Are people really that unhappy with our 4-2 Bills?

[zow2]

Gotta win some ugly games along the way but you want to be playing your best football in December/Jan.  The Bills squeaker over the NYG counts the same as Miami's 70-20 win over Denver.  You get style points in college but not in the NFL.  People should chill, let this season play out.

Edited October 18, 2023 by zow2

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

I would not call it Super Bowl or bust. But at this point we are past just competing for a playoff spot and possibly losing the division to MIA. 

 

The Dolphins are a paper tiger. Their 5 wins have come against teams with a combined record of 5-24. They played one good team (Bills) and got their asses kicked. If they get killed again vs the Eagles, then Fins fans will probably be questioning how good their team is.

[Success]

I saw enough bad, meaningless football during the drought - which was lengthy.

 

We're now the favorite in the vast majority of our games, and we have a team that can still win even if they're down a few scores going into the 4th quarter. The offense can be explosive, and the defense is stingy and one of the better D's in the league.  We have a QB who is also among the best, and is always fun to watch.

 

There isn't a single opposing fanbase who has us as a "W" on their schedule.  No one wants to play this team.  If you read other boards, opposing fans can only hope to get "bad Josh," or take advantage of some of our injuries.

 

I'm happy.

 

[nedboy7]

48 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Is this type of thinking that creates acceptance to medicity. 

It was more about the Bills poor play than those being good teams. The Bills are better than both of those teams. 

 

30 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said:

I expect another playoff elimination. Same as the past 5 years.

 

 

Chances statistically are Bills dont win the SB.  Its a 97% probability with all parameters being even, which they are obviously not.  But still. 

Is going to the playoffs every year, but coming up short since we all know how difficult it is to win in the playoffs,  a reflection of mediocrity? 

Or was mediocrity where we lived in for 17 years before these guys. 

There is a little Facebook mentality here.  We watch every single play from the Bills and then compare it to the highlights of other teams. 

Eagles lost to the Jets. 

49ers lost to Dorian. 

KC is scraping by. 

Are these teams regressing? 

I am not very happy with our OC this season.  But I am not into starting weekly threads about one of the top coaches being fired cause we are in mediocrity. 

[The Red King]

50 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

So you want them to score a couple games in the 36-21 range for what exactly?

 

To be able to do it.  Again, since you obviously didn't read my post, when the offense clicks they're on fire.  When an opposing D finds a way to shut it down, as has happened in half the games, Dorsey will not or cannot make adjustments.  That is the point of concern.  We were one uncalled defensive hold away from 3-3.

 

Or does scoring 20 or less points in a full half their games not concern you?

Edited October 18, 2023 by The Red King

[coloradobillsfan]

I'm upset that the NFL's insistence on cramming the NFL down the throats of a European country that does not like or want our version of football has compromised the Bills chance at winning a championship this season.

[oldmanfan]

23 minutes ago, ngbills said:

So you really believe if Josh did not have the elite physical skills that he would be just as good? I am not saying he cant be a pocket passer. I am saying he is most effective and dangerous when he can utilize his athleticism, not only to run the ball but also avoid sacks and do the highlight reel stuff that we see. It creates a big issue for defenses trying to defend him. If not lets just go with a more traditional offense and see how it goes. Oh yeah, we just kind of saw that vs the Giants. 

I’m saying he’s an excellent passer now and will only improve as he gains more experience reading defenses and such.  So his window to win a Lombardi is pretty long in contrast to your view.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, The Red King said:

 

To be able to do it.  Again, since you obviously didn't read my post, when the offense clicks they're on fire.  When an opposing D finds a way to shut it down, as has happened in half the games, Dorsey will not or cannot make adjustments.  That is the point of concern.  We were one uncalled defensive hold away from 3-3.

 

Or does scoring 20 or less points in a full half their games not concern you?

I read it

 

you are laboring under the impression that our offense is somehow uniquely inconsistent in their production

 

rest assured that is not the case

[Bruffalo]

I can understand having anxiety about the team. 

 

They are so close to being something historically great. We've seen what happens when everything is firing on all cylinders.  They're not just great, they are practically unstoppable. We just need the consistency now, and I think that's where most of the teeth gnashing is coming from. 

[Buffalo ill]

The lifeless blowout loss to the Bengals in Buffalo broke me.  I don't have to explain the number of gut punches a Bills fan since the late 80s has taken. You all know the moments. Last season's finale was the tipping point for me.

 

Anymore I feel like the Bills are a mostly entertaining tv series that will have a bad ending, leaving the fans disappointed overall.  The Bills are my new Game of Thrones.

[newcam2012]

23 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

 

 

Chances statistically are Bills dont win the SB.  Its a 97% probability with all parameters being even, which they are obviously not.  But still. 

