24 Hour Later Thoughts... Even a DEEP Thought

[corta765]

My general rule of thumb is to not comment to much until 24 hrs pass after a game because the feeling can be too raw good or bad. Enough time has past and were 23 hrs later so close enough, this is some things I feel after this game:

 

1. The offense looked cleaner and played with more of a purpose in terms of play design. My general feeling with Dorsey grew that it became too vanilla and too much hinged on one or two things per play putting a lot of pressure on Josh to be perfect which is why I felt he looked off as time progressed. After the Packer/Jets mid season games it seemed like defenses had figured out that Buffalo played a very basic package that was predictable. Doesn't mean the offense did not have success as the numbers show, but from poor play designs, to times you really felt like at home you knew what was coming, or just play calls coming in late things felt off more often then not and it was Josh being a hero. It is only one game, but everything people said about Brady as an OC seemed evident as they played far looser and crisper then we have seen in a long time. The mesh design on the Cook TD was beautiful and something you didn't get with Dorsey. I am forgetting the name of the reporter but Buffalo used motion on 19 plays the highest they have since 2019. The middle of the field was actually worked as Shakir and Kincaid just ate the Jets middle which they needed to do as the Jets did cover Diggs and Davis well. Again one game, but the change in approach was noticeable.

 

2. With all of that said a few bounces finally just went Buffalo's way. From the opening fumble on it was a day which things finally went Buffalo's direction and they were due for some breaks as the last few weeks regardless of opinion on the offense their luck was crap across the board. Even the beautiful play by Allen to beat Gardner and connect with Shakir had a feeling of finally as the amount of tipped passes by defenders had gotten annoying. Only Josh can make that throw and what a throw it was, but finally a defender also didn't have there play of the damn year against us.

 

3. Someday a book will explained why Josh in a year and half of Dorsey as coordinator went from a happy golden retriever to a low positive guy looking for his volleyball at sea. Maybe finally the Bills had the hammer from the start and it is always easier or Dorsey being fired got Josh rezoned. Not sure what it is, but maybe just maybe letting your Demi God of a QB do a QB draw and have some fun which he enjoys a few times allowed the guy to free up.

 

4. The Jets wasted a division title caliber defense by never finding another QB. It is trying mind numbing that they were so stuck in playing Wilson they never explored an alternative. Watching Josh Dobbs play competent QB last night had to be beyond aggravating for Jet fans as truthfully I think was just league average QB play they probably win the division this season. Breece Hall had some very nice players yesterday and Garrett Wilson is being wasted over there. Happy them not us but dang.

 

Deep Thought! : Yesterday's 81 yard Shakir TD was the 2nd longest TD of Josh's career. Can you name the 1st and 3rd longest? (NO CHEATING)
 

5. Douglas is a really really nice player that was acquired basically for the compensation pick the Bills will get for Edmunds. I am 100% fine with cutting Tre White (love him to death but $ is high and two knee injuries no bueno) as next year you can easily roll this as your starting 3 CBs:

 

CB1 Benford CB2 Douglas NCB Johnson

 

I think Poyer may be gone after this year so you will need a new safety soon and Hyde probably has a year left, but the secondary should remain quite talented and stable which is nice. Dane Jackson is fine as the 4th guy out there.

 

6. Von Miller has to be recovering still he just does not look right. I understand they are aiming for him to hit his stride around KC based off all comments, but it really does feel like he rushed back and isn't there. He has just two tackle since returning and while he is on a pitch count you would like to seem some production. Hopefully he makes me eat my words against PHI and finds his stride, but it really is frustratingly unfortunate as literally until injury he was great last year and now its like we have a lemon at DE were paying big money for.

 

7. This is the best the defensive line has been since 2014. It really is unfortunate Jones isn't hear to join the fun and Von is at 50%, but regardless they have been a lot of fun to watch over the season and helped to bail out the defense in some games where the rest of the team is hurt or just off. Leonard Floyd has been truly superb with 9.5 sacks already while Epenesa & Oliver both have 6. Groot started hot and again it looks like injury has slowed him, but as a unit they are at 39 sacks and pacing for 60 on the year which would be their highest in team history if they hit it. Granted extra game played now, but even with one less game they would tie the 2014 unit with 57 sacks which is the team record.

 

8. On a more serious note they got the W which had to happen to keep their playoffs hope going. The tough part is now full center though as 10 wins at this point probably gets you in given the attrition starting in the AFC and lack of playable QBs. But if they truly want to feel better the Bills have to find a way to beat PHI or KC in their house. Neither stadium is an easy place and both teams are superb. But this is the hole they dug for themselves with the bad losses to NYJ/NE that never should have happened. Regardless I feel OK that they can probably take DAL/at LAC/NE for a nice 3 pack of wins, the key to getting some spacing is the next two.

[Big Turk]

The first longest is obviously Gabe Davis 98 yarder against the Steelers last year on their 1st series after the returner fumbled the opening kickoff.

