Tyler Dunne story on McDermott - 3 parts, 25 interviews, one damning conclusion

[PBF81]

5 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

Some of you all are reaching 

Pretty sure you are wrong on the offense players not supporting.  
 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/sean-mcdermott-says-support-from-bills-players-was-clear-and-much-appreciated/article_ce393a6c-95ee-11ee-8ef2-cf6d8ef748f6.html

 

 

some of you all are reaching so hard surprised you still have arms attached. 

 

The title of that piece alone corroborates what's being said about him.  The content of it does nothing to alter it.  It's not a strong defense piece.  

 

Again, did you actually read the piece?  If not I'd encourage you to do so.  It will explain that piece to you.  McD coming out and saying that all the players have defended him [behind closed doors] is a whole helluva lot different than Allen, Diggs, and a bunch of offensive players independently making public statements.  

 

The reality is that that piece actually reinforces what's in Dunne's piece, in spades in fact.  

 

If you haven't read it, drop the $8 and read it, it will be worth the much time it takes to read it.  

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

11 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

Some of you all are reaching 

Pretty sure you are wrong on the offense players not supporting.  
 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/sean-mcdermott-says-support-from-bills-players-was-clear-and-much-appreciated/article_ce393a6c-95ee-11ee-8ef2-cf6d8ef748f6.html

 

 

some of you all are reaching so hard surprised you still have arms attached. 

Behind paywall, but just googled and ESPN has Sherfield quoted (7 catches 53 yards on the season).  

 

I guess that counts as Offense.

 

BTW I am sure 100% will say they are behind him, because they do want to win tomorrow.  That is what the team should say and do.

Edited December 9, 2023 by Billsfan1972

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

Some of you all are reaching 

Pretty sure you are wrong on the offense players not supporting.  
 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/sean-mcdermott-says-support-from-bills-players-was-clear-and-much-appreciated/article_ce393a6c-95ee-11ee-8ef2-cf6d8ef748f6.html

 

 

some of you all are reaching so hard surprised you still have arms attached. 

 

If that article is the best example of players supporting McD, then McD is sunk. And all this article talks about is McD again addressing his 9/11 speech with the team.

 

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A few players noted that McDermott did not go into elaborate detail on the 2019 comments, but he did open the floor for any questions at the end. At that point, Hyde took the floor to speak in support of McDermott, players said.

 

Ok, so Hyde, which we already knew. Let's see what the Offensive players have to say in pouring out support and love for their coach...

 

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“I just know that we had a team meeting, we kind of talked about it. He didn’t go into detail of what he said, but at the end of the day, for me, personally, I know who Sean is,” said wide receiver Trent Sherfield Sr., who joined the Bills in March. “I know what whatever was said or whatever was said in detail, that I don’t believe any ounce of that was him supporting that, what happened on 9/11.”

 

Nothing major from Sherfield there other than stating the obvious. We know McD doesnt support terrorism.

 

How about from the rook...

 

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“From my perspective, it was just kind of him letting us know as a team how he feels about us, and how he feels about his job and how much he cares about us,” rookie lineman O’Cyrus Torrence said. “He just kind of opened up to us a little bit and didn’t go into much detail, but like I said, I wasn’t here (in 2019), so I can’t really depart much of what he said, since I was kind of in the dark about it.”

 

Hmm, how about from the vet Latavius Murray...

 

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“I think, like, for the guys that weren’t here, and you just read about it, that’s one thing, so you make up your own conclusions,” Murray said. “So yeah, I think he did the right thing because it got brought back up, so if guys who weren’t here, to communicate like he did back then, I think just communicate again to the guys who were here, I get it. I understand it. By doing that, yeah, OK, I’m aware of whatever happened. I still trust you, I still believe in the guy that I know.”

 

Ok, so a whole lot of talking about McD again addressing the speech from 2019. But not a single quote about how wrong the article is, and nothing about it misrepresenting McD or how the players feel.

 

Maybe they just weren't asked the right question. But I've had great bosses/leaders and if something like this came out about them, I would be front and center to whoever would listen railing against the BS.

 

Reid Ferguson had the most supportive quote

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“I thought coach did a good job, just trying to get everybody on the same page,” Ferguson said of the meeting. “And we – the guys that have been here, the guys that have gone through the ups and downs as a team, the guys that have signed extensions to continue playing here – those guys know what he’s all about and know the accountability that he takes. And we take that seriously.”

