PaattMaann Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 9 hours ago, uninja said: how do you “manipulate” a coin toss? I think it looks a lot like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) 44 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: Can't argue against any of that. From a workplace point of view, I would argue the manager has now given the tools to the workers to complete the job to the best of their ability; now it is time for them to execute their tasks. Whereas before the workers were being hamstrung by the manager's requirements - receivers ending up in the same zone, poor play calls at key times, seemingly struggling to manage the QB's mental state. I do part of the issue is Brady is having to work with Dorsey's playbook whilst slowing implementing his own style. Think is was Fournette who said he has never seen something so complicated when he first joined. Does this all mean I have faith in the offense? No, sadly not. Other than the Cowboys - which was a very different approach - and the Eagles, it has not looked really good since the home win against the Dolphins. If it clicks, then the Bills could finally win a Superbowl. If it doesn't we could be sitting here next week with nothing to talk about but the close season. Roger Brady could easily add plays however. It's ridiculous to think that he can't. Let's not forget however that he's novice, inexperienced, and OJT. Think about all that was said that was positive about Dorsey when he replaced Daboll. And that is no minor reference to the oft-repeated notion that Allen wanted him as OC. But the point is that people are saying that the offense has improved, whatever the circumstances, when the opposite is the case. They're/we're also saying that the defense has improved, and while it has not gotten worse, that also isn't true. How long are false and/or flimsy narratives going to carry McD's water. I'm not seeing a ton of evidence that the issues you cited are gone despite unsubstantiated narratives simply claiming that they are. As to "managing the QB's (Allen's) mental state, you won't find a bigger critic than me given that he's had three different OCs in as many seasons and may have a fourth next season as well. Whose fault is that? Obviously not McD's, he's only the head coach. It can't be, the narratives don't support that. The masses will figure it out at some point. In the meantime, more damage to the QB's mental state, including no consistency from season to season, will occur. Meanwhile, that QB, with nothing but his physical and mental talents individually carries this team. The impact of this game is much bigger than people realize. BTW, Davis may not play. According to most, his absence should benefit the team. That should be interesting, the fallout from that too. Edited January 11 by PBF81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 38 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Says there’s a 40% chance of snow from 1-2 and windy the rest of the game. It’s said that most of the week. The forecast that I just looked at says this; Lake-effect snow and intense squalls, accumulating an additional 6-10 inches; windy and colder High 24, Windchill -1, 30 mph winds We're 72 hours from game time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 5 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Roger Brady could easily add plays however. It's ridiculous to think that he can't. Let's not forget however that he's novice, inexperienced, and OJT. Think about all that was said that was positive about Dorsey when he replaced Daboll. And that is no minor reference to the oft-repeated notion that Allen wanted him as OC. But the point is that people are saying that the offense has improved, whatever the circumstances, when the opposite is the case. They're/we're also saying that the defense has improved, and while it has not gotten worse, that also isn't true. How long are false and/or flimsy narratives going to carry McD's water. I'm not seeing a ton of evidence that the issues you cited are gone despite unsubstantiated narratives simply claiming that they are. As to "managing the QB's (Allen's) mental state, you won't find a bigger critic than me given that he's had three different OCs in as many seasons and may have a fourth next season as well. Whose fault is that? Obviously not McD's, he's only the head coach. It can't be, the narratives don't support that. The masses will figure it out at some point. In the meantime, more damage to the QB's mental state, including no consistency from season to season, will occur. Meanwhile, that QB, with nothing but his physical and mental talents individually carries this team. The impact of this game is much bigger than people realize. This may get downvotes but if the Bills lose to the Steelers I will be an advocate of moving on from McDermott. And it's partially down to something you refer to above - the churn at OC not helping the key player on the team. Get in someone with OC experience as Head Coach and we can at least hope for some stability, even if the churn at OC continues. Getting past the Steelers then losing to the Chiefs or Ravens is uncertain ground, as I think under anyone they would be 50/50 match ups which could go either way. But I am with you that having a defensive minded head coach, as well as he has done for the Bills, is not the best thing for the franchise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 5 minutes ago, PBF81 said: The forecast that I just looked at says this; Lake-effect snow and intense squalls, accumulating an additional 6-10 inches; windy and colder High 24, Windchill -1, 30 mph winds We're 72 hours from game time dont trust accuweather for lake effect snow events Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, PBF81 said: The forecast that I just looked at says this; Lake-effect snow and intense squalls, accumulating an additional 6-10 inches; windy and colder High 24, Windchill -1, 30 mph winds We're 72 hours from game time I have been seeing wildly different reports from various sources. I assume that we will have an idea with 24 hours to go, but that variation is troubling to me moreso than the weather. If we know, we can plan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 7 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: This may get downvotes but if the Bills lose to the Steelers I will be an advocate of moving on from McDermott. And it's partially down to something you refer to above - the churn at OC not helping the key player on the team. Get in someone with OC experience as Head Coach and we can at least hope for some stability, even if the churn at OC continues. Getting past the Steelers then losing to the Chiefs or Ravens is uncertain ground, as I think under anyone they would be 50/50 match ups which could go either way. But I am with you that having a defensive minded head coach, as well as he has done for the Bills, is not the best thing for the franchise. Allow me to ask as well, why is it that you think that there's a "churn" at OC that is preventing the optimization of the "key player" on the team? Even Daboll's credentials coming here were incredibly questionable. 