 

3rd...I am going to guess Robert Foster against the Jags?  I think that was 75 yards if I remember correctly...the Jalen Ramsey "Trash" game.

11 minutes ago, corta765 said:

My general rule of thumb is to not comment to much until 24 hrs pass after a game because the feeling can be too raw good or bad. Enough time has past and were 23 hrs later so close enough, this is some things I feel after this game:

 

1. The offense looked cleaner and played with more of a purpose in terms of play design. My general feeling with Dorsey grew that it became too vanilla and too much hinged on one or two things per play putting a lot of pressure on Josh to be perfect which is why I felt he looked off as time progressed. After the Packer/Jets mid season games it seemed like defenses had figured out that Buffalo played a very basic package that was predictable. Doesn't mean the offense did not have success as the numbers show, but from poor play designs, to times you really felt like at home you knew what was coming, or just play calls coming in late things felt off more often then not and it was Josh being a hero. It is only one game, but everything people said about Brady as an OC seemed evident as they played far looser and crisper then we have seen in a long time. The mesh design on the Cook TD was beautiful and something you didn't get with Dorsey. I am forgetting the name of the reporter but Buffalo used motion on 19 plays the highest they have since 2019. The middle of the field was actually worked as Shakir and Kincaid just ate the Jets middle which they needed to do as the Jets did cover Diggs and Davis well. Again one game, but the change in approach was noticeable.

 

2. With all of that said a few bounces finally just went Buffalo's way. From the opening fumble on it was a day which things finally went Buffalo's direction and they were due for some breaks as the last few weeks regardless of opinion on the offense their luck was crap across the board. Even the beautiful play by Allen to beat Gardner and connect with Shakir had a feeling of finally as the amount of tipped passes by defenders had gotten annoying. Only Josh can make that throw and what a throw it was, but finally a defender also didn't have there play of the damn year against us.

 

3. Someday a book will explained why Josh in a year and half of Dorsey as coordinator went from a happy golden retriever to a low positive guy looking for his volleyball at sea. Maybe finally the Bills had the hammer from the start and it is always easier or Dorsey being fired got Josh rezoned. Not sure what it is, but maybe just maybe letting your Demi God of a QB do a QB draw and have some fun which he enjoys a few times allowed the guy to free up.

 

4. The Jets wasted a division title caliber defense by never finding another QB. It is trying mind numbing that they were so stuck in playing Wilson they never explored an alternative. Watching Josh Dobbs play competent QB last night had to be beyond aggravating for Jet fans as truthfully I think was just league average QB play they probably win the division this season. Breece Hall had some very nice players yesterday and Garrett Wilson is being wasted over there. Happy them not us but dang.

 

Deep Thought! : Yesterday's 81 yard Shakir TD was the 2nd longest TD of Josh's career. Can you name the 1st and 3rd longest? (NO CHEATING)
 

5. Douglas is a really really nice player that was acquired basically for the compensation pick the Bills will get for Edmunds. I am 100% fine with cutting Tre White (love him to death but $ is high and two knee injuries no bueno) as next year you can easily roll this as your starting 3 CBs:

 

CB1 Benford CB2 Douglas NCB Johnson

 

I think Poyer may be gone after this year so you will need a new safety soon and Hyde probably has a year left, but the secondary should remain quite talented and stable which is nice. Dane Jackson is fine as the 4th guy out there.

 

6. Von Miller has to be recovering still he just does not look right. I understand they are aiming for him to hit his stride around KC based off all comments, but it really does feel like he rushed back and isn't there. He has just two tackle since returning and while he is on a pitch count you would like to seem some production. Hopefully he makes me eat my words against PHI and finds his stride, but it really is frustratingly unfortunate as literally until injury he was great last year and now its like we have a lemon at DE were paying big money for.

 

7. This is the best the defensive line has been since 2014. It really is unfortunate Jones isn't hear to join the fun and Von is at 50%, but regardless they have been a lot of fun to watch over the season and helped to bail out the defense in some games where the rest of the team is hurt or just off. Leonard Floyd has been truly superb with 9.5 sacks already while Epenesa & Oliver both have 6. Groot started hot and again it looks like injury has slowed him, but as a unit they are at 39 sacks and pacing for 60 on the year which would be their highest in team history if they hit it. Granted extra game played now, but even with one less game they would tie the 2014 unit with 57 sacks which is the team record.

 

8. On a more serious note they got the W which had to happen to keep their playoffs hope going. The tough part is now full center though as 10 wins at this point probably gets you in given the attrition starting in the AFC and lack of playable QBs. But if they truly want to feel better the Bills have to find a way to beat PHI or KC in their house. Neither stadium is an easy place and both teams are superb. But this is the hole they dug for themselves with the bad losses to NYJ/NE that never should have happened. Regardless I feel OK that they can probably take DAL/at LAC/NE for a nice 3 pack of wins, the key to getting some spacing is the next two.

