Joe Brady on the Allen/Davis Miscommunication

[BADOLBILZ]

17 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

There's one thing separating the Bills with teams like KC and Philly, and it's kind of an intangible.   The DNA makeup of the Buffalo Bills does not include the clutch gene.  They can compile some of the best offensive numbers the league has ever seen,  They have an incredible knockout punch against mediocre teams... and the defense can use smoke and mirrors to be top 5 in all sorts of categories.  But the team is not clutch when it counts.  and I don't know how that gets fixed.

 

 

Preparation creates clutch performance.......therefore it prevents un-clutch performance.    

 

When the Patriots beat the Seahawks in XLIX,  remarkably the last play they practiced that Friday was the exact play where Butler jumped the route and got the interception in the end zone.

 

Now that was "next level" prep.   You don't need that level to beat some douchebag like Nick Sirianni in a big game..........but I am quite certain that the Bills lack of a "clutch" gene is a direct result of them being accepting of a lower standard of preparation.

 

That was the biggest issue for the 1990's SB Bills teams.........they started with modest expectations........got REALLY good but were always sloppy and the conference set a low bar........then when what they were doing didn't quite yield championship results they still remained confident that what they were doing was enough.   It wasn't.   

 

There is an aspect of that with these Bills.   Their GM thinks he's good enough at WR positions.........their QB thinks 6 months away from football is fine........their HC thinks he can be the DC as well even though he wasn't great at late game decisions when he was just the HC.    They either don't know what they don't know or they just don't want to pay the price.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Preparation creates clutch performance.......therefore it prevents un-clutch performance.    

 

When the Patriots beat the Seahawks in XLIX,  remarkably the last play they practiced that Friday was the exact play where Butler jumped the route and got the interception in the end zone.

 

Now that was "next level" prep.   You don't need that level to beat some douchebag like Nick Sirianni in a big game..........but I am quite certain that the Bills lack of a "clutch" gene is a direct result of them being accepting of a lower standard of preparation.

 

That was the biggest issue for the 1990's SB Bills teams.........they started with modest expectations........got REALLY good but were always sloppy and the conference set a low bar........then when what they were doing didn't quite yield championship results they still remained confident that what they were doing was enough.   It wasn't.   

 

There is an aspect of that with these Bills.   Their GM thinks he's good enough at WR positions.........their QB thinks 6 months away from football is fine........their HC thinks he can be the DC as well even though he wasn't great at late game decisions when he was just the HC.    They either don't know what they don't know or they just don't want to pay the price.

yes

 

one of the most frustrating parts of the last 3 years has been the slow realization that top to bottom soup to nuts this entire squad just does not possess the wherewithal to buckle down and finish the job

[zow2]

12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Preparation creates clutch performance.......therefore it prevents un-clutch performance.    

 

Now that was "next level" prep.   You don't need that level to beat some douchebag like Nick Sirianni in a big game..........but I am quite certain that the Bills lack of a "clutch" gene is a direct result of them being accepting of a lower standard of preparation.

 

 

Maybe the Bills can start their prep by being able to send 11 men out on clutch FG defense at the end of a game.  Maybe 'ol Sean McD can actually count to 12 himself.  Just start with the little, easily controllable things.

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

yes

 

one of the most frustrating parts of the last 3 years has been the slow realization that top to bottom soup to nuts this entire squad just does not possess the wherewithal to buckle down and finish the job

 

I mean how stupid is it that Diggs is out there flapping his wings like we won...way before it's over..  Or Ed Oliver, or whoever jawing with fans during the action.  Jesus, buckle down guys.

Edited November 29, 2023 by zow2

[Shaw66]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Preparation creates clutch performance.......therefore it prevents un-clutch performance.    

 

When the Patriots beat the Seahawks in XLIX,  remarkably the last play they practiced that Friday was the exact play where Butler jumped the route and got the interception in the end zone.

 

Now that was "next level" prep.   You don't need that level to beat some douchebag like Nick Sirianni in a big game..........but I am quite certain that the Bills lack of a "clutch" gene is a direct result of them being accepting of a lower standard of preparation.

 

That was the biggest issue for the 1990's SB Bills teams.........they started with modest expectations........got REALLY good but were always sloppy and the conference set a low bar........then when what they were doing didn't quite yield championship results they still remained confident that what they were doing was enough.   It wasn't.   

 

There is an aspect of that with these Bills.   Their GM thinks he's good enough at WR positions.........their QB thinks 6 months away from football is fine........their HC thinks he can be the DC as well even though he wasn't great at late game decisions when he was just the HC.    They either don't know what they don't know or they just don't want to pay the price.

