The Bills are done, stick a fork in them

[BillsVet]

Buffalo's mid-season funks typically start around week 5-7 and last for about 6-8 weeks.  Happened in 2020, 2021, 2022, and in the middle of it this year.  

 

Issue that needs discussion is why a playoff-level team, especially one with so many veterans, can't prevent that sort of slump.  We're getting closer to figuring it out, and it's a combination of Josh, McD, personnel decisions (GM/HC), and the OC.  They have to look in the mirror and be honest that some elements of this team are not right and haven't been for a few seasons. 

[Ramza86]

9 hours ago, HopefulFuture said:

I've watched these past 4 years, the window isn't closing, it's closed.

 

Allen isn't the answer. Good QB, but he can't win the clutch games. Oh I know fans will throw a multitude of excuses....coaching, personnel, and each have merit on their own right.

 

Beans and McD need to go, so does Allen. Let Diggs go to. Get what you can in trade value. That should be solid building blocks if the right management team and coaching staff are assembled.

 

Many will hate this opinion, but if your not accepting the reality of the current situation, then your living your Bills Fandom in la la land.

The current organizational make up, from management and coaching to roster personnel is not taking this team anywhere.

 

I know, hate it, hate me and a growing number that share this opinion, but it won't change the reality on the ground. This team is going nowhere, and the past 4+ years outcomes project this.

 

The time for denial is over. It's time to move on to acceptance.

Before will move an elite talent like Josh Allen....why dont we actually do what we should have done after 13 seconds and clear out the entire staff and start with a strong offensive mind running the helm? What do you think?

[HopefulFuture]

1 minute ago, Ramza86 said:

Before will move an elite talent like Josh Allen....why dont we actually do what we should have done after 13 seconds and clear out the entire staff and start with a strong offensive mind running the helm? What do you think?

I'm never opposed to trying different approaches. The one we are on now is a failure.

[mrags]

8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

they don’t have the positive energy and passion.  I think it’s lack of belief in the staff. 

I was thinking this. I was actually going to start a new thread about it. And about why we picked up and traded for the 3 players we did last week. They’ve all been winners. All been to the Super Bowl. It makes me wonder if McD senses this team has lost faith in him and he needs to inject it with new guys that will help him stabilize the locker room. I fully expect all 3 of them to start next week. 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

9 hours ago, HopefulFuture said:

I've watched these past 4 years, the window isn't closing, it's closed.

 

Allen isn't the answer. Good QB, but he can't win the clutch games. Oh I know fans will throw a multitude of excuses....coaching, personnel, and each have merit on their own right.

 

Beans and McD need to go, so does Allen. Let Diggs go to. Get what you can in trade value. That should be solid building blocks if the right management team and coaching staff are assembled.

 

Many will hate this opinion, but if your not accepting the reality of the current situation, then your living your Bills Fandom in la la land.

The current organizational make up, from management and coaching to roster personnel is not taking this team anywhere.

 

I know, hate it, hate me and a growing number that share this opinion, but it won't change the reality on the ground. This team is going nowhere, and the past 4+ years outcomes project this.

 

The time for denial is over. It's time to move on to acceptance.

 

 

[corta765]

10 hours ago, Simon said:

I bet you're awesome in a foxhole.

 

"Stand up so they can end it faster" 

[Matt_In_NH]

Can we put all these Nancy's in one forum somewhere....to fight about how bad the Bills are and are always going to be?   They can panic, call everyone names and talk about who should be fired immediatly.

[HopefulFuture]

29 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Can we put all these Nancy's in one forum somewhere....to fight about how bad the Bills are and are always going to be?   They can panic, call everyone names and talk about who should be fired immediatly.

Care to elaborate where name calling was done?

 

You entered a pretty straight forward titled thread. You knew it wasn't going to be a positive read, yet, like a good little hypocrite, you entered the thread to attempt to thump on someone's opinion by what......that's right, being a Nancy.

 

Nice meeting you.