 

People who say Von is being "rushed" back don't seem to get that it's a normal part of progression from the injury.  That's just how it works and why it takes around a year or so from the time they start playing again to get back to their old self.  That isn't rushing anyone back and it's not something wrong.  That's literally how it works for every player not named Adrian Peterson.  

 

If they would have let him play to start the season or to play after they activated him immediately from PUP, then maybe you had a case.  IF anything, they have done the opposite of rushing them back.  I suggest you understand how the process of a player returning from these type of injuries actually works.  They have to play thru it...there is no other way...you cannot simulate game reps in another manner.

 

He is also still wearing a brace that restricts movement and eliminates some of the more freakish things he can usually do.

 

Edited November 20, 2023 by Big Turk

[frostbitmic]

On Offense Josh seemed to be having fun, he sprinted all the way down the field to congratulate Shakir after his 81 yd TD.

 

On Defense it's amazing what playing against a QB who couldn't go back to his alma mater to start can do for you. The turn overs, pressures and sacks made life easier for the Offense.

 

Now lets see them do that against a very good team like the Eagles instead of the Div III Jests.

[corta765]

10 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

The first longest is obviously Gabe Davis 98 yarder against the Steelers last year on their 1st series after the returner fumbled the opening kickoff.

 

3rd...I am going to guess Robert Foster against the Jags?  I think that was 75 yards if I remember correctly...the Jalen Ramsey "Trash" game.

 

 

Correct

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

17 minutes ago, corta765 said:

My general rule of thumb is to not comment to much until 24 hrs pass after a game because the feeling can be too raw good or bad. Enough time has past and were 23 hrs later so close enough, this is some things I feel after this game:

 

1. The offense looked cleaner and played with more of a purpose in terms of play design. My general feeling with Dorsey grew that it became too vanilla and too much hinged on one or two things per play putting a lot of pressure on Josh to be perfect which is why I felt he looked off as time progressed. After the Packer/Jets mid season games it seemed like defenses had figured out that Buffalo played a very basic package that was predictable. Doesn't mean the offense did not have success as the numbers show, but from poor play designs, to times you really felt like at home you knew what was coming, or just play calls coming in late things felt off more often then not and it was Josh being a hero. It is only one game, but everything people said about Brady as an OC seemed evident as they played far looser and crisper then we have seen in a long time. The mesh design on the Cook TD was beautiful and something you didn't get with Dorsey. I am forgetting the name of the reporter but Buffalo used motion on 19 plays the highest they have since 2019. The middle of the field was actually worked as Shakir and Kincaid just ate the Jets middle which they needed to do as the Jets did cover Diggs and Davis well. Again one game, but the change in approach was noticeable.

 

2. With all of that said a few bounces finally just went Buffalo's way. From the opening fumble on it was a day which things finally went Buffalo's direction and they were due for some breaks as the last few weeks regardless of opinion on the offense their luck was crap across the board. Even the beautiful play by Allen to beat Gardner and connect with Shakir had a feeling of finally as the amount of tipped passes by defenders had gotten annoying. Only Josh can make that throw and what a throw it was, but finally a defender also didn't have there play of the damn year against us.

 

3. Someday a book will explained why Josh in a year and half of Dorsey as coordinator went from a happy golden retriever to a low positive guy looking for his volleyball at sea. Maybe finally the Bills had the hammer from the start and it is always easier or Dorsey being fired got Josh rezoned. Not sure what it is, but maybe just maybe letting your Demi God of a QB do a QB draw and have some fun which he enjoys a few times allowed the guy to free up.

 

4. The Jets wasted a division title caliber defense by never finding another QB. It is trying mind numbing that they were so stuck in playing Wilson they never explored an alternative. Watching Josh Dobbs play competent QB last night had to be beyond aggravating for Jet fans as truthfully I think was just league average QB play they probably win the division this season. Breece Hall had some very nice players yesterday and Garrett Wilson is being wasted over there. Happy them not us but dang.

 

Deep Thought! : Yesterday's 81 yard Shakir TD was the 2nd longest TD of Josh's career. Can you name the 1st and 3rd longest? (NO CHEATING)
 

5. Douglas is a really really nice player that was acquired basically for the compensation pick the Bills will get for Edmunds. I am 100% fine with cutting Tre White (love him to death but $ is high and two knee injuries no bueno) as next year you can easily roll this as your starting 3 CBs:

 

CB1 Benford CB2 Douglas NCB Johnson

 

I think Poyer may be gone after this year so you will need a new safety soon and Hyde probably has a year left, but the secondary should remain quite talented and stable which is nice. Dane Jackson is fine as the 4th guy out there.

