PBF81 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: Any defense that lost the quality of players this defend has would be suffering the same fate. The anchor of Von Miller is unrecoverable with the current injury status. The only things these teams exposed is how average the remaining players are. Before losing these players this was the top performing defense in this league. We're hardly the only team with significant injuries. People talk about Jones like he was a perennial pro-bowler, which is far from the case. He's never distiniguished himself apart from the first few games of this season, whereupon some Bills fans have prematurely turned him into some kind of a legend. It's remarkable. Milano was an enormous loss, but any monkey should have been able to see that if he went down that the LB unit would be in a world of hurt, which it is. That's on Beane whether people want to accept that or not. White was gone most of last season and when he was on the field he wasn't good. So let's not extrapolate that there's a big difference between last season and this one in that regard. Otherwise, all teams have injuries, the fact that we don't have adequate depth to overcome them is a Beane problem. We're hardly the first team to have to play effectively through those. It would help if the offense played up to its capabilities however. Playing "not as well as you did" is one thing. Playing like we have today and last week, against garbage QBs with few weapons, and on the most futile offensive teams in the league is altogether another. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: We were starting Rod Streater at WR dude Tell him to explain 13 secs, one of the worse displays of late game coaching in playoff history 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 minute ago, LarryMadman said: No, they weren't, you're wrong there. Sorry, Deonte Thompson then. The crappy wide receivers blend together. 1 minute ago, Niagara Dude said: Tell him to explain 13 secs, one of the worse displays of late game coaching in playoff history He turned this franchise around. Period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said: Why not? If this were a business and a manager’s team was constantly not executing their jobs, the manager would be responsible at least partially. He’s not putting his team in a position to win. A couple better executions we win this game, sure. But the problem is we should have blown the doors off this sorry team not squeaked by. He is responsible for that lack of preparation at all levels. I disagree. He can’t kick Bass FGs and catch the ball for Davis/Diggs/Knox. No more than he can make Allen take the obvious 1st pass checkdown. The defense is his, and unfortunately Dane, Benford and Taron all struggled today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Just now, Roundybout said: Don’t care. We aren’t in this position without McD and I am forever grateful to him for turning us around. Without Allen this team is no better then any of the drought teams. McDermott thinks caveman football wins and gave up Mahomes to draft a DB. He has done some good things but with a top 4 QB which drought teams never had 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Niagara Dude said: Without Allen this team is no better then any of the drought teams. McDermott thinks caveman football wins and gave up Mahomes to draft a DB. He has done some good things but with a top 4 QB which drought teams never had You think we get to the AFCCG with Doug Marrone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Sorry, Deonte Thompson then. The crappy wide receivers blend together. He turned this franchise around. Period. Having Allen is the turn around 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 ... and let's not ignore the fact that McD is simply being a Defensive Coordinator entirely consistent with his time at Carolina doing so. Why anyone is surprised at that makes no sense whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Einstein said: There are a lot of execution issues, which fall on the shoulders of the players, but there are also plenty of coaching issues as well. How does the announcer see the poor slant leverage by Taron Johnson the previous play, but our coaches don’t? Belichick and Co saw it, and immediately took advantage of it. I will always credit McDermott for turning this franchise around. But there are so many deficiencies that show up on coaching. Yeah, I’ve been behind McD because of the success of the winning seasons, but I’m finally leaning the other way. Josh has shown his loyalty to Dorsey by saying it comes down to execution and he has to be better but it’s not happening. With 2 straight poor games vs teams they should’ve dominated, something is very wrong. They got beat and the defense was picked apart by Mac Jones! Sure, they lost some very good players to injuries, but good coaches develop schemes and game plans to try and hide their weaknesses. The broadcaster mentioned it, so I’m curious why Von Miller wasn’t on the field for that last play. Is he still not 100%? They called a timeout before that last play and still gave up the TD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said: I give McDermott credit for turning the franchise around but I’m no longer sure if he’s capable of taking it to the next level. The rest of this season will be a major test if he can get the team and staff pointed in the right direction. Each year they