The 2nd and 9 endzone shot to Shakir

[CincyBillsFan]

14 hours ago, Man with No Name said:

the 2nd and 9 play to shakir was the right call. he was open. the first down run was not the correct call. 

The first down run was the desire to bleed clock and illustrated everything wrong abut McD's approach to the offense yesterday.  And yes I believe that McD instructed Brady as to how he wanted the offense to compliment his defense in the game.  But at some point and with the chance to take a 4 point lead with about 2 minutes remaining you must aggressively go after the TD.

 

As others have pointed out this is the NFL playoffs and you can't just assume that you will score the TD with 10 seconds left on the clock.  I believe the only time we threw the ball downfield on first down in the second half was when Diggs dropped that perfectly thrown 60 yard bomb.  The play action worked great there and I have to believe that Brady wanted to exploit the KC issues at Safety with more aggressive play action passes on first down.

 

 

[Einstein]

19 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Perfect read from Allen. Chris Jones made the play. That's it.

Been yelling this from the rooftops since it happened.

Allen made the right decision.

Thanks for posting this video.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

If you have a wide open touchdown, and a wide open check down, you throw the MF TD every single time. 

[JoshAllin]

6 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

 

I agree with this take. 

 

If you pause it at 5s he releases the ball around then and if he hit Diggs in stride he's going past 32 and has Kincaid blocking for him for a possible TD

Edited January 22 by motorj

[dma0034]

14 hours ago, Process said:

If you have a guy wide open for a TD you take it there is no debate 

 

Let's say Diggs takes it to the 10.

 

Timeout

 

Run, stopped 

 

Timeout

 

Run, stopped 

 

Throw on third down, incomplete

 

FG

 

Chiefs still have over a minute left

 

 

That's the absolute worst case scenario and it's still better than giving the ball back to Mahomes with 2 minutes left and 2 TOs.

 

Hell, Bills could throw 2 TE screens after the 1st down run and go for it at the 1 or 2 yard line with 20 seconds left. 

Edited January 22 by dma0034

[Einstein]

8 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

 

 

That's the absolute worst case scenario

 

No it's not.

Worse case scenario is Cook fumbles the ball the next play (after Diggs gets the first down) and we lose. Or a ball gets tipped an KC intercepts it. Or what if we get a holding penalty and are pushed back and its 1st and Goal from the 20? 

Endzone throw was the right call.

[colin]

8 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

We held them to a 3&out prior series  2 if you include a fugazi pi call. So no telling what happens , 6 straight plays, zero 1st downs. 

I feel ya though, with our luck they score somehow

Random- Josh and Shakir was the 1st time Sneed gave up a TD

 

i still say we had to go for 7, but i feel you on this fellow jersey bills fan.

 

what i noticed, and i might be coloring my view because of my decided personal bias, but once dorian williams went in for aj, we started bodying fools.  sometimes you need an enforcer, and by sometimes i mean at all times.

[JerseyBills]

2 hours ago, colin said:

 

i still say we had to go for 7, but i feel you on this fellow jersey bills fan.

 

what i noticed, and i might be coloring my view because of my decided personal bias, but once dorian williams went in for aj, we started bodying fools.  sometimes you need an enforcer, and by sometimes i mean at all times.

I didn't even know he replaced AJ. Games like this get fuzzy because I get super intense,  I do remember when Dodson came out for a bit Dorian destroyed a Chiefs player  had me jumping out my seat.  Hopefully he has a Benard like trajectory 

[Eastport bills]

18 hours ago, ChrisWatson#21 said:

I love Josh to death but why would he pass up a wide open Stef underneath, a possible first down to drain more clock to instead try and score a TD leaving 1:50 on the clock against a player that beat the Bills with only 13 seconds left?  The goal was very simple here.   It’s to score a TD with almost no time left especially when only a field goal is all the Bills need to extend the game so it wasn’t like the Bills needed a TD on that down.  I know he doesn’t have a coach that will hold him accountable like Dabol would but we are on year six here where he should already know the situation.  I love Josh we owe all these playoff years to him but I’m so dissapointed that he wouldn’t be able to dissect that situation for what it was.  I can’t put that one on Sean as much as I have wanted him gone for a few years😭😭

He had Shakir but jostled by Jones bull rushing Dawkins into him he couldn’t step into the throw.  How could you as a fan, question his abilities when he was the friggin offense and lead the team team in rushing and scored 2 Touchdowns. The beaten up defense allowed 4 straight TD drives if you don’t count the touchback. How about the TD drives he engineered with wide receivers doing nothing but dropping perfectly thrown passes. You’re just a malcontent who makes this forum an embarrassment. Without Josh you’re wearing a paper bag on your head at games.