 

6. Von Miller has to be recovering still he just does not look right. I understand they are aiming for him to hit his stride around KC based off all comments, but it really does feel like he rushed back and isn't there. He has just two tackle since returning and while he is on a pitch count you would like to seem some production. Hopefully he makes me eat my words against PHI and finds his stride, but it really is frustratingly unfortunate as literally until injury he was great last year and now its like we have a lemon at DE were paying big money for.

 

7. This is the best the defensive line has been since 2014. It really is unfortunate Jones isn't hear to join the fun and Von is at 50%, but regardless they have been a lot of fun to watch over the season and helped to bail out the defense in some games where the rest of the team is hurt or just off. Leonard Floyd has been truly superb with 9.5 sacks already while Epenesa & Oliver both have 6. Groot started hot and again it looks like injury has slowed him, but as a unit they are at 39 sacks and pacing for 60 on the year which would be their highest in team history if they hit it. Granted extra game played now, but even with one less game they would tie the 2014 unit with 57 sacks which is the team record.

 

8. On a more serious note they got the W which had to happen to keep their playoffs hope going. The tough part is now full center though as 10 wins at this point probably gets you in given the attrition starting in the AFC and lack of playable QBs. But if they truly want to feel better the Bills have to find a way to beat PHI or KC in their house. Neither stadium is an easy place and both teams are superb. But this is the hole they dug for themselves with the bad losses to NYJ/NE that never should have happened. Regardless I feel OK that they can probably take DAL/at LAC/NE for a nice 3 pack of wins, the key to getting some spacing is the next two.

 

Skydiver knows one of them lol

 

[Logic]

21 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

 

4. The Jets wasted a division title caliber defense by never finding another QB. It is trying mind numbing that they were so stuck in playing Wilson they never explored an alternative. Watching Josh Dobbs play competent QB last night had to be beyond aggravating for Jet fans as truthfully I think was just league average QB play they probably win the division this season. Breece Hall had some very nice players yesterday and Garrett Wilson is being wasted over there. Happy them not us but dang.

 

 

7. This is the best the defensive line has been since 2014. It really is unfortunate Jones isn't hear to join the fun and Von is at 50%, but regardless they have been a lot of fun to watch over the season and helped to bail out the defense in some games where the rest of the team is hurt or just off. Leonard Floyd has been truly superb with 9.5 sacks already while Epenesa & Oliver both have 6. Groot started hot and again it looks like injury has slowed him, but as a unit they are at 39 sacks and pacing for 60 on the year which would be their highest in team history if they hit it. Granted extra game played now, but even with one less game they would tie the 2014 unit with 57 sacks which is the team record.

 

8. On a more serious note they got the W which had to happen to keep their playoffs hope going. The tough part is now full center though as 10 wins at this point probably gets you in given the attrition starting in the AFC and lack of playable QBs. But if they truly want to feel better the Bills have to find a way to beat PHI or KC in their house. Neither stadium is an easy place and both teams are superb. But this is the hole they dug for themselves with the bad losses to NYJ/NE that never should have happened. Regardless I feel OK that they can probably take DAL/at LAC/NE for a nice 3 pack of wins, the key to getting some spacing is the next two.

Thanks for the nice writeup. Just wanted to say one thing in response that kind of ties these three bullet points together:

If the Bills can't find their way to 10 wins and a playoff spot, then they -- just like the Jets -- will have wasted a division-winning roster of talent. From the vastly improved OL, to the young offensive playmakers stepping up, to Josh Allen having a very good year (despite all the talk over his facial expressions and the tone of his voice in interviews) to, most especially, this beast of a defensive line. Injuries or not, if the Bills can't find their way into the postseason with THIS cast of players, it will represent an absolute criminal waste of talent.

I hope the Bills can do just what you say and win one of the next two (preferably the Chiefs game, for seeding reasons) and then handle business in the other games. If the Bills CAN get into the postseason? With this defensive line, potentially a Von Miller returning to effectiveness, potentially a Daquan Jones returning to the field, with the adversity they will have overcome to get there....I wouldn't want to have to face them.

Lots has to happen before any of that can become a consideration. Let's see how they look in Philly and KC.

Edited November 20, 2023 by Logic

[corta765]

12 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

The first longest is obviously Gabe Davis 98 yarder against the Steelers last year on their 1st series after the returner fumbled the opening kickoff.

 

3rd...I am going to guess Robert Foster against the Jags?  I think that was 75 yards if I remember correctly...the Jalen Ramsey "Trash" game.

 

People who say Von is being "rushed" back don't seem to get that it's a normal part of progression from the injury.  That's just how it works and why it takes around a year or so from the time they start playing again to get back to their old self.  That isn't rushing anyone back and it's not something wrong.  That's literally how it works for every player not named Adrian Peterson.  

 

If they would have let him play to start the season or to play after they activated him immediately from PUP, then maybe you had a case.  IF anything, they have done the opposite of rushing them back.  I suggest you understand how the process of a player returning from these type of injuries actually works.  They have to play thru it...there is no other way...you cannot simulate game reps in another manner.

