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Seeing these names like Jones and Schobel makes me wonder if people even understand what an impact guy looks like. AJ's performance against Jacksonville is what it looks like. A defensive lineman who literally alters the course of game perhaps even multiple times.  Schobel had good stats but he's not wrecking a game like that. Probably the last guy who could do it was Mario. 

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I feel like in today's NFL it's a mistake to invest too heavily in DL.   Elite offenses can almost totally neutralize pass rush either through scheming and releasing the ball in under 2.5 seconds(Purdy, Burrow, Tua) or just having an elusive QB that can extend plays with their legs(Allen, Mahomes, Lamar).   Look how our divisional rounds ended the last 2 years.  Burrow carved us up like a surgeon last year.   This year neither Allen or Mahomes were sacked as both QBs simply avoided any pressure either used their legs or in Mahome's case ripped off huge chunk plays.  Good DL will manhandle average teams but when facing the top of the top, they become ineffective.    The positions are still important moreso for the sake of run defense IMO but in the Bills case we have guys on the edge who like to over pursue the QB and often leave huge openings to the outside.  Mahomes, Pacheco and Edwards-Helaire each had 20+ yd runs against us last week.   

 

If the Bills take DL too early in this next draft that would be a critical mistake IMO.   Recent history has proven it doesn't matter how much you invest in those positions, their is huge diminishing returns when you face elite offenses in this league.   

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22 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Mario Williams was the last truly elite game changer we had up front. I think Ed was pretty close this past year. Yes Sunday was not a good game for him, but I have confidence he will build again next season. 

Thuney had a 99.1 percent win rate this season, so I can’t really fault Ed. Thuney was off-the-charts good this season. The bigger question posed by a very close friend who is a diehard Pats fan (going back to the Grogan/Sam Bam Cunningham days) is why Belichick let him go. Yet another terrible personnel decision by BB.

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11 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Thuney had a 99.1 percent win rate this season, so I can’t really fault Ed. Thuney was off-the-charts good this season. The bigger question posed by a very close friend who is a diehard Pats fan (going back to the Grogan/Sam Bam Cunningham days) is why Belichick let him go. Yet another terrible personnel decision by BB.

 

And just our luck he is out for tomorrow. Typical. 

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21 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Thuney had a 99.1 percent win rate this season, so I can’t really fault Ed. Thuney was off-the-charts good this season. The bigger question posed by a very close friend who is a diehard Pats fan (going back to the Grogan/Sam Bam Cunningham days) is why Belichick let him go. Yet another terrible personnel decision by BB.

I fault Ed. It’s understandable, but like they say, you want to be a star, you gotta give me a star effort.

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22 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

Aaron Maybin! Most talented painter we've ever seen on the Bills DL


How embarrassing was that pick?

OBD was so inept, they didn’t even realize he could get on the field for 3rd Downs… because he was so ***** light!

 

Arakpo, Cushing, Jenkins, Maclin, Harvin, Clay Mathews & A Davis all came immediately after! I cringe when that name comes up associated with that buffoon Head Office!

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23 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Mario Williams was the last truly elite game changer we had up front. I think Ed was pretty close this past year. Yes Sunday was not a good game for him, but I have confidence he will build again next season. 

Oliver strikes me as mediocre and a bust, overall.  Despite his best season of his career this past year.

 

How about Ted Washington?  I'll add him to the list of good ones since Bruce.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

Oliver strikes me as mediocre and a bust, overall.  Despite his best season of his career this past year.

 

How about Ted Washington?  I'll add him to the list of good ones since Bruce.

 

 

 

He isn't mediocre. Or a bust. If he strikes you as that, that is a you problem.

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2 hours ago, Lost said:

I feel like in today's NFL it's a mistake to invest too heavily in DL.   Elite offenses can almost totally neutralize pass rush either through scheming and releasing the ball in under 2.5 seconds(Purdy, Burrow, Tua) or just having an elusive QB that can extend plays with their legs(Allen, Mahomes, Lamar).   Look how our divisional rounds ended the last 2 years.  Burrow carved us up like a surgeon last year.   This year neither Allen or Mahomes were sacked as both QBs simply avoided any pressure either used their legs or in Mahome's case ripped off huge chunk plays.  Good DL will manhandle average teams but when facing the top of the top, they become ineffective.    The positions are still important moreso for the sake of run defense IMO but in the Bills case we have guys on the edge who like to over pursue the QB and often leave huge openings to the outside.  Mahomes, Pacheco and Edwards-Helaire each had 20+ yd runs against us last week.   

 

If the Bills take DL too early in this next draft that would be a critical mistake IMO.   Recent history has proven it doesn't matter how much you invest in those positions, their is huge diminishing returns when you face elite offenses in this league.   

 

  Just curious, then ...do you think Detroit wasted a 2nd overall pick on Hutchinson, and he is NOT one of the main reasons Detroit is in NFC championship game?

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