Bado -

 

I'll tell you where I disagree, but let me start by saying you're exactly right about "next level" prep.  That is what's missing.   It's completely clear when you look at the string of late-game failures, particularly in big games and playoff games.   Belichick understands "next level" prep.   

 

Where I disagree is that you then turn to WR and suggest they have the wrong players.   I don't think that's true, or to put it a different way, I think the guys they have will do just fine if they have "next level" prep.   Belichick won for years with a great QB and a lot of average players; he did it by having everyone, from the QB on down, buy into "next level" prep.  

 

I agree about Allen, and I've said it before.  He needs to be the leader in "next level" prep.  The team will follow him.  

 

And I don't agree that McDermott shouldn't be the coordinator - I think he has the same problem, whether he's the coordinator or not:  he needs "next level" prep also.  It's not that he isn't talented enough; it's that he hasn't thought about and mastered the details that he needs to.   

 

My complaint about McDermott is that by emphasizing versatility - let's be able to play every style - he sacrifices excellence in any particular style.   And I think there's a parallel when it comes to preparation:   I think he's great in the breadth of preparation ("we're going to have some preparation in everything"), but by going after breadth he sacrifices depth.   Davis can block and catches a lot of balls and all - nice breadth, but when the chips are down, has he really mastered the details that will the game?

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

Maybe the Bills can start their prep by being able to send 11 men out on clutch FG defense at the end of a game.  Maybe 'ol Sean McD can actually count to 12 himself.  Just start with the little, easily controllable things.

 

 

 

 

I mean how stupid is it that Diggs is out there flapping his wings like we won...way before it's over..  Or Ed Oliver, or whoever jawing with fans during the action.  Jesus, buckle down guys.

yeah exactly

 

in a tight game vs the best team in the league for basically the entire season and half the starting defense decides it's a good time to go start a fight w a fan

 

mentally weak from the top on down

[26TrapDraw]

Wow a coach with accountability. Well Holy %$#t!!!!!

[ShakAttack]

1 hour ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

So to Brady's quote "we knew this was coming".  This would have actually been a VERY GOOD use of a time out to ensure everyone was on the same page for this HUGE situation.  Seems like so many of our time outs are reactionary ("let's look at how they're gonna line up first"), silly ("Let's try to draw them Offside to get a first down") or wasted ("I'm gonna ice their kicker.  That's definitely gonna work").

But on a 3rd & 6 from their 22 in overtime where we potentially have 2 plays to get 6 yards, and we're sure what defense we're gonna see and which requires all pieces know how to react... 

 

Had the same thought man.  That's the GAME.  Defense is about to run an all-out blitz.  You're about to try to win the game with an option route after there has already been miscommunication on option routes during the game.  Why not call TO and make sure everyone is aligned before taking the most important snap of the game to that point??   I hate thinking about this play and would could have been, but can't help it.  It's always something or another.  SMH

[BillsSbSoon]

Mike Francesa on his podcast today said he spoke to someone who is very close to Allen and said it was Gabe’s fault and he broke the wrong way. Make of that what you will. 

[BillsFan130]

2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

We aren't?

"That starts with me." is practically tattooed on McDermott's forehead.

When has McDermott ever taken ownership after a loss in the last two years?

 

he will either say “we didn’t execute “.

 

Or even something as ridiculous as blaming his offensive coordinator for scoring too fast at the end of the broncos game lol

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

When has McDermott ever taken ownership after a loss in the last two years?

 

he will either say “we didn’t execute “.

 

Or even something as ridiculous as blaming his offensive coordinator for scoring too fast at the end of the broncos game lol

After every loss. Have you seriously never heard the quote I referenced?

I didn't even listen to the postgame or any of his pressers and SURPISE! He said it again.

"“Each and every one of us has to look at ourselves,” McDermott said. “Like I told you, that starts with me.""
https://www.niagara-gazette.com/sports/sabato-sean-mcdermotts-bills-defense-came-up-small-in-another-big-moment/article_dd5beda6-8cd8-11ee-a2b9-d312178243d7.html

"Accountability" is a dumb word people use when what they really want is results. No one at any job has anyone ever said "well, I was really mad we ***** up until the guy told us he ***** up" No one cares.

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

After every loss. Have you seriously never heard the quote I referenced?

I didn't even listen to the postgame or any of his pressers and SURPISE! He said it again.