 

He is also still wearing a brace that restricts movement and eliminates some of the more freakish things he can usually do.

 

 

I would have rather he just was kept on PUP until bye then. They could've used his spot for a player fully able to play that can do more. It legitimately impacted their games like CIN when he is not his full self and misses plays. I don't disagree on player recovery and they need live bullets, but I thought how Tre came back honestly was a better approach.

[Success]

Agree on that last part.  Need to win at least 1 of the next 2.  Lose to both Philly & KC, and they'll have to run the table after that to have a shot.

 

I'm not even positive 10-7 does it w/ our conference record, but it should given the strength of the WC competition.

 

Great write-up.

 

[corta765]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

Thanks for the nice writeup. Just wanted to say one thing in response that kind of ties these three bullet points together:

If the Bills can't find their way to 10 wins and a playoff spot, then they -- just like the Jets -- will have wasted a division-winning roster of talent. From the vastly improved OL, to the young offensive playmakers stepping up, to Josh Allen having a very good year (despite all the talk over his facial expressions and the tone of his voice in interviews) to, most especially, this beast of a defensive line. Injuries or not, if the Bills can't find their way into the postseason with THIS cast of players, it will represent an absolute criminal waste of talent.

I hope the Bills can do just what you say and win one of the next two (preferably the Chiefs game, for seeding reasons) and then handle business in the other games. If the Bills CAN get into the postseason? With this defensive line, potentially a Von Miller returning to effectiveness, potentially a Daquan Jones returning to the field, with the adversity they will have overcome to get there....I wouldn't want to have to face them.

Lots has to happen before any of that can become a consideration. Let's see how they look in Philly and KC.

I would say for the Bills it is even worse as the Jets at least lost a very good QB for the year. In Buffalo's case we have a QB again putting up MVP caliber numbers and we still have misfired then.

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

I would have rather he just was kept on PUP until bye then. They could've used his spot for a player fully able to play that can do more. It legitimately impacted their games like CIN when he is not his full self and misses plays. I don't disagree on player recovery and they need live bullets, but I thought how Tre came back honestly was a better approach.

 

And then what?  How would that help have him right for the playoff run?  Again, you don't seem to get it...he isn't going to AT ANY POINT just magically come back and be the same player WITHOUT going through 10-12 weeks of slow improvements and not being right.  There is no other way to do it...you just have to let him go out and play through it.

 

So wait until after the Bye to start the 10-12 weeks of slow improvements?  Makes no sense.

 

Maybe this works in Madden where players come back and automatically are their same self right away, but it doesn't work in real life.

Edited November 20, 2023 by Big Turk

[corta765]

10 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

On Offense Josh seemed to be having fun, he sprinted all the way down the field to congratulate Shakir after his 81 yd TD.

 

On Defense it's amazing what playing against a QB who couldn't go back to his alma mater to start can do for you. The turn overs, pressures and sacks made life easier for the Offense.

 

Now lets see them do that against a very good team like the Eagles instead of the Div III Jests.

 

Agreed to an extent. The Jets defense is superb and their ability to keep their team in games week in week out cannot be discounted. Buffalo gets props for putting 30+ on them when no one else has and putting the game out of reach quickly. Unlike week 1 where Josh singlehandidly kept them in it, yesterday he made it a non issue. That counts to me.

BUT yea lets see the offense string 3-4 games of solid consistent play together. Do that and you have my faith for real.

[Draconator]

I've seen a lot of comments about Josh's enthusiasm after Shakir's touchdown. But before that, Josh ran to Ty Johnson and jumped in his arms while Ty was in the stands to celebrate his TD. That was when Josh was back for me. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

25 minutes ago, corta765 said:

My general rule of thumb is to not comment to much until 24 hrs pass after a game because the feeling can be too raw good or bad. Enough time has past and were 23 hrs later so close enough, this is some things I feel after this game:

 

1. The offense looked cleaner and played with more of a purpose in terms of play design. My general feeling with Dorsey grew that it became too vanilla and too much hinged on one or two things per play putting a lot of pressure on Josh to be perfect which is why I felt he looked off as time progressed. After the Packer/Jets mid season games it seemed like defenses had figured out that Buffalo played a very basic package that was predictable. Doesn't mean the offense did not have success as the numbers show, but from poor play designs, to times you really felt like at home you knew what was coming, or just play calls coming in late things felt off more often then not and it was Josh being a hero. It is only one game, but everything people said about Brady as an OC seemed evident as they played far looser and crisper then we have seen in a long time. The mesh design on the Cook TD was beautiful and something you didn't get with Dorsey. I am forgetting the name of the reporter but Buffalo used motion on 19 plays the highest they have since 2019. The middle of the field was actually worked as Shakir and Kincaid just ate the Jets middle which they needed to do as the Jets did cover Diggs and Davis well. Again one game, but the change in approach was noticeable.

