GunnerBill Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: How about accepting that penalty near the goal line that would have given the Bill a first goal at the 2. Patriots would have been forced to use their timeouts, again bad coaching and not thinking ahead. Only if we had purposely not scored on 1st down or 2nd down and I think in that scenario you don't bank on scoring on 3rd or 4th down just to milk the clock. You score and trust your defense. Unfortunately the defense sucked. The back breaking play was letting a swing pass on New England's drive go for 30 yards. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: How about accepting that penalty near the goal line that would have given the Bill a first goal at the 2. Patriots would have been forced to use their timeouts, again bad coaching and not thinking ahead. I have no issue with him declining that penalty. In fact, I believe it was the right move. Just being honest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Beast said: I have no issue with him declining that penalty. In fact, I believe it was the right move. Just being honest. I disagree, you accept the call and get the extra down to burn clock and force Pats to use at least one more time out. That effects how they play out their final drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 I give McDermott credit for turning the franchise around but I’m no longer sure if he’s capable of taking it to the next level. The rest of this season will be a major test if he can get the team and staff pointed in the right direction. Each year they find ways to lose games they have no business losing. Losing to the Jags under Urban Meyer, Zach Wilson and Mac Jones twice now. We all know they were dang lucky to beat the NYG last week with TT at the helm. They are extremely fortunate not to be 3-4 right now. One thing is consistent under McDermott and that is there reoccurring inconsistency. The Bills are fully healthy on O so there are zero excuses for their performance in 4 outta 7 games. The lack of creativity, leveraging Josh’s strengths, adjustments and somehow going with a slow methodical offense is unacceptable and not working. Dorsey’s had 25 games now to put his stamp on the offense and it seems to be misfiring on many levels. Defensively this is the so called strength of our head coach but time and time again he has no answers and the D gets exploited by lesser opponents. Giving up a 75 yard game winning TD drive in crunch time is atrocious. Even worse after one play they were already in position for a game tying FG. The reality of this game is the Bills lost big in the trenches and BB greatly outcoached McDermott. Just a horrible three games stretch by the Bills and in the end I have major doubts if this coach and his staff have any answers. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Roundybout said: Allen was not here in 2017. You are completely, utterly wrong. Again he took a 7-9 teams eliminated in OT the second last week of the season in 2016 and basically a 1 game improvement. Hoop de doo..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Only if we had purposely not scored on 1st down or 2nd down and I think in that scenario you don't bank on scoring on 3rd or 4th down just to milk the clock. You score and trust your defense. Unfortunately the defense sucked. The back breaking play was letting a swing pass on New England's drive go for 30 yards. I agree about the swing pass for 30 yards cannot happen, just seem like the Bills db's were all playing too far off the line which allowed for quick passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Niagara Dude said: I disagree, you accept the call and get the extra down to burn clock and force Pats to use at least one more time out. That effects how they play out their final drive Nah. The plan is to score from the 2 just like it is to score from the 1 foot line. No team has a 1 yard play at the 2 yard line. When you are down in the game and need a TD, you don’t ***** around. Edited October 22, 2023 by Beast 3 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: How about accepting that penalty near the goal line that would have given the Bill a first goal at the 2. Patriots would have been forced to use their timeouts, again bad coaching and not thinking ahead. Yea. And even rookie Kincaid knew to sit on his catch and not go out of bounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 2 hours ago, PBF81 said: But that's McD's general philosophy, and that's why we have the players we have, it's all designed around rushing the passer and generating pressure in the passing game. Hence our pass-D oriented alignments, often featuring 2 LBs, and the seeming lack of interest in a bona fide MLB. Our defense is laden with players that excel in pass-D, to the extent that they excel in anything. Between Jax and now BB, this D has been exposed, and it's unwise to hold out hope that we have the talent to change it at this point. McBeane made their decisions, now it's time to prove that they're sound. So far it's not working out so well this season, unless we play sack-prone QBs and/or poor passers. Generally speaking that is. Any defense that lost the quality of players this defend has would be suffering the same fate. The anchor of Von Miller is unrecoverable with the current injury status. The only things these teams exposed is how average the remaining players are. Before losing these players this was the top performing defense in this league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Only if we had purposely not scored on 1st down or 2nd down and I think in that scenario you don't bank on scoring on 3rd or 4th down just to milk the clock. You score and trust your defense. Unfortunately the defense sucked. The back breaking play was letting a swing pass on New England's drive go for 30 yards. Agreed. I am one of the loudest McD critics but he made the right call there. It's much harder to score from 2 or 3 yards out than 6 inches. 