Israel and the Slaughter in Gaza

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 hours ago, Andy1 said:

For anyone interested in learning the history of peace negotiations between the Palestinians and Israel, this documentary describes the history of that process. Whenever peace was close, extremists on either side would sabotage it with violent actions. We seem so far removed from those times now. 

 

 

Yeah.

 

The establishment MUST "turn the other cheek" when radicals undermine.

 

YET... A cornerstone of one of the Abrahamic religions... That the other two branches can't seem to grasp. 

 

There's gonna have to be a time in Israeli policy that they negotiate with "terrorists" OR nothing will ever change.  Israel is the establishment.  They are fully the in-crowd now.

 

Both are terrorists now.

 

 

[Tiberius]

Clean water was already hard to come by in Gaza before the war. Now, as fuel runs out and only small amounts of aid are allowed in, it is becoming nearly impossible to find.

Palestinians in Gaza spend their days figuring out where to get water and how to divide what they have among family members, as they seek shelter from Israeli airstrikes.

The U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees has warned that “people will start dying without clean water.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/05/israel-war-hamas-gaza-live-news-palestine/

When asked about a humanitarian pause to the fighting , Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said on CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday, “I want to protect innocent people as much as possible.”

He appeared alongside Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), who said he supported a pause.

Asked about an Israel aid package, Graham said he would support a bill that sent funding to not only Ukraine and Israel but also the United States’ southern border.

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By Ben Brasch

General Assignment reporter

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) called Sunday morning for a pause in bombing so Gazans may receive humanitarian aid, while also saying Israel has a right to defend itself.

When asked on CNN’s “State of the Union” about a bill to send American aid to Israel, Sanders said Israel must stop killing innocent civilians.

“I think it’s terribly important that, as we debate that, to say to Israel, ‘You want this money, you got to change your military strategy,’” he said. “The other point is, we have to give hope to the Palestinian people.”

 

also waspost

[Tiberius]

 

 

*******. 

 

The land grab of 1848 being repeated? 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2023/11/03/israel-nakba-history-1948/

 

Jewish mortars and loudspeaker trucks shook Arab neighborhoods in early 1948 as sectarian fighting consumed the newly partitioned land that would soon become Israel. Amid the prolonged shelling, the trucks would broadcast the threatening sounds of wailing sirens, fake screams and evacuation warnings.

Returning home would prove impossible for an estimated 750,000 Palestinians and their millions of descendants. When Israeli archives opened in the 1980s, records showed how Israeli operations, including psychological-warfare broadcasts, helped drive the exodus.

“The element of surprise, long stints of shelling with extremely loud blasts, and loudspeakers in Arabic proved very effective when properly used,” reads an Israel Defense Forces intelligence report from June 1948 that called Jewish combatants “the main factor” in the exodus.

 

“Each and every district underwent a wave of migration as our actions in that area intensified and expanded,” the report stated, adding later that sometimes Arabs would attempt to return home shortly after fleeing, “which forced us to engage, on more than one occasion, in expelling residents.”

Descendants of Arabs who fled during these events ultimately formed the Palestinian refugee population — 70 percent of today’s Gaza Strip residents are considered refugees. The event, known as the “Nakba,” or “catastrophe” in Arabic, remains a heated topic on both sides.

“There’s academic quibbling about the details — to what degree was it planned, to what degree was it the circumstances of war, to what extent was it ideologically central to Zionism — but nobody denies that huge numbers were driven out,” said Rashid Khalidi, the Edward Said Professor of Arab Studies at Columbia University and author of “The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine.”

[TSOL]

25 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

 

*******. 

 

The land grab of 1848 being repeated? 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2023/11/03/israel-nakba-history-1948/

 

Jewish mortars and loudspeaker trucks shook Arab neighborhoods in early 1948 as sectarian fighting consumed the newly partitioned land that would soon become Israel. Amid the prolonged shelling, the trucks would broadcast the threatening sounds of wailing sirens, fake screams and evacuation warnings.

Returning home would prove impossible for an estimated 750,000 Palestinians and their millions of descendants. When Israeli archives opened in the 1980s, records showed how Israeli operations, including psychological-warfare broadcasts, helped drive the exodus.

“The element of surprise, long stints of shelling with extremely loud blasts, and loudspeakers in Arabic proved very effective when properly used,” reads an Israel Defense Forces intelligence report from June 1948 that called Jewish combatants “the main factor” in the exodus.

 

“Each and every district underwent a wave of migration as our actions in that area intensified and expanded,” the report stated, adding later that sometimes Arabs would attempt to return home shortly after fleeing, “which forced us to engage, on more than one occasion, in expelling residents.”