 

2. With all of that said a few bounces finally just went Buffalo's way. From the opening fumble on it was a day which things finally went Buffalo's direction and they were due for some breaks as the last few weeks regardless of opinion on the offense their luck was crap across the board. Even the beautiful play by Allen to beat Gardner and connect with Shakir had a feeling of finally as the amount of tipped passes by defenders had gotten annoying. Only Josh can make that throw and what a throw it was, but finally a defender also didn't have there play of the damn year against us.

 

3. Someday a book will explained why Josh in a year and half of Dorsey as coordinator went from a happy golden retriever to a low positive guy looking for his volleyball at sea. Maybe finally the Bills had the hammer from the start and it is always easier or Dorsey being fired got Josh rezoned. Not sure what it is, but maybe just maybe letting your Demi God of a QB do a QB draw and have some fun which he enjoys a few times allowed the guy to free up.

 

4. The Jets wasted a division title caliber defense by never finding another QB. It is trying mind numbing that they were so stuck in playing Wilson they never explored an alternative. Watching Josh Dobbs play competent QB last night had to be beyond aggravating for Jet fans as truthfully I think was just league average QB play they probably win the division this season. Breece Hall had some very nice players yesterday and Garrett Wilson is being wasted over there. Happy them not us but dang.

 

Deep Thought! : Yesterday's 81 yard Shakir TD was the 2nd longest TD of Josh's career. Can you name the 1st and 3rd longest? (NO CHEATING)
 

5. Douglas is a really really nice player that was acquired basically for the compensation pick the Bills will get for Edmunds. I am 100% fine with cutting Tre White (love him to death but $ is high and two knee injuries no bueno) as next year you can easily roll this as your starting 3 CBs:

 

CB1 Benford CB2 Douglas NCB Johnson

 

I think Poyer may be gone after this year so you will need a new safety soon and Hyde probably has a year left, but the secondary should remain quite talented and stable which is nice. Dane Jackson is fine as the 4th guy out there.

 

6. Von Miller has to be recovering still he just does not look right. I understand they are aiming for him to hit his stride around KC based off all comments, but it really does feel like he rushed back and isn't there. He has just two tackle since returning and while he is on a pitch count you would like to seem some production. Hopefully he makes me eat my words against PHI and finds his stride, but it really is frustratingly unfortunate as literally until injury he was great last year and now its like we have a lemon at DE were paying big money for.

 

7. This is the best the defensive line has been since 2014. It really is unfortunate Jones isn't hear to join the fun and Von is at 50%, but regardless they have been a lot of fun to watch over the season and helped to bail out the defense in some games where the rest of the team is hurt or just off. Leonard Floyd has been truly superb with 9.5 sacks already while Epenesa & Oliver both have 6. Groot started hot and again it looks like injury has slowed him, but as a unit they are at 39 sacks and pacing for 60 on the year which would be their highest in team history if they hit it. Granted extra game played now, but even with one less game they would tie the 2014 unit with 57 sacks which is the team record.

 

8. On a more serious note they got the W which had to happen to keep their playoffs hope going. The tough part is now full center though as 10 wins at this point probably gets you in given the attrition starting in the AFC and lack of playable QBs. But if they truly want to feel better the Bills have to find a way to beat PHI or KC in their house. Neither stadium is an easy place and both teams are superb. But this is the hole they dug for themselves with the bad losses to NYJ/NE that never should have happened. Regardless I feel OK that they can probably take DAL/at LAC/NE for a nice 3 pack of wins, the key to getting some spacing is the next two.

I see a different path for Tre White. I don't think they cut him flat out. I believe if they see he's healthy and ready to play, they offer him a chance to stay with a pay cut. Very much like they did with Mitch Morse. I believe it works well as a guy his age coming off 2 major lower leg injuries isn't likely to draw a big payday on the open market. 

 

If he can return to being productive and with that lower salary I'm more than comfortable with him being CB2 with Rasul taking over CB1. Gives flexibility to finally convert Benford to safety to replace one of Poyer or Hyde. Have Jackson back to compete for 3rd boundary corner with a FA or rookie or heck...maybe the light FINALLY goes on for Elam. 

[Big Turk]

7 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

I would have rather he just was kept on PUP until bye then. They could've used his spot for a player fully able to play that can do more. It legitimately impacted their games like CIN when he is not his full self and misses plays. I don't disagree on player recovery and they need live bullets, but I thought how Tre came back honestly was a better approach.

 

Tre looked really bad for quite a few games and it wasn't until really this year he started looking back to normal...not sure what you are talking about. He was not good last year at all.

[corta765]

Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

I see a different path for Tre White. I don't think they cut him flat out. I believe if they see he's healthy and ready to play, they offer him a chance to stay with a pay cut. Very much like they did with Mitch Morse. I believe it works well as a guy his age coming off 2 major lower leg injuries isn't likely to draw a big payday on the open market. 