 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

It’s going to make being a Bills fan insufferable in places like Twitter.  TBH, I’m on the fence about McDermott.  I think the concerns about the end of games are valid.  I also think that because people don’t have confidence in him they’ll grasp at anything negative and assign blame to McDermott.  

 

An example as evidenced here is the dude who said every bad draft pick was McDermott and every good one was Beane.  Or how Dorsey’s shortcomings as an OC, which have been well documented, were all on McDermott under the “he’s the head coach” cop out.  While Dorsey was a lackluster hire, no one was a bigger proponent than Josh Allen.  The hire, although a bad one in hindsight, made a lot of sense.  
 

I felt Dunne went a step further in his article with the negative personal stories from the Quinton Spain’s of the world.   Which of course those people read and are “See…see…”
 

As long as people are fair, I don’t have a problem with the McDermott criticism.  Many of us have it as well.  I think there always has been a strong emphasis on defense… I would love to see the inverse of that.  

This is spot on!

 

People will create whatever narrative best fits their perspective. It isn’t that one is necessarily right or wrong, it’s the hyperbole and extremes that people use to emphasize that point that are annoying. 

 

It’s a little like that with Josh on Twitter too. The difference is the people on the negative side don’t have much more than “he has a lot of turnovers.” There are so many counters based on TD: turnover. Anyone informed can pretty easily embarrass the “anti-Josh crowd.”
 

The McDermott one is much tougher. You can make a strong case on both sides. I fall to the “he was the right guy to build a program but the wrong guy to win a championship” side. That isn’t necessarily right or wrong. If you said “he is killing them,” you could make that argument easily. If you say, he’s the best coach since Marv, you could easily make that argument as well. You’re seeing it within this thread.

[HOUSE]

Part 4 and 5 will be posted on Monday should the Bills lose

[wettlaufer]

52 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

I thought McDs presser was genuine and from the heart. I don't think he's fake at all. That perspective baffles me. He was noticably distressed in his eyes. 

 

I think it's fair to critique McD. There's been some issues over the years. But there's also been high positives. As I said, I'm not at all happy w how the Von Miller situation is being handled. 

 

Again, Dunne was very much a product and ally of the former Whaley regime. There was also likely some serious offense he perceives from McD that prematurely ended or derailed his legit media career. This is my speculation at least. I think he's very biased and dedicated to bring down McD. 

 

Dunne addressed the credentials thing. He says it's the Bills' prerogative and he understands.

 

Can I give you an assignment? Can you go out and talk with 25 people who have worked directly with Ty Dunne and report back? Because then you'd be on par with the work he did her. You are correct -- you are speculating from an emotional, uninformed perspective.

[Ray Stonada]

Wow, they got Trent Sherfield to stick up for him. 
 

Sherfield didn’t witness McDermott making the same mistakes since 2019… letting teams come back on us by coaching scared. 

 

Forget his speech making.

 

The guy is a mess as a coach. We loses games we should win. Over and over. 

[PBF81]

4 minutes ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said:

Part 4 and 5 will be posted on Monday should the Bills lose

 

Right after the entire offensive unit led by Allen & Diggs make independent statements of support for him.  

 

Anyone rooted in logic would question why that hasn't happened already.  

 

 

[CaliBills]

8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

If that article is the best example of players supporting McD, then McD is sunk. And all this article talks about is McD again addressing his 9/11 speech with the team.

 

 

Ok, so Hyde, which we already knew. Let's see what the Offensive players have to say in pouring out support and love for their coach...

 

 

Nothing major from Sherfield there other than stating the obvious. We know McD doesnt support terrorism.

 

How about from the rook...

 

 

Hmm, how about from the vet Latavius Murray...

 

 

Ok, so a whole lot of talking about McD again addressing the speech from 2019. But not a single quote about how wrong the article is, and nothing about it misrepresenting McD or how the players feel.

 

Maybe they just weren't asked the right question. But I've had great bosses/leaders and if something like this came out about them, I would be front and center to whoever would listen railing against the BS.

