR2 and it never happened. The OL took time but has finally become a force. 
 

Yes they should’ve brought in competition for Davis, not sure if that’s what you mean by neglected. This is really the first offseason people are questioning Diggs. And it’s the first offseason they won’t have Gabe Davis. 
 

Im ready to move on completely with a young WR core lead by Kincaid next year. Not many are ready to just pull that bandaid off but I think we can rebuild this year, especially knowing it’s one of the best and deepest WR drafts in history. Rookie WRs are impacting offenses more than ever. You can definitely still miss but that’s a risk I’m willing to take this year.

There were plenty of us who questioned Davis last off-season, but the rose colored glasses crew wouldn’t hear it.

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Player X is definitely the option to choose. Now the question is should it be DQ (my choice) or Floyd?  It may require more than that 7M to entice one of them.  I just don't see Von ever returning to his form of early 2022.

 

I think you can do it for that $6.7m in space - you might need to put a bit of void money into next year. But that would be enough 2024 cap space.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

There were plenty of us who questioned Davis last off-season, but the rose colored glasses crew wouldn’t hear it.

Brandon Beane and the Bills?

[Aussie Joe]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

 

Dane Jackson, Tyrel Dodson, Taylor Rapp and David Edwards at deals worth $1.7-2.5m I'd try to keep. If they get more than that on the market, good luck to them.

They all outplayed their contracts this year.  I think the only one that might be back at that range is Jackson…who I would take back for sure ..

 

I can see Dodson getting $5m a year from someone to be a starter 

 

Rapp and Edward’s gave them their prove it deals last year … they can start in this league …

 

 

 

 

[RyanC883]

I think Poyer is back because we can't replace both safeties with rookies (unless we also grab a FA), but I see our WR1, WR2 potentially both being rookies (even if Diggs returns, has he lost a step or not?  If not, then he is still WR1 but we still have 2 new ones that contribute as WR2 and WR 3-4); new DT, new backup C or G, or OT, new RB (Cook backup, perhaps "big" guy). 

 

Will be exciting to see this, it really is "window 2" for Josh.  Hopefully this one has trophies in it.  

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

They all outplayed their contracts this year.  I think the only one that might be back at that range is Jackson…who I would take back for sure ..

 

I can see Dodson getting $5m a year from someone to be a starter 

 

Rapp and Edward’s gave them their prove it deals last year … they can start in this league …

 

 

Why do you presume a year of Edwards and Rapp not starting will convince people to pay them to start? Especially on Edwards. His ability to remain healthy was the question mark. Has playing a few snaps as a 6th OL convinced people his body can hold up to the rigours of a full NFL season? 

 

I think you are right on Dodson. Is supect he will be gone. Someone will look at the 10 or so games of film this year and some snippets from last year and decide he is worth a punt.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Are you willing to move on from some or all of

 

white

poyer

morse

knox?

 

if they did it would help the cap now and in the future. 

White yes definitely unless he is willing to take pay cut and move to safety. 

Poyer maybe. I would bring him back for one more year. 

Morse yes but prefer to keep one more year.. one less hole to address. If Morse stays then I might try to trade Bates I'd it saves some capn

Knox no. He is still a very good player. I think a better than Dorsey OC will get more out of him

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

Bernard

Benford

Shakir

Torrence

Kincaid

Oliver

Groot (sometimes) 

Cook

Allen (of course) 

 

Lots of young guys making plays all over the roster. Von Miller contract is killing us, because we could be in a spot to give a 100M contract to a free agent WR to go with Diggs, Kincaid, Cook, and Shakir to really put this team over the top. 

 

This year we wended the season without our stud LB, his backup, or even his backup's backup.

 

Next year we'll have Milano AND Bernard on the field at the same time, with Bernard proving he is more than capable after being pressed into action. 

 

And if Miller comes back healthy along with Jones then you have a very good starting 4. Just need to draft a couple young DL to replace Miller the following year and to let Rousseau walk. Rousseau nowhere near good enough for a second contract. I'd pick up his 5th year option, control the situation,  then let him walk.