[Eastport bills]

10 hours ago, HopefulFuture said:

I've watched these past 4 years, the window isn't closing, it's closed.

 

Allen isn't the answer. Good QB, but he can't win the clutch games. Oh I know fans will throw a multitude of excuses....coaching, personnel, and each have merit on their own right.

 

Beans and McD need to go, so does Allen. Let Diggs go to. Get what you can in trade value. That should be solid building blocks if the right management team and coaching staff are assembled.

 

Many will hate this opinion, but if your not accepting the reality of the current situation, then your living your Bills Fandom in la la land.

The current organizational make up, from management and coaching to roster personnel is not taking this team anywhere.

 

I know, hate it, hate me and a growing number that share this opinion, but it won't change the reality on the ground. This team is going nowhere, and the past 4+ years outcomes project this.

 

The time for denial is over. It's time to move on to acceptance.

With fans like you, who needs enemies. What a fair weathered snowflake. Just jump ship at the first sign of turbulence. Fire everyone, trade JA17 , give up on the season, burn whatever Bills gear you have. You need to bleed internally like Jet and Giant fans and fans of most NFL teams,that would give their house to have a team like the Bills. What denial, their defense is without their core players( Tre, Milano, Jones and Miller is a shell of himself still. They’ll still win 10 games and be a tough out in the playoffs. I guess 4 division titles and 4 playoff wins don’t get you much cred when you’re behind in the division, mid season, by a game. Save your whining for the guys in the bar ingrate.

[Jauronimo]

I wonder if the people who espouse this type of ***** actually live by this code in their real lives?

 

Didn't get the promotion at work:  resign, punch my boss, last ditch effort to bang hot secretary.  

 

Dishwasher broke: burn the house down, fake my death, start a new life in Mexico.  

 

Wife burned my toast: divorce, put the kids up for adoption, and have the dog put down. 

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

It's almost time to blow it all up.  You can't get rid of Allen because that's your centerpiece, but you can reshape the roster around him. 

 

It's a shame that we can't trade Diggs (dead cap) because he'd fetch a nice return.  

[HopefulFuture]

21 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

With fans like you, who needs enemies. What a fair weathered snowflake. Just jump ship at the first sign of turbulence. Fire everyone, trade JA17 , give up on the season, burn whatever Bills gear you have. You need to bleed internally like Jet and Giant fans and fans of most NFL teams,that would give their house to have a team like the Bills. What denial, their defense is without their core players( Tre, Milano, Jones and Miller is a shell of himself still. They’ll still win 10 games and be a tough out in the playoffs. I guess 4 division titles and 4 playoff wins don’t get you much cred when you’re behind in the division, mid season, by a game. Save your whining for the guys in the bar ingrate.

Heard this before, post 94 season. 

These current Bills, a rough out in the playoffs? They aren't making the playoffs, they'll need a couple seasons to figure out the problem.

4+ seasons, same results, no championship, not even a championship game, moving backwards in the standings, actually becoming mediocre and eventually, back to irrelevant. 

Division titles, that's the Bills Super Bowl victories if your logic holds. Well good for you, you 4 AFC East Division Super Bowl wins in a row. The rest of the league in the meantime are making moves to improve their real Super Bowl chances.

 

But hey, we'll always have those Division Titles to cuddle up with on those cold, dark seasons done nights.

Edited November 6, 2023 by HopefulFuture

[chongli]

 

[JerseyBills]

RELAX

[Paup 1995MVP]

8 hours ago, Nelius said:

I don't think running the math at 5-3 makes me "most optimistic". Now it's 5-4 and I'm not. That's realistic, which is not to be confused with the stuff that guys like you and Airseven do before the season even starts.

