OT…Cooper Dejean has declared for the draft

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

3 hours ago, whorlnut said:

And you don’t think some really good safeties will be there on day 2?  Your way of thinking is why WR is our biggest need. Waiting is what got us in trouble. Every draft, there is a run in WRs at the beginning of the second round. So we should just boot the position altogether until the fourth again?  Nah. Hard pass on this idea. 

It isn't my way of thinking,  It is what I expect Beane to do based on his previous drafts. It will come down to their needs and who is available when they pick.  They will likely have multiple positions of need and Beane has shown that he will not pick based solely on need.  Unfortunately, Beane has shown that he doesn't value receivers the same way that many of us do, certainly not enough to draft a second round talent in the first round.  If he did, we wouldn't be watching the receiving clown show that they have now.

 

As things relate to Dejean, he is a game changing talent.  I seriously doubt that he falls far enough to get to the Bills.  

[whorlnut]

7 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

It isn't my way of thinking,  It is what I expect Beane to do based on his previous drafts. It will come down to their needs and who is available when they pick.  They will likely have multiple positions of need and Beane has shown that he will not pick based solely on need.  Unfortunately, Beane has shown that he doesn't value receivers the same way that many of us do, certainly not enough to draft a second round talent in the first round.  If he did, we wouldn't be watching the receiving clown show that they have now.

 

As things relate to Dejean, he is a game changing talent.  I seriously doubt that he falls far enough to get to the Bills.  

He doesn’t pick based on need?  Are you sure?  Rousseau, Elam, Kincaid…all three play a position that they clearly targeted in those respective drafts. I would argue that Beane usually 100% drafts based off need in the first round. I’m fact, I don’t really think he drafts BPA until day 3. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

19 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

If he's available at our #1 pick, I don't see any way McBeane passes him up.

 

And even tho I'm banging the table for a WR, considering this class, I'd be fine waiting to Round 2 on a WR if it meant getting Dejean.

 

He'd be an immediate starter at Safety, and pretty much McD's cream dream of a defensive player.

I don't care if the 2nd coming of Dion is there, go WR!  I have had it with defensive top picks and lesser talent at WR

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

50 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

He doesn’t pick based on need?  Are you sure?  Rousseau, Elam, Kincaid…all three play a position that they clearly targeted in those respective drafts. I would argue that Beane usually 100% drafts based off need in the first round. I’m fact, I don’t really think he drafts BPA until day 3. 

I said that he doesn't pick solely on need.  If he did, Kincaid would not have been selected.  He would have reached for a linebacker or a wide receiver or an interior o-lineman.  Tight end was not a pressing need.  Like most other teams, they look at the predraft grading (value of the players) and compare that to the value of the pick. If the value of the player and value of the pick lines up for multiple players, they probably select a position of need. 

[whorlnut]

48 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

I said that he doesn't pick solely on need.  If he did, Kincaid would not have been selected.  He would have reached for a linebacker or a wide receiver or an interior o-lineman.  Tight end was not a pressing need.  Like most other teams, they look at the predraft grading (value of the players) and compare that to the value of the pick. If the value of the player and value of the pick lines up for multiple players, they probably select a position of need. 

I disagree again. Kincaid was the “pass catcher” that Beane talked about in his end of season conference. Yes he’s a TE, but they were chasing 12 personnel for a while and Kincaid had arguably the best hands in the draft. He’s literally exactly what Beane talked about.  Also…he did take an interior olineman in the Second and talked all off-season that they thought the successor to edmunds was already in the roster. It was posters like you that didn’t agree with that so you conveniently ignored all those comments. 

[Solomon Grundy]

6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It's very simple at this point...........the #1 job of an NFL personnel department is to make your QB look good.

 

That's what changes seasons.   Not safety play.   That's relative minutia.

 

The Bills have not done nearly as much as they should have in regard to supporting Allen with WR talent and we see the results with an offense that can't function properly without Allen running.   I believe the running has taken a toll on his game with regard to technique and accuracy.     I think some of that is on his own preparation but the WR1 of this team going forward is not a "should" address........it's a "must" address.   

I wholeheartedly agree with this. That's why I've been clamoring for a RB since acquiring Josh/Diggs. I've been imagining a JT28/Breece Hall behind Josh, toting the rock. They lucked out with Pro Bowl Cook, but failed with Boogie Basham and probably Kaiir Elam. I'm still holding out hope on the latter, but still imagining what could have been

[Rico]

1st round pick on this CB?

 

 

 

 

[RiotAct]

11 minutes ago, Rico said:

1st round pick on this CB?

 

 

 

 

Looks like a cross between Sam Darnold and Zach Wilson.  Pass.

[Rico]

1 minute ago, RiotAct said:

Looks like a cross between Sam Darnold and Zach Wilson.  Pass.

I will reserve judgment until I read Sherlock Holmes' take.

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

2 hours ago, whorlnut said:

I disagree again. Kincaid was the “pass catcher” that Beane talked about in his end of season conference. Yes he’s a TE, but they were chasing 12 personnel for a while and Kincaid had arguably the best hands in the draft. He’s literally exactly what Beane talked about.  Also…he did take an interior olineman in the Second and talked all off-season that they thought the successor to edmunds was already in the roster. It was posters like you that didn’t agree with that so you conveniently ignored all those comments. 