 

If he can return to being productive and with that lower salary I'm more than comfortable with him being CB2 with Rasul taking over CB1. Gives flexibility to finally convert Benford to safety to replace one of Poyer or Hyde. Have Jackson back to compete for 3rd boundary corner with a FA or rookie or heck...maybe the light FINALLY goes on for Elam. 

 

I think it depends on if Tre will restructure his contract. Morse I def think is gone and a draft target, they can open something like 40-50 mil by a few restructures and cuts. I think they want to get younger across the board and it has to be encouraging that guys like Benford, Bernard, Torrence, Kincaid, & Cook have all stepped up this year. They are part of the next core that comes as twilight hits for guys like Poyer, Morse, and Tre. Milano as long as he heals ok should have a few more years, but I expect some favorite faces to be gone entering 24' which is sad but exciting in terms of new opportunity.

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Tre looked really bad for quite a few games and it wasn't until really this year he started looking back to normal...not sure what you are talking about. He was not good last year at all.

 

I thought from NE on he was fine. Knee injuries suck all around and the AP recovery is not normal nor should it be expected. Part of my point truthfully is this guy was paid to be an impact performer and crappy circumstances took a great player and we currently have basic. Not his fault and the recovery is what it is like you said. It laemens terms I am frustrated and life isn't fair haha.

[Chandler#81]

8 minutes ago, Success said:

Agree on that last part.  Need to win at least 1 of the next 2.  Lose to both Philly & KC, and they'll have to run the table after that to have a shot.

 

I'm not even positive 10-7 does it w/ our conference record, but it should given the strength of the WC competition.

 

Great write-up.

 

I don’t believe we’ll make the playoffs at 10-7. Too many Conference losses. I think our only ticket is getting equal with Miami by beating them agin  and winning by head to head. Broncos, Texans a couple other possibilities will mean only 1 AFCE team gets in and that will be the Division champ.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Von miller isn't playing well but he is still getting the attention of the offense

 

He was a key reason the bills got at least one of the sacks yesterday

 

The play I remember is they doubled and sent the rb towards von allowing others one on ones 

[corta765]

5 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

I don’t believe we’ll make the playoffs at 10-7. Too many Conference losses. I think our only ticket is getting equal with Miami by beating them agin  and winning by head to head. Broncos, Texans a couple other possibilities will mean only 1 AFCE team gets in and that will be the Division champ.

I have ran through NFL playoff simulator enough that Texans and Browns probably are 10-11 wins. WC7 though PIT probably only gets to 9 wins and LAC that is about their max. Unless you really believe that the Colts can get to 10, because of the Bengals losing Burrow the margin line I think is back to 10 wins. But yea the tiebreakers are no bueno for Buffalo if you are stuck at 9 or tied at 10.

[Big Turk]

11 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

I think it depends on if Tre will restructure his contract. Morse I def think is gone and a draft target, they can open something like 40-50 mil by a few restructures and cuts. I think they want to get younger across the board and it has to be encouraging that guys like Benford, Bernard, Torrence, Kincaid, & Cook have all stepped up this year. They are part of the next core that comes as twilight hits for guys like Poyer, Morse, and Tre. Milano as long as he heals ok should have a few more years, but I expect some favorite faces to be gone entering 24' which is sad but exciting in terms of new opportunity.

 

I thought from NE on he was fine. Knee injuries suck all around and the AP recovery is not normal nor should it be expected. Part of my point truthfully is this guy was paid to be an impact performer and crappy circumstances took a great player and we currently have basic. Not his fault and the recovery is what it is like you said. It laemens terms I am frustrated and life isn't fair haha.

 

I think we all are but we should start to see his best football soon once the brace comes off...perhaps after the Bye.

[corta765]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I think we all are but we should start to see his best football soon once the brace comes off...perhaps after the Bye.

 

There is this fun scenario I stopped giving thought too when the offense fell into straits that basically Von post bye is Von, we get Jones back for the last 2-3 weeks, and basically the team is clicking minus Tre/Milano heading to Miami for the division crown. I still haven't looked at it mentally, but the tab is at least back around haha.

[North Buffalo]

The situational play calling was so much better... Jets took away Diggs and 50% drop man... but Shakir and Kincaid plus running game exposed Jests... what I was expecting... hopefully it can continue til teams have to adjust... hopefully new coordinator is able to recognize quickly adjustments and call plays accordingly.

[RobbRiddick]

In terms of the designed runs, I still hate them and wince every time I see Josh take heavy contact. I agree with what Romo said, less designed runs but a hell of a lot more scrambling. If I'm Brady I tell Josh to scramble the ***** out of them. Be sensible and slide or go out of bounds but drive them crazy with it. I like the way Mahomes runs. He doesn't invite contact and is almost cocky about the way he'll pick up a first down and scamper out of bounds. that has to be so demoralizing for a defense.