8 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: dont trust accuweather for lake effect snow events I'm not sure anything can be trusted for lake effect snow events. Remember that monster storm we had what, six or seven years ago maybe. The computer weather models suck these days anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 18 minutes ago, PBF81 said: The forecast that I just looked at says this; Lake-effect snow and intense squalls, accumulating an additional 6-10 inches; windy and colder High 24, Windchill -1, 30 mph winds We're 72 hours from game time In Orchard Park? What site? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 5 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Allow me to ask as well, why is it that you think that there's a "churn" at OC that is preventing the optimization of the "key player" on the team? Even Daboll's credentials coming here were incredibly questionable. I'm not sure anything can be trusted for lake effect snow events. Remember that monster storm we had what, six or seven years ago maybe. The computer weather models suck these days anyway. Local weather guys are usually pretty accurate 2 days out. Ill trust what Pat Hammer says tomorrow about Sundays weather...but obviously, NO ONE knows what lake effect bands do on that day. Just gotta show up and play ball. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 9 hours ago, zow2 said: At least the game i’m recalling I believe the Bills deferred and kicked with the wind in the First Qtr, opponent had wind in 2nd Qtr. Then Opponent kicked off gave us the wind in the 3rd and they had it again for the 4th. I don’t like that strategy. So it was a McDermott’s plan to force the opponent to go into strong winds on their opening drive. hoping to get the ball back quickly and get an early lead. So not really manipulating, just dumb decision in my opinion Gotcha. Yeah I agree it's definitely a "strategy"....and I could see benefits to both. Kicking with the wind to start: home crowd fired up, quick stop and hopefully get a short field, score and play with the lead/momentum. Everything you said above, isn't a bad strategy either. Will see how Coach handles this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: In Orchard Park? What site? Accuweather says lake effect snow,weather.com says a small 1-2 inch type snowstorm, weather.gov says snow showers which id assume is even less than that if there was that serious of a chance for a lake effect snowstorm I think there’d be murmurs about moving the game imo Edited January 11 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 If it does snow, I think that will be a situation where it'll be much better to have Brady instead of Dorsey as OC. Over the last year or so, and specifically in the "I don't watch that much film" quote, I've heard Allen said that they don't want to focus on what the other team does. The Bills offense should just impose its will regardless of what the D is doing. Based on what I've seen on the field, I'm guessing that came from Dorsey and Allen was repeating it. Dorsey seems much more willing to adjust based on the situation (eg, running the ball a million times because Dallas can't stop it). I remember after the wildcard game last year, a Bengals player was mocking the Bills offense because they were running routes that are hard to run in the snow. Keep it simple in the snow. It's hard to run a double move, but it's hard to defend just a simple in cut because the offense player knows where he is going and doesn't have to try and cut as abruptly. As someone pointed out, the Kelly Bills used to score a ton in snowy games. Offense can be really effective. The Bengal's point was that everyone knows the kind of routes you need to run on snow and the Bills just refused to run them. That seems very Dorsey-esque to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 11 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: In Orchard Park? What site? https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/orchard-park/14127/daily-weather-forecast/2128285 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 11 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: In Orchard Park? What site? Weather underground said 1-2 feet... Jeez if that's the case I'm going to be in the comfort lot till Tuesday lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) 7 minutes ago, PBF81 said: https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/orchard-park/14127/daily-weather-forecast/2128285 It’s crazy how different each weather site is. I will say accuweather has said I was in middle of a massive rain storm when it didn’t rain anywhere near there the week before or in the week after. looks like I can wait to buy tickets love snow games Edited January 11 by Not at the table Karlos 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Bob in STL said: The Marv/Kelly era Bills did this at home several times in bad weather with good results. Cardinals game iirc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 What makes me a little nervous was the talk about how Buffalo wasnt prepared for the weather vs cinci last year. So here we are again about to play another snowy playoff game. Pittsburg doesn't worry me on their own. This game will come down to luck and missed opportunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 44 minutes ago, PBF81 said: The forecast that I just looked at says this; Lake-effect snow and intense squalls, accumulating an additional 6-10 inches; windy and colder High 24, Windchill -1, 30 mph winds We're 72 hours from game time Go away 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 11 minutes ago, Negan said: Weather underground said 1-2 feet... Jeez if that's the case I'm going to be in the comfort lot till Tuesday lol. I walk a little over a mile to stadium but rarely hit traffic in or out. Idk if I want to do that walk with my deep snow boots as they’re pretty heavy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfanatic8989 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 If Allen can't throw in that type of weather, it plays right into the hands of the Steelers. They prefer to run the ball and play D. That could be a problem for our offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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