If you're going to be a troll, at least try to be good at it.

[whorlnut]

16 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

If you're going to be a troll, at least try to be good at it.

So disagreeing with you makes me a troll?  Ok dude…

[TBBills Fan]

I don't follow college ball. I assumed by the title he was talking about an Tackle. Lol

[scuba guy]

On 1/4/2024 at 8:22 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

Round 1: Cooper Dejean

Round 2: Legette/Polk

Round 3: Nazir Stackhouse

 

oooh weee, that'd be a helluva draft...

We don't have a 3rd round pick traded in to green Bay.

 

Skip that we get 1 for the 18 year old lb what's his name 

[machine gun kelly]

It’s funny as I’m listening to Paul Alexander, who is a line coach for almost 40 years.  He does a spot each week on MTC on NFLR.  He likes the Bills O Line more than the Fins D Line.  He banged on Von Miller which was well deserved.  Alexander states PFF rates linemen Green, Blue, Orange, and Red.  Surprisingly S. Brown as a blue.  Orange on Torrence, and a Blue on Dawkins.

 

Im still on the WR train.

[Billznut]

I think it’s safe to say WR and safety will BOTH be selected within our first three picks this draft. But WR generally would seem to be the choice to go with in the first. A lot will depend where we end up drafting. To get one of the top WRs we may need to trade up a bit to get in the top 15-20 at minimum. Especially if we end up with a draft position of 25-32. 

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I wholeheartedly agree with this. That's why I've been clamoring for a RB since acquiring Josh/Diggs. I've been imagining a JT28/Breece Hall behind Josh, toting the rock. They lucked out with Pro Bowl Cook, but failed with Boogie Basham and probably Kaiir Elam. I'm still holding out hope on the latter, but still imagining what could have been

 

Haven't you gotten all of that at RB with Cook?   5.1 yards per carry over 300+ carries.   Huge per play production in the pass game.   

 

And that wasn't really luck.   They used a late 2nd rounder on a RB........which is a ton to spend on that position.    Cook has been better than those guys.    Injury is a factor there but Hall had a massive workload in college.   Same with Travis Etienne.   I wanted no part of RB's who had already put up 700+ carries in college. 

 

It is a good point to be made in this thread though.........the further you stray from the primary objectives of premium positions with a priority to those that make your elite QB look elite........the uglier it looks when you miss.    I'd hate to see them draft a safety in round 1 and have him turn into an injury risk..........that would be a cautionary tale about not putting appropriate value on positions.    

 

Good safeties(like RB's) are very easy to find.    Not so much the case with QB/LT/PassRusher/WR1.  

Edited January 6 by BADOLBILZ

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 1/4/2024 at 8:12 PM, 78thealltimegreat said:

I’m like Jeremy White on WGR I am seriously on WR train this off season in round 1 but if there is one defensive player who I would honestly think about taking it would be this guy.

Prior to his injury he was basically a one man secondary at Iowa. 

Will he be there at #32 ?

[BigAl2526]

DeJean has played some CB in college, but I expect if the Bills drafted him, they'd be looking to play him as a safety.  My first choice would be a WR.  I'd like to see the Bills up their speed at WR.  They've got some 4.4 guys, but the closest thing they've got to a true burner is Deonte Harty, and he's only mane one big play I can recall all season at WR.  He's greatly limited by his size.  Legette in the second round would be a great get, but Beane has about as much chance of drafting Legette in the bottom half of round 2 as he has of winning a billion dollar Powerball jackpot.  I just don't see DeJean has having the kind of big time impact Beane and McDermott hope for in their first round picks.  He would, however, have a chance to be a solid contributor if the Bills did draft him.

[78thealltimegreat]

6 hours ago, Rico said:

1st round pick on this CB?

 

 

 

 

Yes he is that good as in he missed the last two games with an injury and their bowl game and was still a unanimous first team All American good. He also has a side benefit of being the best punt returner in the draft and considering  how awful the Bills special teams have been this year that’s an added bonus.

[BADOLBILZ]

23 hours ago, NewEra said:

This. I hope we take a WR rd 1, but looking at the prospects-  I think we might be better off taking BPA DL, OT or DB if the right guy falls).  
 

there’s a legit top 3:  the difference between 1-3 and 4-10 is evident imo. 

 

who are the 4-10 guys and how much better is #4 than #10?  I’ve watched a fair amount of tape so far- and the 2 guys I’d be ok taking in rd 1 are Leggette and Thomas Jr..  Franklin is a possibility too.  Worthy, Mitchell, egbuka, Coleman, Walker, Polk, Burton, McConkey, Wilson are all jumbled up to me atm as guys I’d be happy with in rd 2 but don’t seem like good value in rd 1.  
 

Which WRs other than the top 3 intrigue you the most in rd 1 and have the potential to be a WR1?

 

There are a lot of them........it's a deep draft at WR.    But I suspect 6-9 to go in round 1.    That kind of depth might have lasted a full 3 rounds back in the late 2010's when teams were gun-shy about 1st round WR's and the impact of WR talent wrt reaching and winning SB's wasn't as obvious to some.   Walker is probably the most talented of the 2nd round guys you listed, IMO.