Descendants of Arabs who fled during these events ultimately formed the Palestinian refugee population — 70 percent of today’s Gaza Strip residents are considered refugees. The event, known as the “Nakba,” or “catastrophe” in Arabic, remains a heated topic on both sides.

“There’s academic quibbling about the details — to what degree was it planned, to what degree was it the circumstances of war, to what extent was it ideologically central to Zionism — but nobody denies that huge numbers were driven out,” said Rashid Khalidi, the Edward Said Professor of Arab Studies at Columbia University and author of “The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine.”

 

 

The "land grab"? Are you effin kidding right here? Maybe if ARABIA hadn't been calling for complete destruction of Israel, maybe if Jews hadn't been pushed out of their rightful God given homeland and shuffled around the dregs of the desert for 2000 years, in a religious war. A millennia's old religious conflict. Maybe  they would not need to carve out a country of their own. 

 

Watching you bleeding heart special snowflake liberals trying to politically correct this age old spiritual conflict WOULD be hysterical if it wasn't for the most serious nature of it.

 

We are a Christian nation, support Israel or go to hell. 

[B-Man]

 

 

1848 ??

 

 

I know that Tibsy just mistyped, but it is so hilarious that he rushes his indignation out so fast that he doesn't proof-read it.

 

 

 

 

(at least I think it was a mistake) 😎

[JDHillFan]

Foreign policy master class. Master. Class. 🤦‍♂️🤦🤦‍♀️

[Justice]

4 hours ago, TSOL said:

 

 

The "land grab"? Are you effin kidding right here? Maybe if ARABIA hadn't been calling for complete destruction of Israel, maybe if Jews hadn't been pushed out of their rightful God given homeland and shuffled around the dregs of the desert for 2000 years, in a religious war. A millennia's old religious conflict. Maybe  they would not need to carve out a country of their own. 

 

Watching you bleeding heart special snowflake liberals trying to politically correct this age old spiritual conflict WOULD be hysterical if it wasn't for the most serious nature of it.

 

We are a Christian nation, support Israel or go to hell. 

You sound just like the terrorists 

[TSOL]

7 minutes ago, Justice said:

You sound just like the terrorists 

 

 

Are you Iranian? 

[Justice]

2 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

Are you Iranian? 

Doesn’t matter what I am 

[TSOL]

I don't know what terrorists you are referring to, in this context it seems like something an Iranian would say. 

 

11 minutes ago, Justice said:

Doesn’t matter what I am 

 

[Justice]

1 hour ago, TSOL said:

I don't know what terrorists you are referring to, in this context it seems like something an Iranian would say. 

 

 

Doesn’t matter what terrorist group. You sound like one. I’m sure they sound like you. Just fill in the blank with their choice words, ‘We are a blank nation, support blank or go to hell”. 
 

It’s people with this kind of mentality that makes this world a horrible place. Like I always say…. the only difference between the terrorists and people like you is balls. 

Edited November 6, 2023 by Justice

[Tommy Callahan]

9 hours ago, Justice said:

Doesn’t matter what terrorist group. You sound like one. I’m sure they sound like you. Just fill in the blank with their choice words, ‘We are a blank nation, support blank or go to hell”. 
 

It’s people with this kind of mentality that makes this world a horrible place. Like I always say…. the only difference between the terrorists and people like you is balls. 

Bla bla bla.  

 

Let me guess.  Few months ago it was Ukraine.  Before that a shot mandate.  Before that resist and russiagate.  

 

What next. 

[Tiberius]

In a rare announcement, the US military said a guided missile submarine has arrived in the Middle East, a message of deterrence clearly directed at regional adversaries as the Biden administration tries to avoid a broader conflict amid the Israel-Hamas war.

US Central Command said on social media Sunday that an Ohio-class submarine was entering its area of responsibility. A picture posted with the announcement appeared to show the sub in the Suez Canal northeast of Cairo.

The social media post did not name the sub, but the US Navy has four Ohio-class guided missile submarines, or SSGNs, which are former ballistic missile subs converted to fire Tomahawk cruise missiles rather than nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles.

Each SSGN can carry 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles, 50% more than US guided-missile destroyers pack and almost four times what the US Navy’s newest attack subs are armed with.

Each Tomahawk can carry up to a 1,000-pound high-explosive warhead.

“SSGNs can deliver a lot of firepower very rapidly,” said Carl Schuster, a former director of operations at the US Pacific Command’s Joint Intelligence Center told CNN in 2021.
“One-hundred and fifty-four Tomahawks accurately deliver a lot of punch. No opponent of the US can ignore the threat.”

The magnitude of that firepower was shown in March 2011, when the guided missile sub USS Florida fired almost 100 Tomahawks against targets in Libya during Operation Odyssey Dawn. The attack marked the first time the SSGNs were used in combat.