"“Each and every one of us has to look at ourselves,” McDermott said. “Like I told you, that starts with me.""
https://www.niagara-gazette.com/sports/sabato-sean-mcdermotts-bills-defense-came-up-small-in-another-big-moment/article_dd5beda6-8cd8-11ee-a2b9-d312178243d7.html

"Accountability" is a dumb word people use when what they really want is results. No one at any job has anyone ever said "well, I was really mad we ***** up until the guy told us he ***** up" No one cares.

Ok I’ll give him that as he did take some responsibility there.

 

Thats extremely rare from him though and yes I’ve heard him speak many times after a loss.

 

He passive aggressively throws players and coaches under the bus all the time .

 

”i felt like we scored too fast there” against Denver.

Like that’s a disgraceful thing to say as a “leader” especially when his idiotic defensive play calling and the special teams gaf (which as the head coach he’s ultimately responsible for) cost them the game.

 

 

[DuckyBoys]

44 minutes ago, BobBelcher said:

 

Had the same thought man.  That's the GAME.  Defense is about to run an all-out blitz.  You're about to try to win the game with an option route after there has already been miscommunication on option routes during the game.  Why not call TO and make sure everyone is aligned before taking the most important snap of the game to that point??   I hate thinking about this play and would could have been, but can't help it.  It's always something or another.  SMH

Have to save those time out to ice kickers and make sure your prevent defense is on the same page.  Agreed they should have talked over what was happening to make certain  Not leave to it a split decision by both players with options involved

[pennstate10]

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Bado -

 

I'll tell you where I disagree, but let me start by saying you're exactly right about "next level" prep.  That is what's missing.   It's completely clear when you look at the string of late-game failures, particularly in big games and playoff games.   Belichick understands "next level" prep.   

 

Where I disagree is that you then turn to WR and suggest they have the wrong players.   I don't think that's true, or to put it a different way, I think the guys they have will do just fine if they have "next level" prep.   Belichick won for years with a great QB and a lot of average players; he did it by having everyone, from the QB on down, buy into "next level" prep.  

 

I agree about Allen, and I've said it before.  He needs to be the leader in "next level" prep.  The team will follow him.  

 

And I don't agree that McDermott shouldn't be the coordinator - I think he has the same problem, whether he's the coordinator or not:  he needs "next level" prep also.  It's not that he isn't talented enough; it's that he hasn't thought about and mastered the details that he needs to.   

 

My complaint about McDermott is that by emphasizing versatility - let's be able to play every style - he sacrifices excellence in any particular style.   And I think there's a parallel when it comes to preparation:   I think he's great in the breadth of preparation ("we're going to have some preparation in everything"), but by going after breadth he sacrifices depth.   Davis can block and catches a lot of balls and all - nice breadth, but when the chips are down, has he really mastered the details that will the game?

Agree with the lack of next level prep and Allen as leader. 
 

Allen is one of, if not the most talented QB of this century. 
 

But the team has to want to be champions, and put in the off-season work. I don’t think they’re doing so. I get that organized team activities are optional, but these guys are making millions of $ per year. It wouldn’t be so hard to put in a bit more work. 
 

it’s been said that you need to put in 10000 hours to be expert at an activity, whether it’s playing the cello, shooting free throws, or learning the intricacies of option routes. 
 

I don’t see as many miscommunications with other teams. I don’t think Bills are putting in the time. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

We still talking about this? 

[BullBuchanan]

11 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Ok I’ll give him that as he did take some responsibility there.

 

Thats extremely rare from him though and yes I’ve heard him speak many times after a loss.

No, it isn't. He's said it dozens of times.

Two weeks ago: https://www.niagara-gazette.com/sports/sabato-sean-mcdermott-isnt-on-the-hot-seat-but-winning-is-the-only-way-to/article_efae1be0-8595-11ee-90ed-7fad971750e6.html

13 Seconds: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/sean-mcdermott-on-bills-not-squib-kicking-with-13-seconds-left-against-chiefs-that-starts-with-me/

 

Culture Change: https://billswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/13/bills-hc-sean-mcdermott-sets-tone-for-culture-change-that-starts-with-me/

 

2017: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2733856-sean-mcdermott-tyrod-taylor-to-remain-bills-starting-quarterback-vs-broncos
 

11 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

He passive aggressively throws players and coaches under the bus all the time .

 

”i felt like we scored too fast there” against Denver.

Like that’s a disgraceful thing to say as a “leader” especially when his idiotic defensive play calling and the special teams gaf (which as the head coach he’s ultimately responsible for) cost them the game.