[corta765]

19 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

In terms of the designed runs, I still hate them and wince every time I see Josh take heavy contact. I agree with what Romo said, less designed runs but a hell of a lot more scrambling. If I'm Brady I tell Josh to scramble the ***** out of them. Be sensible and slide or go out of bounds but drive them crazy with it. I like the way Mahomes runs. He doesn't invite contact and is almost cocky about the way he'll pick up a first down and scamper out of bounds. that has to be so demoralizing for a defense.

At this point Josh is what he is and likes the contact. His only injuries though have been from the pocket so idk I don’t worry anymore

[Dukestreetking]

1 hour ago, corta765 said:

Someday a book will explained why Josh in a year and half of Dorsey as coordinator went from a happy golden retriever to a low positive guy looking for his volleyball at sea.

 

Great line corta! I just did a spit take.

[jletha]

1 hour ago, corta765 said:

I have ran through NFL playoff simulator enough that Texans and Browns probably are 10-11 wins. WC7 though PIT probably only gets to 9 wins and LAC that is about their max. Unless you really believe that the Colts can get to 10, because of the Bengals losing Burrow the margin line I think is back to 10 wins. But yea the tiebreakers are no bueno for Buffalo if you are stuck at 9 or tied at 10.

Denver will be a factor too, and they have a H2H against us now. I believe the Bengals, Pitt will fall out. So itll be down to the Texans, Denver, Browns and us for the 3 spots. Jax plays Houston/Cincy/cleveland over their next three. So we are all Jags fans now.

[Nuncha]

The only thing that bugged me about this game was the end of the first half.  34 seconds or so left when we got the ball and we try to get in position to score?  The wind was bad at the end of the stadium we were moving toward, and the Jets aren't going to give up a big play.  Take a knee, go into halftime knowing we get the ball the start of the second half.  No idea why they felt the need to get points there.

Edited November 21, 2023 by Nuncha

[Shaw66]

5 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

3rd...I am going to guess Robert Foster against the Jags?  I think that was 75 yards if I remember correctly...the Jalen Ramsey "Trash" game.

 

Shakir's TD reminded me of Foster's, for some reason.  Foster's run after catch wasn't nearly as good, but he came to mind as soon as Shakir went up the right sideline. 

[MJS]

5 hours ago, Big Turk said:

The first longest is obviously Gabe Davis 98 yarder against the Steelers last year on their 1st series after the returner fumbled the opening kickoff.

 

3rd...I am going to guess Robert Foster against the Jags?  I think that was 75 yards if I remember correctly...the Jalen Ramsey "Trash" game.

 

People who say Von is being "rushed" back don't seem to get that it's a normal part of progression from the injury.  That's just how it works and why it takes around a year or so from the time they start playing again to get back to their old self.  That isn't rushing anyone back and it's not something wrong.  That's literally how it works for every player not named Adrian Peterson.  

 

If they would have let him play to start the season or to play after they activated him immediately from PUP, then maybe you had a case.  IF anything, they have done the opposite of rushing them back.  I suggest you understand how the process of a player returning from these type of injuries actually works.  They have to play thru it...there is no other way...you cannot simulate game reps in another manner.

 

He is also still wearing a brace that restricts movement and eliminates some of the more freakish things he can usually do.

Yeah, I had the same guesses, but was Foster's really that long? I can't remember. But I still don't know how Josh Allen got that pass off...

[BearNorth]

Did anyone notice that the top graded linebacker in the league in PFF is none other than Tyrel Dodson.....

Edited November 21, 2023 by BearNorth

[Big Turk]

16 hours ago, corta765 said:

I have ran through NFL playoff simulator enough that Texans and Browns probably are 10-11 wins. WC7 though PIT probably only gets to 9 wins and LAC that is about their max. Unless you really believe that the Colts can get to 10, because of the Bengals losing Burrow the margin line I think is back to 10 wins. But yea the tiebreakers are no bueno for Buffalo if you are stuck at 9 or tied at 10.

 

In a situation where they are tied, it might be to their advantage to be tied with more than 1 team so Conference Record comes into play 3rd instead of 2nd in the tiebreaking procedures.

[corta765]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

In a situation where they are tied, it might be to their advantage to be tied with more than 1 team so Conference Record comes into play 3rd instead of 2nd in the tiebreaking procedures.

I believe that is actually what got them in the playoff in 2017 was the three way tiebreaker

11 hours ago, BearNorth said:

Did anyone notice that the top graded linebacker in the league in PFF is none other than Tyrel Dodson.....

I saw that and did a double take lol

11 hours ago, MJS said:

Yeah, I had the same guesses, but was Foster's really that long? I can't remember. But I still don't know how Josh Allen got that pass off...

Yep he torched it for 75 yards and I jumped through a ceiling. Most intense non playoff game which mattered zilch in the standings.