The military rarely announces the movements or operations of its fleet of ballistic and guided missile subs. Instead, the nuclear-powered vessels operate in near-complete secrecy.

Read more about the sub.

 

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-11-06-23/h_15248e80c11c42370a04e3c99405f97c

[Tommy Callahan]

Meanwhile, in light of this Iran has ratcheted its threats and messaging aimed at Washington, after its proxy arm Hezbollah has already blamed the US for overseeing the massacres in Gaza. Tehran is now warning that the US will be "hit hard" if it can't press Israel to a ceasefire.

"Our advice to the Americans is to immediately stop the war in Gaza and implement a ceasefire, otherwise they will be hit hard," Iranian Defense Minister Mohammad-Reza Ashtiani was quoted as saying by the semi-official Tasnim news agency on Sunday.

But importantly it remains the the Biden administration's official positions it so say no to ceasefire, reflected in fresh statements by Blinken in Amman:

The Arab foreign ministers that Blinken met with on Saturday in Amman – from Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates – issued the same demand.

But Blinken said the U.S. would not push for one.

"It is our view now that a cease-fire would simply leave Hamas in place, able to regroup and repeat what it did on Oct. 7," he said. Instead he said that temporary humanitarian pauses in fighting would be critical to protecting civilians, getting aid in and getting foreign nationals out "while still enabling Israel to achieve its objective, the defeat of Hamas."

A US military build-up in the region has continued, after US bases in Syria and Iraq have been targeted by 'Iran-backed' militias over two dozen times, resulting in troop injuries. This new Iranian threat to hit Americans "hard" no doubt is a threat to step up these attacks further, as Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah also warned just days ago in a speech

 

 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">U.S. Naval Forces Central Command (NAVCENT) is advancing lethality and the combat capabilities of unmanned surface vehicles during Exercise Digital Talon in international waters <a href="https://twitter.com/US5thFleet?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@US5thFleet</a>, Oct. 23. During the exercise, NAVCENT’s Task Force 59, the Navy’s first Unmanned and… <a href="https://t.co/N9jkv4vpeM">pic.twitter.com/N9jkv4vpeM</a></p>&mdash; U.S. Central Command (@CENTCOM) <a href="https://twitter.com/CENTCOM/status/1720092050367094895?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

U.S. Central Command on X: "U.S. Naval Forces Central Command (NAVCENT) is advancing lethality and the combat capabilities of unmanned surface vehicles during Exercise Digital Talon in international waters @US5thFleet, Oct. 23. During the exercise, NAVCENT’s Task Force 59, the Navy’s first Unmanned and… https://t.co/N9jkv4vpeM" / X (twitter.com)

 

 

Military showing off the unmanned surface to surface drones.  on small boats like Iran uses.

 

 

[Tiberius]

 

 

Netanyahu's son 'highly vulnerable target' in US as he avoids Israel military duties

EXCLUSIVE: Yair Netanyahu has come under fire for staying in Miami, Florida while thousands of reserve soldiers have been called to fight in the Israel-Hamas war.

By CLAIRE ANDERSON

10:01 ET, Sat, Nov 4, 2023

0BOOKMARK

Yair Netanyahu has come under fire for staying in Miami during the Israel-Hamas war (Image: Instagram Yair Netanyahu)

Benjamin Netanyahu's Miami-based son, Yair, is at risk of being kidnapped amid high tensions globally, according to a former White House insider.

The 32-year-old is said to be working on "non-profit charity work" in Florida while around 360,000 reserve soldiers have been mobilized to join the Israeli army, temporarily leaving their commitments elsewhere.

Questions are being raised about why he has not joined his countrymen - and Howard Stoffer, an international affairs expert who spent 25 years working for the US government, says he must take security seriously.

Professor Stoffer believes it is "foolish" for Yair to be in America - if he's not under protection by the likes of the Israeli intelligence services, Shin Bet or Mossad.

He told Daily Express US: "He will be a target. I would absolutely expect that and if he is not protected by Shin Bet or officers, taking away resources from the country that needs him now.

 

https://www.the-express.com/news/us-news/117250/benjamin-netanyahu-son-yair-israel-war-florida

[Tommy Callahan]

Just now, Tiberius said:

 

 

Netanyahu's son 'highly vulnerable target' in US as he avoids Israel military duties

EXCLUSIVE: Yair Netanyahu has come under fire for staying in Miami, Florida while thousands of reserve soldiers have been called to fight in the Israel-Hamas war.

By CLAIRE ANDERSON

10:01 ET, Sat, Nov 4, 2023

0BOOKMARK

Yair Netanyahu has come under fire for staying in Miami during the Israel-Hamas war (Image: Instagram Yair Netanyahu)

Benjamin Netanyahu's Miami-based son, Yair, is at risk of being kidnapped amid high tensions globally, according to a former White House insider.