We are going to need at least 10 wins to have a shot at the playoffs.  Have to beat the Broncos and Jets to get things turned around.  Then the gauntlet starts.  KC Philly Dallas Chargers.  And finish with NE and Miami.  No gimmes.  If the team was playing well I could see a 6-2 finish.  But we are not.  Offense gets nothing out of Harty Sherfield Murray Knox and Davis.  It’s Cook Diggs and Kincaid.  And now some Shakir which should have happened from the start of the year.  (That’s on the offensive coaches for not making the kid a big part of the offense from Day 1 of camp.  Same w Kincaid)  And some Josh Allen runs which never happen in the 1st half.  But start when we are desperate later in the game. 
 

Josh is still a baller.  Love watching him play.   But the offense is not a well oiled machine.  And the passion is lacking.  We barely get plays off before the 40 second clock expires.  The O line is average at best.  And Spencer Brown should not be on the field.  He is a huge liability.  Defense has a lot of injuries.  And the D line has no game changers.  Taron Johnson is a liability in coverage even though he is a great tackler.   Just too small to cover most WR’s.  Safety’s are old and slow if not tough as nails.  Roster is mediocre at best.  And losing Milano Jones and White was brutal.  Because the rest of defense is at best average as a whole.  
 

McDermott is not going to lead this team anywhere close to a championship.  His Mojo ended at 13 seconds.  If we can’t turn it around and at least be competitive and a tough out every week, the whole coaching staff needs to go after this season. 

[Ghost_002!]

43 minutes ago, HopefulFuture said:

 

 

From a fan of your rivals. The Patriots. I give you all the credit in the world for willing to come with this opinion against your fellow mafia brethren.

 

But I can say, Josh Allen is a generational talent. A once in a life time thing...you don't just get rid of that in such a short time, championship or not. You tweak everything around him, but you do not give up on that type of talent too soon.

 

That's just crazy, something that would get you fired in a heart beat if you were a GM.

[C.Biscuit97]

9 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

Eh, they have a million other injuries as well. And maybe Frazier wasn’t as bad as he was made out to be either.

[HopefulFuture]

4 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

From a fan of your rivals. The Patriots. I give you all the credit in the world for willing to come with this opinion against your fellow mafia brethren.

 

But I can say, Josh Allen is a generational talent. A once in a life time thing...you don't just get rid of that in such a short time, championship or not. You tweak everything around him, but you do not give up on that type of talent too soon.

 

That's just crazy, something that would get you fired in a heart beat if you were a GM.

I don't have an unreasonable opinion of the state of affairs when it comes to Buffalo sports to be honest. As a New England fan, be it football, baseball, basketball or hockey, the Boston area has experienced the joy of championships. In my lifetime, I've watched Buffalo's pro basketball team leave, and the hockey and football teams fail, in some cases in spectacular fashion, while not ever winning a championship.

I gave up having starry eyes for a  player long ago. It's all about a championship before I die for me. 53 years, nothing, I could care less if my fellow WNY'ers don't approve, I'm not interested in player Fandom, I'm interested in actual results.

 

"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and ***** the prom queen."

[Ghost_002!]

23 minutes ago, HopefulFuture said:

I don't have an unreasonable opinion of the state of affairs when it comes to Buffalo sports to be honest. As a New England fan, be it football, baseball, basketball or hockey, the Boston area has experienced the joy of championships. In my lifetime, I've watched Buffalo's pro basketball team leave, and the hockey and football teams fail, in some cases in spectacular fashion, while not ever winning a championship.

I gave up having starry eyes for a  player long ago. It's all about a championship before I die for me. 53 years, nothing, I could care less if my fellow WNY'ers don't approve, I'm not interested in player Fandom, I'm interested in actual results.

 

"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and ***** the prom queen."

 

 

I get where you are coming from...but you move on from Allen and it would be another 50 years hoping for a championship..

 

I think people need to chill from jumping off that ledge bit...

 

Still got like 8 games left despite what you are seeing...the Bills are still very dangerous...

[Tommy Callahan]

The worst thing about being a contender is the bandwagon jumpers. they want perfection. anything else becomes reasoning to jump on the next bandwagon.