Turk71 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I'm having a hard time understanding why they have smaller guys (often only 1 guy) pushing Allen. If you are committed to the play why aren't there 2 huge linemen pushing him? Also if you watch the Eagles, who are by far the best at it, they stay low and immediately push straight forward. The Bills hesitate, don't stay low, and tend to go forward at an angle to the line; all of which makes the forward push less efficient. Just wondering why they don't study the Eagles and do it right. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Complete guesses with nothing to back it up Brady is not good at his job Josh doesn't like to just plow ahead Josh only goes left They are setting up some type of trick play down the road? Morse is not nearly as good Kelce Hurts has stronger legs than Allen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Allen is pretty good at this. Anthony Richardson is a big guy but didn't he have to miss 2 games after running this play early in the season? The QB takes more of a beating than we know in that scrum. But Josh probably enjoys the contact. Afterall, he classifies himself as a "football player" not a quarterback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Before Josh slipped (yes, he slipped) at the goal line in Nashville I remember hearing he was 13 out of 14 on one yard to go, and the other one was a snap problem. I’m not too upset. Having big backs in gets you about as much push, and gives you the flexibility to step out of that look and go in another direction if matchups favor you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills14221 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Why not have Fournette line up under center and take the snap with David Edwards or Bates behind him? If we aren’t going to fake it, isn’t that a better option? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Augie said: Before Josh slipped (yes, he slipped) at the goal line in Nashville I remember hearing he was 13 out of 14 on one yard to go, and the other one was a snap problem. I’m not too upset. Having big backs in gets you about as much push, and gives you the flexibility to step out of that look and go in another direction if matchups favor you. I have no problem Josh sliding over to the B gap but you can still line up a big ugly (Spencer) behind him. More leverage than a 200lb RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I think Tom Brady was like 199 for 200 over his career on QB sneaks, without any special play design or anyone pushing him from behind. Why couldn’t someone like Josh Allen, who’s the same size as Brady and much more athletic, duplicate that success? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Bills14221 said: Why not have Fournette line up under center and take the snap with David Edwards or Bates behind him? If we aren’t going to fake it, isn’t that a better option? That would work better too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I have no problem Josh sliding over to the B gap but you can still line up a big ugly (Spencer) behind him. More leverage than a 200lb RB. I’m not talking a little speed back, but the active big back or Gilliam or something that gives you other options if you opt to spread them out if they bring in all beef. But it doesn't’ have to be one or the other. I like mixing it up and having options. 8 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: That would work better too! Yeah, if you want a RB who is actually smaller than the QB taking snaps in the red zone. It seems we are overthinking this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 We're good at qb sneaks because of having Josh Allen. Our line rarely gets much of a push on the interior and they don't often move the pile. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 38 minutes ago, Turk71 said: I'm having a hard time understanding why they have smaller guys (often only 1 guy) pushing Allen. If you are committed to the play why aren't there 2 huge linemen pushing him? Also if you watch the Eagles, who are by far the best at it, they stay low and immediately push straight forward. The Bills hesitate, don't stay low, and tend to go forward at an angle to the line; all of which makes the forward push less efficient. Just wondering why they don't study the Eagles and do it right. Oh, so you consider 2 of the biggest RBs as small? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 So the reason Josh does hesitate 🤔 he looks to see if there is a natural opening and he goes there. And as for Brady most of the 3rd and ones they quick snapped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I got it. Morse snaps to Allen, and 9 guys in the backfield smash into Allen's back and drive him forward. Can't miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyNoodles Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Don’t like Allen jumping over the top, which he did twice. Risk for injury and fumble, plus too easy to spot the ball. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Wouldn’t this tush play now lend itself to the ultimate 4th down superplay of flea flicker back to the pushing back to toss an easy completion for a TD while the defensive beefcake is otherwise occupied? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToTasker Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 hours ago, Turk71 said: I'm having a hard time understanding why they have smaller guys (often only 1 guy) pushing Allen. If you are committed to the play why aren't there 2 huge linemen pushing him? Also if you watch the Eagles, who are by far the best at it, they stay low and immediately push straight forward. The Bills hesitate, don't stay low, and tend to go forward at an angle to the line; all of which makes the forward push less efficient. Just wondering why they don't study the Eagles and do it right. Maybe the risk for injury is higher by getting THAT low. As strong as what Allen is, I doubt he’s as strong as Hurts, that guy squats 600 pounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I'd prefer (at least some of the times) to line up 4 wide... keep the defense honest covering them. I like Josh's chances to get 1 yard vs 6 man front (at most). Could even have RB start in his normal spot but come up hard/fast and slam him forward. And/or Knox in motion to help out with the push. Defense not sure if pass/run. Keep 'em guessing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 hours ago, Bills14221 said: Why not have Fournette line up under center and take the snap with David Edwards or Bates behind him? If we aren’t going to fake it, isn’t that a better option? Too much risk of a fumbled snap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, JimmyNoodles said: Don’t like Allen jumping over the top, which he did twice. Risk for injury and fumble, plus too easy to spot the ball. I like this technique in the RZ bc once it’s over the line it’s a TD and can’t be fumbled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Complete guesses with nothing to back it up Brady is not good at his job Josh doesn't like to just plow ahead Josh only goes left They are setting up some type of trick play down the road? Morse is not nearly as good Kelce Hurts has stronger legs than Allen Real wrath of God stuff... Fire and brinstone... Dogs and Cats living together... MASS HYSTERIA!!! Edited January 10 by SoonerBillsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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