Dr.Sack Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) Apparently the OL can be up to 1 yard past the LOS at the time of the pass leaves the QB's hand. It looks like the Pats Center was at the 27 yard line. This should be a challengeable play if anything. Being that it occurred under 2 minutes in the half it should be an automatic review. Edited October 25, 2023 by Dr.Sack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 8 hours ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said: Just give it to 'em ring any bells? Honestly that was the first thing I thought of! One of those complete BS NFL moments that is simultaneously offensively dumb and egregiously unfair! The entire group of amateurs that officiated that game should have been fired after that game which cost the Bills a homefield game in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, TC in St. Louis said: The center started running downfield as soon as he snapped the ball. He was nearly 2 yards past the line of scrimmage when the ball left the quarterback's hand. I have it on tape and have watched it several times. Is that why we lost? Because they picked up the flag? Why did they pick up the flag? That's the question. I read somewhere that they thought it was not a forward pass. Does anybody think they would risk throwing a backward pass at that point in the game? No. It was a forward pass. It was a penalty, and they should have called the play back. 1st and 15. Any comments on the poor calls and non-calls that went against NE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Aurelius Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 54 minutes ago, BearNorth said: You are correct. I was in HS, and remember the big buzz about this amazing kicker from Cornell who was a soccer player. I live in the North Country and apparently he and his family were refugees from Hungary and his father was a medical doctor at the state hospital in Ogdensburg. Since he kicked at Cornell, he might be the first in D-I as well. I did find this tho - https://ampoleagle.com/bednarski-preceded-gogolak-in-soccerstyle-kicking-p8059-208.htm. Apparently Texas had a soccer style kicker in 1957. Cool article. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 9 hours ago, Big Turk said: Reminds me of the "Just give it to them" call against the Pats. That has NO relevancy to the play. Whether he is blocking anyone or not, doesn't make it OK for him to be more than 1 yard downfield. It's still a penalty even if he is dancing by himself downfield. Actually it does. According to what I read if he is blocking someone at the LOS and the act of blocking takes him downfield it is not a penalty. Regardless he wasn't blocking anyone and it was and should have been a penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 9 hours ago, Jerome007 said: THIS!!! I don't get it. There needs to be a league explanation here. If the flag was never thrown, maybe we would not have noticed. But it was thrown, and the replay so clear! The center was at least 5 yards downfield. He wasn't blocking anyone or near anyone tough, so is that the reason? I don't think so... but we need to know! What is this "Bills didn't deserve to win crap"? Both teams played the game, and there are rules in this game. The center didn't impact the play, but rules are rules. If the Cheats go back 5 yards instead of going forward 30 yards, that's a HUGE difference. Bills likely win. It reminds me of "just give it to them" game. Someone in press should ask Goodell if this is one of his experiments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 One thing that drives me crazy is that in the playoffs the refs have the booth to assist in all calls. It essentially removed the need for challenges because the refs used quick replays to fix an errant call/ no-call. It actually worked pretty well. On top of all that, it was efficient and didn’t even slow the game down. I have no idea why they don’t do that in the regular season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag20 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 56 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: One thing that drives me crazy is that in the playoffs the refs have the booth to assist in all calls. It essentially removed the need for challenges because the refs used quick replays to fix an errant call/ no-call. It actually worked pretty well. On top of all that, it was efficient and didn’t even slow the game down. I have no idea why they don’t do that in the regular season. Well that would cost them a few thousand dollars per game and they can’t get into their tight revenue margin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 6 hours ago, TC in St. Louis said: That's not correct. I have photo screenshot of the play, and he's a between 1 and 2 yards (while running) and the ball is still in Jones' hand. Why would you NOT share that with an interested crowd of fellow fans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) Hunter Henry also bowled over our defenders in coverage down at the goal line freeing up their receiver for a TD with no OPI called on their very obvious pick play. Murray picks a guy to free Knox and the offensive PI flag was thrown. Neutral zone infraction on Torrence a guard. Diggs getting obviously mugged on his routes. A phantom DPI call on 3rd and long to extend a NE scoring drive... We played bad, but the officiating was horrible all game long. They are not mutually exclusive things, both can be true. In that game, I left feeling we got the short end of the officiating stick. All I ask is that if they are going to call ticky-tacky or phantom penalties on one team they need to call them on the other too. I hate a flag fest, but if the laundry is going to fly call it the same for both sides. Edited October 25, 2023 by WideNine 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakout Squad Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: No and they need not. If you play poorly for 58 minutes and find yourself in a tight game at the end because of it you have earned the right to have the random officials calls help decide the outcome. And the more angry fans get about it the more bonded to their teams they become. How philosophical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 12 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Actually it does. According to what I read if he is blocking someone at the LOS and the act of blocking takes him downfield it is not a penalty. Regardless he wasn't blocking anyone and it was and should have been a penalty. Yes, if he is blocking someone legally prior to being downfield. That was not the case...there was nobody for him to block until he got 5 yards downfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 We lose to Giants without the refs bailing us out. This team needs to play better, Mac Jones tore us apart all game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 13 hours ago, BarleyNY said: Any comments on the poor calls and non-calls that went against NE? Yeah. Refs suck. I'm still wondering why they picked up the flag. 11 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: Why would you NOT share that with an interested crowd of fellow fans? I don't know how to do that. It's on my phone. Tell me how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, uticaclub said: We lose to Giants without the refs bailing us out. This team needs to play better, Mac Jones tore us apart all game. Yes. So the Bills would still be 4-3. But with one more division win and one more NFC loss. Anyway, both teams (Giants and Bills) got screwed. My point remains though: a non-call happens. A call made and then reversed without any explanation? More problematic IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, TC in St. Louis said: Yeah. Refs suck. I'm still wondering why they picked up the flag. According to the article I posted that wasn’t the only flag that got picked up. Also there were a multitude of issues with the refs. Just curious why you are harping ad nauseam on just that specific situation. If one was to objectively wonder about the refereeing in the game there’s plenty to discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Yes, if he is blocking someone legally prior to being downfield. That was not the case...there was nobody for him to block until he got 5 yards downfield. That's what i said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Suffering Fan Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 58 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: According to the article I posted that wasn’t the only flag that got picked up. Also there were a multitude of issues with the refs. Just curious why you are harping ad nauseam on just that specific situation. If one was to objectively wonder about the refereeing in the game there’s plenty to discuss. I would guess that he his harping on this because it was so egregious and it happened on the game winning drive? There was all sorts of bad referring in a certain game 6 Stanley Cup OT game against the Dallas Stars. However, I tend to focus on just one thing more than others. In both cases we still could have lost even if the right call was made, but they just were so blatant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Per Jim Kubiak Buffalo News article "Jim Kubiak: How Patriots' defense duped, disguised and beat Josh Allen and Bills": Quote From an analysis standpoint, I felt that it was important to look at this play that was the catalyst on the Patriots game-winning drive. The Patriots used motion to the right side of the field and threw a swing route out to Rhamondre Stevenson. Center David Andrews was initially flagged for being illegally downfield. By rule, he is allowed to be downfield no more than 1 yard upon release of the football from the quarterback's hand. The officialspicked up the flag after discussing. Upon review, Andrews was approximately 1-yard down field although Buffalo fans and Patriots fans would surely disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 On 10/24/2023 at 8:29 AM, JÂy RÛßeÒ said: Just give it to 'em ring any bells? Exactly...the refs knew this was a chance at Beli's 300th..."let's pick this sh it up and see what happens"..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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