 

Reid Ferguson had the most supportive quote

 

 
maybe…. The players don’t give a s*** about something that was said 4 years ago and think it is stupid they are being asked about it and just say no comment.   
 

but sure keep reaching

[Wayne Arnold]

6 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you say here. I don't know Dunne from a whole in the wall.  I just have seen people like Tim Graham and such give him respect.  Yes, he may be as you say a tabloid peddler but I like reading that stuff as long as what is written is not made up.  I have no reason to believe any of his sources are fake.  I have no reason to believe anything his sources said was a lie and I have no reason to believe he inaccurately quoted his sources.  Some stuff in the article was his perception or take on the comments to paint a story, but I am intelligent enough to see opinion from the rest and I take it as such and make up my own mind.

 

I like reading that stuff because I like to know.  There are always secrets behind what really happens.  Not enough people report on that stuff.  I hear stat stuff and BS Josh Allen sucks talks everywhere.  I don't care to hear it all the time.  I mean, who didn't want to know what really happened with "i wasn't privy to that conversation" or things like who really took charge in that draft or when did they know they were going to fire Whaley.  Was it because of that?  Was it because McD didn't like him?  There are all kinds of things I would have liked to know from past regimes that people just speculate about.  Now we get real information and all people want to do is discredit it act as if it's all fake and all bs and just a witch hunt or something.  Why?  Because they are too scared that McD will get fired and we will end up like the Sabres.

 

What the Pegulas do with all this is their business.  Personally, I do not think McD is the right coach.  I think that he pisses his pants in key moments.  Something that Dunne tries to get across and pretty much outright says in the article, but I have thought that since 13 seconds.  The article had nothing to do with it.  I also think McD is a good football coach and everything he does is to try and get this team to win a championship.  I don't think anything he does has ill will and I have no reason to believe he is a bad guy.  I just think that "his way" is the wrong way.  This article pointed out to me more of the "his way" stuff that I didn't even know about. I believe every word of it.  Doesn't change anything for me really.  Just gives me more insight into his coaching. 

 

Ultimately, while I think McD is a good coach, I don't think he is a good enough coach.  As the article paints a picture of... this team is only going to win a championship if it overcomes the head coach.  I firmly believe that and I believed that before the article.  It's too hard to win a championship like that.  You already have to overcome injuries, referees sometimes, the way the ball bounces, luck, facing teams that are either better than you or at least on par with you.  It takes too much to win a championship if you have to overcome the HC. 

 

13 seconds is on Sean McDermott.  He has shown nothing since then that he learned from it.  In fact we have lost games in the same fashion from the same coaching style.  This is why I think he needs to go.  Not because of the article or anything in it.  Simply because I believe he isn't good enough and hasn't learned from that.  He still craps his pants.  He still folds in big moments.  This is why he takes timeouts at the end of the game defensively. Just kneeling the ball with Josh Allen and 20 secs against the best team in the league is enough to show me he hasn't learned a damn thing. It showed he is still coaching scared.  Instead of looking at what Josh could do in 20 seconds to win a game, he thought about what could lose the game.  I don't want a coach like that.  I want a coach that sees he has one of the best and most gifted QBs to ever play in the NFL, hands him the ball and says go win this football game.  Too many people are afraid that we will go back to being a crap team by hiring a worse coach.  As long as Josh Allen is here, it won't get worse.  Josh Allen is what is carrying this team, not Sean McDermott.

 

Anybody that disagrees with any of that, I respect that but this is my opinion on it.

 

Great post, Scott. Perfectly stated, I agree with everything 100%.

[PBF81]

1 minute ago, Ray Stonada said:

Wow, they got Trent Sherfield to stick up for him. 
 

Sherfield didn’t witness McDermott making the same mistakes since 2019… letting teams come back on us by coaching scared. 

 

Forget his speech making.

 

The guy is a mess as a coach. We loses games we should win. Over and over. 

 

Sherfield's brownnosing, clearly.  

 

Talk about ex-players with a grievance.  He'll be among them soon.  I wonder is his perspective will change at that point.  

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, CaliBills said:

 
maybe…. The players don’t give a s*** about something that was said 4 years ago and think it is stupid they are being asked about it and just say no comment.   
 

but sure keep reaching

 

Right. So why is the only thing the players are talking about that dumb 9/11 speech?

 

If I was a player, and I loved/liked/respected McD, and a mic was put in front of my face yesterday, I would have given my guy a vote of confidence and called out the article as BS. Or at least given my own opposing anecdote.