[KeLLy1278]

Guys… that was an instinctual play and decision made by Allen to go for the throat in that situation.  It is the way he is wired.  I do not think it was a smart decision even if it was a TD because there would be more time left on the clock for KC to try and come back.  It’s a gray area though.  You can try to think it through but there is nothing definitive from what could have would have should have happened.  If.. if..  Nothing is guaranteed.  Even if it was a TD right there, KC still does have to drive to set up a score.  Not guaranteed that they would have but likely I guess.  Pure speculation.

 

in looking at it, I think Allen should have threw it underneath.  But going a step beyond that, I think that the biggest issue on the play was that Allen was not able to notice the rush in time to try and shift a bit before the attempted throw.  This is all split second in the moment analysis as a QB but the great ones are able to see it a bit better and step up to make the throw.  I would have liked a short throw to eat up more clock and keep marching.  Allen is dynamic.  Unfortunately.. the team needs to learn from a season ending loss yet again.  On offense.. I thought Diggs had the worse game of any other player.  There were a handful of tough catches that he dropped.. around three.  The Bills needed him to make one of them.  He couldn’t.  That’s football.
 

The Front office needs to ask themselves one question.  WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO IMPROVE THIS TEAM’S DEFENSE SO WE CAN SLOW DOWN KC.  PERIOD & END OF STORY.  
 

Make no mistake.  This was a disappointing loss.  I expected the Bills to win this game.  This entire team and the fanbase feels like ***** right now.  The fans will always be there but they can’t make plays, choose personel.  
Tunnel vision in the offseason for 2024.

 

I’m more upset about this loss than I thought I would be.  This was a missed opportunity but what’s done is done.  What are the Buffalo Bills?  A talented team that is unable to make clutch plays when it matters most.  That’s who they have been.  That’s who they are.  When will they break through is the question because we all know that this team is close but I am sick of saying that as well.  

 

[Solomon Grundy]

21 hours ago, Roundybout said:

It was the complete right throw. If Josh had half a second more to plant better that’s 6. Take it every time. 

They said on Get Up that Dawkins stepped on Josh foot before the throw

[Simon]

5 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

They said on Get Up that Dawkins stepped on Josh foot before the throw

 

That'll leave a mark....

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

 

 

Kurt Warner part 2 video

 

Go to 28:06 for Kurt Warner to breakdown the final two plays.

Edited January 23 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[NoSaint]

7 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The first down run was the desire to bleed clock and illustrated everything wrong abut McD's approach to the offense yesterday.  And yes I believe that McD instructed Brady as to how he wanted the offense to compliment his defense in the game.  But at some point and with the chance to take a 4 point lead with about 2 minutes remaining you must aggressively go after the TD.

 

As others have pointed out this is the NFL playoffs and you can't just assume that you will score the TD with 10 seconds left on the clock.  I believe the only time we threw the ball downfield on first down in the second half was when Diggs dropped that perfectly thrown 60 yard bomb.  The play action worked great there and I have to believe that Brady wanted to exploit the KC issues at Safety with more aggressive play action passes on first down.

 

 

if anyone can explain bleeding the clock on the front side of two mins and then going for the end zone inside— I’d be all ears 

 

to me it amounts to “let’s ensure only one possession happens after ours.” That’s worst case possible for 0 (as we saw), 3 or 7 (full drives with no pressure from the clock and unlikely to give Josh the ball back) 
 

either you finish the drive between 2-3 mins and hope to get the last touch, or you bleed the clock, target the first down out of the warning and let the clock pressure the chiefs while you take shots 

6 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

No it's not.