Have you never heard a head coach before? It's HIS team. He doesn't blame anyone, and uses the royal "we" instead, putting himself front and center for the blame. How else should he answer a question that points to a  strategy he's is responsible for?

"Disgraceful"?! Dude, I hated McDermott as a hire and it's on record here, but you're so so completely off base on everything about the guy and a coach's responsibilities in general, that I gotta stand up for the guy because you're slandering him for completely ridiculous things.

The dude sucks, but not for any of the reasons you've laid out.

Edited November 29, 2023 by BullBuchanan

[transplantbillsfan]

21 hours ago, MJS said:

Joe Marino came to the conclusion that it was probably Josh Allen's fault. But he had a split second to make that decision given the pressure. So, it is what it is.

 

I think it's interesting Joe came to that conclusion.  I listen to Locked on Bills and heard that, too.

 

Greg Cosell was on OBL today and he said the opposite.  It's towards the end of the video, but what he says is (to paraphrase) is that in all his years of speaking with NFL coaches that players are taught that on a Zero Blitz, that leaves the middle of the field open and that's where the WRs should go to help their QB.

 

I thought that was a great explanation and it makes perfect sense.  If true (seems to be to me), the onus is on Gabe.

 

[BillsFan130]

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

No, it isn't. He's said it dozens of times.

Two weeks ago: https://www.niagara-gazette.com/sports/sabato-sean-mcdermott-isnt-on-the-hot-seat-but-winning-is-the-only-way-to/article_efae1be0-8595-11ee-90ed-7fad971750e6.html

13 Seconds: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/sean-mcdermott-on-bills-not-squib-kicking-with-13-seconds-left-against-chiefs-that-starts-with-me/

 

Culture Change: https://billswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/13/bills-hc-sean-mcdermott-sets-tone-for-culture-change-that-starts-with-me/

 

2017: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2733856-sean-mcdermott-tyrod-taylor-to-remain-bills-starting-quarterback-vs-broncos
 

Have you never heard a head coach before? It's HIS team. He doesn't blame anyone, and uses the royal "we" instead, putting himself front and center for the blame. How else should he answer a question that points to a  strategy he's is responsible for?

"Disgraceful"?! Dude, I hated McDermott as a hire and it's on record here, but you're so so completely off base on everything about the guy and a coach's responsibilities in general, that I gotta stand up for the guy because you're slandering him for completely ridiculous things.

The dude sucks, but not for any of the reasons you've laid out.

“Starts with me”. Then goes on to blame everyone else but himself basically .

 

You don’t do that as a leader/coach 

 

“Extreme ownership “ by Jocko.

 

if you haven’t read that, highly recommended.

 

That’s how a leader should lead.

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I think it's interesting Joe came to that conclusion.  I listen to Locked on Bills and heard that, too.

 

Greg Cosell was on OBL today and he said the opposite.  It's towards the end of the video, but what he says is (to paraphrase) is that in all his years of speaking with NFL coaches that players are taught that on a Zero Blitz, that leaves the middle of the field open and that's where the WRs should go to help their QB.

 

I thought that was a great explanation and it makes perfect sense.  If true (seems to be to me), the onus is on Gabe.

 

Did Josh see the zero blitz presnap and call it out? I'd think that would be his responsibility, not Gabe's.

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

“Starts with me”. Then goes on to blame everyone else but himself basically .

 

You don’t do that as a leader/coach 

 

“Extreme ownership “ by Jocko.

 

if you haven’t read that, highly recommended.

 

That’s how a leader should lead.

 

 

You seem to think an explanation means blaming. He's telling you why he thinks they failed, which is answering the question being asked.

Again, no one cares about accountability. They only care about results.

[Simon]

3 hours ago, 34-78-83 said:

I felt like it was visually obvious that the Cb had inside position on the play.

 

I would agree with you that the post is the easier throw and catch outside of the positioning.

 

I kind of thought that as soon as they blew the switch that the leverage became irrelevant because there wasn't any.

Gabe ran to to grass but I doubt he need to take it out to the corner; just keep rollling upfield and you're home free.

The biggest mistake was probably not getting his head around immediately, imo.

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I kind of thought that as soon as they blew the switch that the leverage became irrelevant because there wasn't any.

Gabe ran to to grass but I doubt he need to take it out to the corner; just keep rollling upfield and you're home free.

The biggest mistake was probably not getting his head around immediately, imo.

It reminded me a little of the second TD in the 13second game tbh

 

No switch but still defense in man zero