Is going to the playoffs every year, but coming up short since we all know how difficult it is to win in the playoffs,  a reflection of mediocrity? 

Or was mediocrity where we lived in for 17 years before these guys. 

There is a little Facebook mentality here.  We watch every single play from the Bills and then compare it to the highlights of other teams. 

Eagles lost to the Jets. 

49ers lost to Dorian. 

KC is scraping by. 

Are these teams regressing? 

I am not very happy with our OC this season.  But I am not into starting weekly threads about one of the top coaches being fired cause we are in mediocrity. 

That's fair. Don't complain if the team falls short of their goal year after year with a franchise QB. That's exactly what had had happened for at least 3 years. 

 

At some point, change might be a good thing. Like I've reiterated many times before it's not terrible difficult to make the playoffs with Allen as your QB. 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by newcam2012

[ngbills]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

I’m saying he’s an excellent passer now and will only improve as he gains more experience reading defenses and such.  So his window to win a Lombardi is pretty long in contrast to your view.

I agree that the window is potentially long. My point is right now the window is bigger given the situation. As Allen ages and other players as well there is greater uncertainty about said window. We know what we have right now. We dont know who will replace Diggs, Morse, Dawkins, etc as guys age out. We replace them we are always in good shape with Allen, but he cant do it on his own especially when he is no longer superman Allen. 

[The Red King]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I read it

 

you are laboring under the impression that our offense is somehow uniquely inconsistent in their production

 

rest assured that is not the case

 

Show another team with a winning record with that wide a dead zone in production right in the middle, with half the games in the high, and half in the low.

[JoshAllin]

They had 3 losses all last season and 2 already, people will be antsy

Edited October 18, 2023 by motorj

[FLFan]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

Its about expectations. Are you happy with a playoff contender or do you want a championship. The question is - will it be easier or harder to win next year, the next, etc. With Josh Allen's age and contract plus other players age the time is now to win. So when the team is on track to "only" be fighting for a playoff spot it leads to disappointment. 

Playoff spots are not decided in October.  There are 11 more games.  Guess what?  They will be fighting for a spot all year long, as is every other team.  None are wrapped up, every team has had stumbles and will continue to do so.  If your expectation is that your team is going to play dominant football each and every week and that will then portend a championship, I think perhaps it your expectations that need adjusting.  It is a grind, for everyone, and a great deal of both positive and negative situations will happen to each team between now and then. Their track is just fine.

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, The Red King said:

 

Show another team with a winning record with that wide a dead zone in production right in the middle, with half the games in the high, and half in the low.

Kansas City. But they actually have only scored more than 25 points once, and that was against the Bears.

[newcam2012]

13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I’m saying he’s an excellent passer now and will only improve as he gains more experience reading defenses and such.  So his window to win a Lombardi is pretty long in contrast to your view.

I agree about Allen's window. The QB in the modern era can play a lot longer. 

 

What I don't like is that the Bills' organization is wasting years of opportunities. Feels like they are cashing in. 

[The Red King]

Just now, FrenchConnection said:

Kansas City. But they actually have only scored more than 25 points once, and that was against the Bears.

 

That's...not a dead zone.  That's not half very high, half low.  I think you're missing the point entirely.

[GoBills808]

11 minutes ago, The Red King said:

 

Show another team with a winning record with that wide a dead zone in production right in the middle, with half the games in the high, and half in the low.

Easy

 

Dolphins best offense in the league- top 3 games scoring on average 49.33 points, bottom 3 averaging 25 points for a difference of 24.33points

 

Bills top 3 scoring games avg 41 points, bottom 3 average 16.66 for a difference of 24.34 points

 

The measure of difference in consistency as expressed in points between the Bills and the best offense in the league is .01 

Edited October 18, 2023 by GoBills808
Clumsy wording

[oldmanfan]

11 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I agree that the window is potentially long. My point is right now the window is bigger given the situation. As Allen ages and other players as well there is greater uncertainty about said window. We know what we have right now. We dont know who will replace Diggs, Morse, Dawkins, etc as guys age out. We replace them we are always in good shape with Allen, but he cant do it on his own especially when he is no longer superman Allen. 

You seem to be focused on the negative.  That Josh will fall off.  That we won’t replace guys.  But look at things objectively.  We have guys like Bernard on D; everyone thought he was a bust but look at him.  Williams looks like another.  Once Kincaid gets going another.  Torrence.  Cook.  Bates will step in for Morse.  And so on.

5 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I agree about Allen's window. The QB in the modern era can play a lot longer. 

 

What I don't like is that the Bills' organization is wasting years of opportunities. Feels like they are cashing in. 

Wasting?  Come on.  They are consistently in the playoffs.  The 13 second stupidity was just that.  Last year they ran out of gas due to injury and a teammate almost dying.