Worse case scenario is Cook fumbles the ball the next play (after Diggs gets the first down) and we lose. Or a ball gets tipped an KC intercepts it. Or what if we get a holding penalty and are pushed back and its 1st and Goal from the 20? 

Endzone throw was the right call.

then they should throw it at 2:20 instead of sitting on the ball

[Hotdog water]

Watch the replay, Josh got his foot stepped on as he threw the ball. 

[CincyBillsFan]

3 hours ago, KeLLy1278 said:

The Front office needs to ask themselves one question.  WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO IMPROVE THIS TEAM’S DEFENSE SO WE CAN SLOW DOWN KC.  PERIOD & END OF STORY. 

 

If this is what the front office is asking and doing the Bills will never sniff a Super Bowl and will have wasted the career of one of the most gifted QB's in NFL history.  Honestly if Bean/McD goes this route then Allen needs to pack his bags and get out of town.  This kind of move by McD/Bean would make me reconsider my fandom. 

[Drew21PA]

7 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The first down run was the desire to bleed clock and illustrated everything wrong abut McD's approach to the offense yesterday.  And yes I believe that McD instructed Brady as to how he wanted the offense to compliment his defense in the game.  But at some point and with the chance to take a 4 point lead with about 2 minutes remaining you must aggressively go after the TD.

 

As others have pointed out this is the NFL playoffs and you can't just assume that you will score the TD with 10 seconds left on the clock.  I believe the only time we threw the ball downfield on first down in the second half was when Diggs dropped that perfectly thrown 60 yard bomb.  The play action worked great there and I have to believe that Brady wanted to exploit the KC issues at Safety with more aggressive play action passes on first down.

 

 

I said it the entire second half Brady was absolutely correct with sherfiled and Diggs call

 

i wanted to see one more shot to shakir since he was actually catching the ball

 

never came but it was there and open 

[zow2]

51 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

if anyone can explain bleeding the clock on the front side of two mins and then going for the end zone inside— I’d be all ears 

 

to me it amounts to “let’s ensure only one possession happens after ours.” That’s worst case possible for 0 (as we saw), 3 or 7 (full drives with no pressure from the clock and unlikely to give Josh the ball back) 
 

either you finish the drive between 2-3 mins and hope to get the last touch, or you bleed the clock, target the first down out of the warning and let the clock pressure the chiefs while you take shots 

then they should throw it at 2:20 instead of sitting on the ball

 

After the Two min warning the correct sequence should have been getting the first down and continue bleeding it. If the very last resort was a Bass FG attempt it would be likely from 10 yards closer and possibly the last play to ensure the kick would send it to OT and not give KC a final possession.

 

[CincyBillsFan]

I can just see it now:  Allen throws the ball to Diggs and he gains 6 yards.  On 3rd and 3 Allen plows ahead for 5 yards.  Chiefs call TO.  Then a run to Cook for minus 2 and Chiefs call their last TO.  Allen then hits Kincaid at the 4 yard line for a FIRST DOWN and goal.  Then the Bills run out the clock but KC has a great goal line stand and we kick the FG and the game goes to OT where the Chiefs score a TD while we score a FG.

 

Then on 2BD some Allen hating poster will link to a video showing how Allen passed up a TD throw to Shakir to check it down to Diggs.  You know this would happen.

 

 

[Roundybout]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I can just see it now:  Allen throws the ball to Diggs and he gains 6 yards.  On 3rd and 3 Allen plows ahead for 5 yards.  Chiefs call TO.  Then a run to Cook for minus 2 and Chiefs call their last TO.  Allen then hits Kincaid at the 4 yard line for a FIRST DOWN and goal.  Then the Bills run out the clock but KC has a great goal line stand and we kick the FG and the game goes to OT where the Chiefs score a TD while we score a FG.

 

Then on 2BD some Allen hating poster will link to a video showing how Allen passed up a TD throw to Shakir to check it down to Diggs.  You know this would happen.

 

 

100%. actually what would happen is Diggs would gain 5, Cook would get stuffed up the middle then we’d kick a field goal to tie. It misses, we lose, then certain posters here blame “melon farmer” for missing Shakir wide open in the end zone