find ways to lose games they have no business losing. Losing to the Jags under Urban Meyer, Zach Wilson and Mac Jones twice now. We all know they were dang lucky to beat the NYG last week with TT at the helm. They are extremely fortunate not to be 3-4 right now. One thing is consistent under McDermott and that is there reoccurring inconsistency. The Bills are fully healthy on O so there are zero excuses for their performance in 4 outta 7 games. The lack of creativity, leveraging Josh’s strengths, adjustments and somehow going with a slow methodical offense is unacceptable and not working. Dorsey’s had 25 games now to put his stamp on the offense and it seems to be misfiring on many levels. Defensively this is the so called strength of our head coach but time and time again he has no answers and the D gets exploited by lesser opponents. Giving up a 75 yard game winning TD drive in crunch time is atrocious. Even worse after one play they were already in position for a game tying FG. The reality of this game is the Bills lost big in the trenches and BB greatly outcoached McDermott. Just a horrible three games stretch by the Bills and in the end I have major doubts if this coach and his staff have any answers. But did he really turn the franchise around? Or did his timing coincide with the addition of a superstar roster? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Having Allen is the turn around Does Allen have the same success with Rex Ryan? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Does Allen have the same success with Rex Ryan? Does McDermott have the same success without Allen? Hell no. If we drafted Rosen all these guys would have been fired years ago. There is no "turnaround" without Josh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Einstein said: There are a lot of execution issues, which fall on the shoulders of the players, but there are also plenty of coaching issues as well. How does the announcer see the poor slant leverage by Taron Johnson the previous play, but our coaches don’t? Belichick and Co saw it, and immediately took advantage of it. I will always credit McDermott for turning this franchise around. But there are so many deficiencies that show up on coaching. McD is a turnaround artist, but he’s not a guy that can win big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, QCity said: Does McDermott have the same success without Allen? Hell no. If we drafted Rosen all these guys would have been fired years ago. There is no "turnaround" without Josh. He got us to 9-7 with Tyrod. Rex managed 8-8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: Nah man. It's the HC's job to know. McDermott is just the DC. and that right there is the reason he should go. he simply has no clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yea I understand that argument. Still not sure I totally buy it. That said, Brandon Beane deserves to face some tough questions because those three vet DTs that sucked so bad today - Phillips, Settle and Ford - are guys he has invested a reasonable amount in. In no other position do we have such highly paid depth. We were getting no inside pressure our ends were rushing a field and inside we had a comfortable pocket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Honestly, it's time to let the McDermott era go, get a offensively coach and try to win a SB while we have Josh Allen. This coaching staff couldn't underachive must more than any other staff with Josh Alien under QB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 27 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: I disagree. He can’t kick Bass FGs and catch the ball for Davis/Diggs/Knox. No more than he can make Allen take the obvious 1st pass checkdown. The defense is his, and unfortunately Dane, Benford and Taron all struggled today. That’s the problem….if all three phases are having issues then that falls on the head coach. This team has looked flat the past 3 games. I won’t hold London against him because that would be unfair to any team. Do I think McD is the coach to get the Bills to a championship? No Do I think McD should be fired mid season? No, because he has earned enough good will for that to happen. However, if things don’t change and this team doesn’t make the playoffs then McD has to go. Would I understand if Terry gives him another year? Yes. I wouldn’t like it but I would understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 30 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: I disagree. He can’t kick Bass FGs and catch the ball for Davis/Diggs/Knox. No more than he can make Allen take the obvious 1st pass checkdown. The defense is his, and unfortunately Dane, Benford and Taron all struggled today. Of course he can’t but he still has a (major share of) responsibility. The team is a reflection of their coach(es). I heard the Poyer/Hyde postgame and they both parroted McD talking points. To say he’s responsible for only the half of the team he knows best will always shield him from honest criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 44 minutes ago, LarryMadman said: And that Dalton to Boyd TD was 50 yarder with 40 seconds to go. McDumbf**k got lucky as anything to get the playoffs that year. Lol, that roster isnt as bad as you think. It is revisionist history that that McD and fans of "the Process" repeat over and over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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