 

No one did except Micah Hyde.

 

Not a single other player, let alone a team leader like Josh, has come out and said the perception of McD stated in that article is wrong and that they love and support their guy.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

Wow, they got Trent Sherfield to stick up for him. 
 

Sherfield didn’t witness McDermott making the same mistakes since 2019… letting teams come back on us by coaching scared. 

 

Forget his speech making.

 

The guy is a mess as a coach. We loses games we should win. Over and over. 

 

3 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Sherfield's brownnosing, clearly.  

 

Talk about ex-players with a grievance.  He'll be among them soon.  I wonder is his perspective will change at that point.  

 

 

 

I wouldnt call Sherfield's quote sticking up for McD. He just stated they had a meeting about the old speech and no one cares. No duh.

 

It would be different if Sherfield said something like "The way they are trying to portray Coach in the media doesnt represent what I've seen at all." Or anything close to that.

[RunTheBall]

We will know how the players feel when we see who shows up this Sunday

[CaliBills]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Right. So why is the only thing the players are talking about that dumb 9/11 speech?

 

If I was a player, and I loved/liked/respected McD, and a mic was put in front of my face yesterday, I would have given my guy a vote of confidence and called out the article as BS. Or at least given my own opposing anecdote.

 

No one did except Micah Hyde.

 

Not a single other player, let alone a team leader like Josh, has come out and said the perception of McD stated in that article is wrong and that they love and support their guy.

 

 

 

 

I wouldnt call Sherfield's quote sticking up for McD. He just stated they had a meeting about the old speech and no one cares. No duh.

 

It would be different if Sherfield said something like "The way they are trying to portray Coach in the media doesnt represent what I've seen at all." Or anything close to that.

Well good luck trying to prove yourself right 

 

be careful up there, falling from that high horse might hurt. 
 

 

[Mikie2times]

Why did Chad Hall take a lateral move? 
 

Why did Leslie Frazier step down? 
 

Its not like this article is without smoke surrounding it. It seems pretty obvious to me at this point Frazier knew what was going to happen if he stayed and he just beat them to the punch and in hindsight yes, that would appear like McD passing the buck as his defense has regressed since his departure.

Edited December 9, 2023 by Mikie2times

[PBF81]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I wouldnt call Sherfield's quote sticking up for McD. He just stated they had a meeting about the old speech and no one cares. No duh.

 

It would be different if Sherfield said something like "The way they are trying to portray Coach in the media doesnt represent what I've seen at all." Or anything close to that.

 

Well, perhaps not directly, but he's the only offensive player that openly went on record, indirectly then.  

 

Way too much of this 9/11 thing is being made in this.  Sure, it was a glaring lack of judgement and gauche to be sure, but that's just a small fraction of far more relevant content in that series by Dunne.  

 

Agree with you however! 

 

 

[wettlaufer]

1 hour ago, KellyToTasker said:

Oh hey Tyler. 

 

Oh, hey, guy who didn't read the piece, who thinks his zero hours working in journalism and thinks that qualifies him to comment on the quality of reporting.

Can I come down to your workplace and comment on how biased and poor you are at your job, without really knowing what performance means in your job? Because yOu ArE BIAsEd anD haVe An aXe tO GRiNd?

[PBF81]

2 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

We will know how the players feel when we see who shows up this Sunday

 

And depending the outcome of the season.  If we miss the playoffs much less finish with a losing record, and nothing should be unimaginable by now for us Bills fans, expect much to surface.  

 

 

[LeGOATski]

5 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Why did Chad Hall take a lateral move? 
 

Why did Leslie Frazier step down? 
 

Its not like this article is without smoke surrounding it. It seems pretty obvious to me at this point Frazier knew what was going to happen if he stayed and he just beat them to the punch and in hindsight yes, that would appear like McD passing the buck as his defense has regressed since his departure.

McD's defense looked better than Frazier's with Jones, Milano, and White in there healthy.

[Niagara Dude]

3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Even if they won just one game (pick Jets, Denver, NE or Philly all lost in the last two minutes or OT), never mind Jax or Cincy & the Bills are in much better shape. 

I agree but winning 2 of those 3 games against Pats/Jets and Broncos and they are lined up to win the division in a season where there is no Joe Burrow or any dominant team.  We could easily see the Jags or Dolphins in the Super Bowl this year.