2 or 3 yard line introduces all kinds of bad things that can happen. The defense has to hold that bum of a QB from scoring. Absolute joke. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Again he took a 7-9 teams eliminated in OT the second last week of the season in 2016 and basically a 1 game improvement. Hoop de doo..... He broke the drought and dragged Whaley’s POS roster to the playoffs. He instilled confidence in our team. He set up the turnaround. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Agreed. I am one of the loudest McD critics but he made the right call there. It's much harder to score from 2 or 3 yards out than 6 inches. 2 or 3 yard line introduces all kinds of bad things that can happen. The defense has to hold that bum of a QB from scoring. Absolute joke. Anyone saying they should have accepted the penalty is absolutely wrong. Allowing Mac Jones to own you the majority of the game and engineer an effortless game winning TD drive, when all they needed was a fg to get the game to OT is pathetic. 2 minutes ago, Roundybout said: He broke the drought and dragged Whaley’s POS roster to the playoffs. He instilled confidence in our team. He set up the turnaround. Yea, keep on repeating it enough times and we'll all believe it. Andy Dalton got them in the playoffs. Riddle me this. If Andy Dalton doesn't throw that TD pass, are you still saying the same about McD? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 44 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Yes. It means that all three units to execute at a high level, as the other team gets paid too. It’s hard to win the NFL. Ask Belichick who won his 300th game today. It’s only fitting his milestone win came against the Bills, the team he has the most wins against. As far as complementary football goes, the ST gave up a big return and Bass missed a FG. Do better on one of those and the throw to Diggs at the end means a FG wins the game. As far as the defense goes, we were a step too slow on some of those big plays, including the big screen pass that setup the game winning touchdown. Better execution and we stop them for a minimal gain. Point is complimentary football starts with the coaches dialing up the plays and the players executing. I don’t see how McDermott can be blamed for players inability to make plays. Why not? If this were a business and a manager’s team was constantly not executing their jobs, the manager would be responsible at least partially. He’s not putting his team in a position to win. A couple better executions we win this game, sure. But the problem is we should have blown the doors off this sorry team not squeaked by. He is responsible for that lack of preparation at all levels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Anyone saying they should have accepted the penalty is absolutely wrong. Allowing Mac Jones to own you the majority of the game and engineer an effortless game winning TD drive, when all they needed was a fg to get the game to OT is pathetic. Yea, keep on repeating it enough times and we'll all believe it. Andy Dalton got them in the playoffs. Riddle me this. If Andy Dalton doesn't throw that TD pass, are you still saying the same about McD? Yes because McD dragged that dog**** roster to 9-7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLieve85 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 He wants to win 20-17. In 2023. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Anyone saying they should have accepted the penalty is absolutely wrong. Allowing Mac Jones to own you the majority of the game and engineer an effortless game winning TD drive, when all they needed was a fg to get the game to OT is pathetic. Yea, keep on repeating it enough times and we'll all believe it. Andy Dalton got them in the playoffs. Riddle me this. If Andy Dalton doesn't throw that TD pass, are you still saying the same about McD? And that Dalton to Boyd TD was 50 yarder with 40 seconds to go. McDumbf**k got lucky as anything to get the playoffs that year. 7 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Yes because McD dragged that dog**** roster to 9-7 Lol, that roster isnt as bad as you think. Edited October 22, 2023 by LarryMadman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, LarryMadman said: And that Dalton to Boyd TD was 50 yarder with 40 seconds to go. McDumbf**I got lucky as anything to get the playoffs that year. Lol, that roster isnt as bad as you think. We were starting Rod Streater at WR dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, Roundybout said: He broke the drought and dragged Whaley’s POS roster to the playoffs. He instilled confidence in our team. He set up the turnaround. He did 13 secs, stop making excuses or talking about making the playoffs. The fact is they made the playoffs because Cincy made some crazy late touchdown play. He has screwed up in big moments and should have hired a defensive cordinator to focus on HC duties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Just now, Niagara Dude said: He did 13 secs, stop making excuses or talking about making the playoffs. The fact is they made the playoffs because Cincy made some crazy late touchdown play. He has screwed up in big moments and should have hired a defensive cordinator to focus on HC duties. Don’t care. We aren’t in this position without McD and I am forever grateful to him for turning us around. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: We were starting Rod Streater at WR dude No, they weren't, you're wrong there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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