ngbills Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Since 2020 Season Bills score 25 or less: 2020 - 4 of 16 games 2021 - 4 of 17 games 2022 - 6 of 16 games 2023 - 6 of 9 games (on pace to be worst in 4 years) Bills under 350 yards in O: 2020 - 5 of 16 games 2021 - 5 of 17 games 2022 - 4 of 16 games 2023 - 4 of 9 games (on pace to be worst in 4 years) Bills 20 or less 1st downs: 2020 - 1 of 16 games 2021 - 4 of 17 games 2022 - 5 of 16 games 2023 - 3 of 9 games (on pace to be worst in 4 years) Games outgained in yards by opponent: 2020 - 6 of 16 games 2021 - 3 of 17 games 2022 - 4 of 16 games 2023 - 4 of 9 games (on pace to be worst in 4 years) I can do this for almost every offensive category. This O clearly has issues. Dont be fooled by some of the overall stats as they are skewed by a couple games vs what the team has done in the majority of games this year. 4 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 No Cole Beasley 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, ngbills said: Since 2020 Season Bills score 25 or less: 2020 - 4 of 16 games 2021 - 4 of 17 games 2022 - 6 of 16 games 2023 - 6 of 9 games (on pace to be worst in 4 years) Bills under 350 yards in O: 2020 - 5 of 16 games 2021 - 5 of 17 games 2022 - 4 of 16 games 2023 - 4 of 9 games (on pace to be worst in 4 years) Bills 20 or less 1st downs: 2020 - 1 of 16 games 2021 - 4 of 17 games 2022 - 5 of 16 games 2023 - 3 of 9 games (on pace to be worst in 4 years) Games outgained in yards by opponent: 2020 - 6 of 16 games 2021 - 3 of 17 games 2022 - 4 of 16 games 2023 - 4 of 9 games (on pace to be worst in 4 years) I can do this for almost every offensive category. This O clearly has issues. Dont be fooled by some of the overall stats as they are skewed by a couple games vs what the team has done in the majority of games this year. I think offensive output is down throughout the nfl. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted November 6, 2023 Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I think offensive output is down throughout the nfl. That is true 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Yeah this offense is strait up bad now. I have zero faith in them scoring when needed. They're BORING. Im not sure I ever remember a Bills team as heavily hyped as this one, with such middling results. Maybe Rex Ryan's 'building a bully' team? They look slow and disinterested. The Jets are going eat them alive again. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said: No Cole Beasley Prime Beasley. 1 minute ago, dorquemada said: Yeah this offense is strait up bad now. I have zero faith in them scoring when needed. They're BORING. Im not sure I ever remember a Bills team as heavily hyped as this one, with such middling results. Maybe Rex Ryan's 'building a bully' team? They look slow and disinterested. The Jets are going eat them alive again. There’s probably 25 offenses worse in the league without even looking at stats. But they should give Harty a chance with his speed. I’m not sure why they signed him. I would have him and Davis split reps. Edited November 6, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Prime Beasley. There’s probably 25 offenses worse in the league without even looking at stats. But they should give Harty a chance with his speed. I’m not sure why they signed him. There are not 25 offenses worse in the league right now. Like last year, we peaked a few games in and have been on a downward slope since. Today, we are no better than the middle of the league, and it would appear that the league has figured out Dorkey's capgun O 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Several times today I've forgotten about football, thought of other things and generally enjoyed my life. Then I check in here and it's like this happens all over again: 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, dorquemada said: There are not 25 offenses worse in the league right now. Like last year, we peaked a few games in and have been on a downward slope since. Today, we are no better than the middle of the league, and it would appear that the league has figured out Dorkey's capgun O Maybe not 25, but easily 20. Dolphins, Ravens, Jags, Chiefs, Eagles, Cowboys, Lions, 49ers. Who from the list below do you want over the current bills offense? Jets Patriots Steelers Browns Texans Colts Titans Raiders Chargers Broncos Commanders Giants Vikings Packers Bears Saints Falcons Bucs Panthers Rams Cardinals Seahawks Edited November 6, 2023 by Bleeding Bills Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: Maybe not 25, but easily 20. Dolphins, Ravens, Jags, Chiefs, Eagles, Cowboys, Lions, 49ers. Jets Patriots Steelers Browns Texans Colts Titans Raiders Chargers Broncos Commanders Giants Vikings Packers Bears Saints Falcons Bucs Panthers Rams Cardinals Seahawks we'll see over the next 2 weeks who has the worse O. Buffalo is back to being the get well game for other teams. BTW we've already scored fewer points head to head against 2 of the teams you listed. I'm sure there's advanced statistics to suggest that ACKSHUALLY the Bills have a better O but the proof is in the pudding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Josh used to be exciting to watch every week. Must see TV. Now I have no idea what will happen on any drive or play and I’m mostly holding my breath he doesn’t throw an ugly INT or get sacked by someone who blew by one of our OL. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, Rubes said: Josh used to be exciting to watch every week. Must see TV. Now I have no idea what will happen on any drive or play and I’m mostly holding my breath he doesn’t throw an ugly INT or get sacked by someone who blew by one of our OL. He was infuriating to watch his first year or two. He is again. Everything comes around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Just now, SoCal Deek said: He was infuriating to watch his first year or two. He is again. Everything comes around. He was infuriating but also exciting, and you could see the potential just bursting at the seams. Now he just seems on edge, ready to make a head scratching play at any moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Bring back John Brown and Sammy Watkins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) When the team has 1 or fewer turnovers - they are 4-1. When they have 2 or more, 1-3. There were some end game theatric fumbles by diggs and allen in these games, but the 5 straight weeks with an INT have been back breakers. When they win the turnover battle, 3-0. When they lose 2-4. Step 1 - Stop turning the ball over so damn much. 4-0 at home, 1-4 on the road (i counted the london game as a road game cuz... it is). There's still a real HF advantage in buffalo and all 4 of those should be considered very winnable. If i had to guess why we were having more success in no-huddle against cincinnati, a big piece of it is the complications we make for our offense. Away game, personnel changes and playcalls take longer, you line up later, you need to set line protections, you need to motion people, and you have to use a silent snap count which is a big tilt to the defense. Step 2 - Figure out how to speed up the pace on the road. Even if just for some stretches - if you get to 2nd and 1 just rush to the line and force them to react to it. If we spend 30 seconds changing in for some jumbo package we basically tilted our hand. Offense has looked bad on the road all year long. What in the world is going on with our running game. The last couple of weeks we have been getting killed with negative runs. When the team including allen rushes for 100 total yards - not even a really big amount - 5-0. When they are under 100 yards rushing as a team. 0-4. Step 3 - Create a run game that has an actual identity. Edited November 6, 2023 by Bleeding Bills Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Rubes said: He was infuriating but also exciting, and you could see the potential just bursting at the seams. Now he just seems on edge, ready to make a head scratching play at any moment. It’s just your/our perspective with the advantage of time. He’s right back where he started only now minus the green light to run the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: It’s just your/our perspective with the advantage of time. He’s right back where he started only now minus the green light to run the ball. I agree in terms of performance...but there is a difference to me. It's not quantifiable so it's just an opinion...but he seems much more afraid to make a mistake now and he's lost his bravado and it doesn't feel like he's the same fun guy anymore on the field. There is something really wrong happening here and McD and Dorsey are completely clueless as to how to help fix it. And they've definitely hand in creating it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 It's egregious to not have a running game that you can bust out during tough road games. At least to grind out some 1st downs and allow the Oline to be aggressive. It's crazy actually. I'm not sure what McDermott, Dorsey and Beane have been doing these past few years but they never fixed it. There is zero identity on offense. They should be the Eagles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 hour ago, dorquemada said: Yeah this offense is strait up bad now. I have zero faith in them scoring when needed. They're BORING. Im not sure I ever remember a Bills team as heavily hyped as this one, with such middling results. Maybe Rex Ryan's 'building a bully' team? They look slow and disinterested. The Jets are going eat them alive again. Jets D will probably have a pretty good game against Allen and the boys, but we are gonna beat the 15-year-old-looking-MILF-lover in the rematch, and that’s all there is to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 45 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: When the team has 1 or fewer turnovers - they are 4-1. When they have 2 or more, 1-3. There were some end game theatric fumbles by diggs and allen in these games, but the 5 straight weeks with an INT have been back breakers. When they win the turnover battle, 3-0. When they lose 2-4. Step 1 - Stop turning the ball over so damn much. 4-0 at home, 1-4 on the road (i counted the london game as a road game cuz... it is). There's still a real HF advantage in buffalo and all 4 of those should be considered very winnable. If i had to guess why we were having more success in no-huddle against cincinnati, a big piece of it is the complications we make for our offense. Away game, personnel changes and playcalls take longer, you line up later, you need to set line protections, you need to motion people, and you have to use a silent snap count which is a big tilt to the defense. Step 2 - Figure out how to speed up the pace on the road. Even if just for some stretches - if you get to 2nd and 1 just rush to the line and force them to react to it. If we spend 30 seconds changing in for some jumbo package we basically tilted our hand. Offense has looked bad on the road all year long. What in the world is going on with our running game. The last couple of weeks we have been getting killed with negative runs. When the team including allen rushes for 100 total yards - not even a really big amount - 5-0. When they are under 100 yards rushing as a team. 0-4. Step 3 - Create a run game that has an actual identity. How about force a turnover once in awhile. 1 in last 5 games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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