The 32-year-old is said to be working on "non-profit charity work" in Florida while around 360,000 reserve soldiers have been mobilized to join the Israeli army, temporarily leaving their commitments elsewhere.

Questions are being raised about why he has not joined his countrymen - and Howard Stoffer, an international affairs expert who spent 25 years working for the US government, says he must take security seriously.

Professor Stoffer believes it is "foolish" for Yair to be in America - if he's not under protection by the likes of the Israeli intelligence services, Shin Bet or Mossad.

He told Daily Express US: "He will be a target. I would absolutely expect that and if he is not protected by Shin Bet or officers, taking away resources from the country that needs him now.

 

https://www.the-express.com/news/us-news/117250/benjamin-netanyahu-son-yair-israel-war-florida

Clair doxed the hell out of him.

 

he definitely will need the security now.

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

This is good: 

 

John Stewart on Israel/Gaza 

 

https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/116168/daily-show-jon-stewart-clip-israel-resurfaces

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

27 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

This is good: 

 

John Stewart on Israel/Gaza 

 

https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/116168/daily-show-jon-stewart-clip-israel-resurfaces

 

 

Good thing he didn't mention Palestine.  

 

That mob has a violent side.

 

[Tommy Callahan]

For the folks yelling about a cease fire (what Hamas wants). there was a cease fire, till 10/7 when Hamas fighters attacked civilians.

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Which has the higher death toll? 

[Doc]

No one serious reads Time anyway. 

[reddogblitz]

6 hours ago, Tiberius said:

In a rare announcement, the US military said a guided missile submarine has arrived in the Middle East, a message of deterrence clearly directed at regional adversaries as the Biden administration tries to avoid a broader conflict amid the Israel-Hamas war.

US Central Command said on social media Sunday that an Ohio-class submarine was entering its area of responsibility. A picture posted with the announcement appeared to show the sub in the Suez Canal northeast of Cairo.

The social media post did not name the sub, but the US Navy has four Ohio-class guided missile submarines, or SSGNs, which are former ballistic missile subs converted to fire Tomahawk cruise missiles rather than nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles.

Each SSGN can carry 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles, 50% more than US guided-missile destroyers pack and almost four times what the US Navy’s newest attack subs are armed with.

Each Tomahawk can carry up to a 1,000-pound high-explosive warhead.

“SSGNs can deliver a lot of firepower very rapidly,” said Carl Schuster, a former director of operations at the US Pacific Command’s Joint Intelligence Center told CNN in 2021.
“One-hundred and fifty-four Tomahawks accurately deliver a lot of punch. No opponent of the US can ignore the threat.”

The magnitude of that firepower was shown in March 2011, when the guided missile sub USS Florida fired almost 100 Tomahawks against targets in Libya during Operation Odyssey Dawn. The attack marked the first time the SSGNs were used in combat.

The military rarely announces the movements or operations of its fleet of ballistic and guided missile subs. Instead, the nuclear-powered vessels operate in near-complete secrecy.

Read more about the sub.

 

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-11-06-23/h_15248e80c11c42370a04e3c99405f97c

 

President Biden's trigger finger is getting itchy. He wants to get us on in another war. It's an election year and American's likely will not want to change Presidents in an "a time of war" or so he hopes.

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Which has the higher death toll? 

 

What an asinine question.

Who had the higher death toll in WWII?

Your spiral quickens. 

[reddogblitz]

6 hours ago, Tiberius said:

This is good: 

 

John Stewart on Israel/Gaza 

 

https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/116168/daily-show-jon-stewart-clip-israel-resurfaces

 

 

 

This is good. I usually don't like John Stewart and almost didn't watch it, but it's funny and totally spot on.

[Tiberius]

21 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

President Biden's trigger finger is getting itchy. He wants to get us on in another war. It's an election year and American's likely will not want to change Presidents in an "a time of war" or so he hopes.

Just deterrence. If the appeasement crowd had done that with Hitler, maybe no WW2 

22 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

What an asinine question.

Who had the higher death toll in WWII?

Your spiral quickens. 

No douche bag, this isn't WW2. The people of Gaza are suffering WAY more than the average Israeli, not even close. 

[reddogblitz]

22 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Just deterrence. If the appeasement crowd had done that with Hitler, maybe no WW2 

 

Perhaps. Or maybe it would have just gotten us into the thick of it faster and we would have had invade Japan too cuz we wouldn't have had time to build the nukes.  I don't know, and you don't either.

 

You say deterrence only but what if someone sinks one of our battleships or tries too?  Then it's game on.  Hopefully that does not happen but certainly could.

Edited November 6, 2023 by reddogblitz

[sherpa]

27 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

No douche bag, this isn't WW2. The people of Gaza are suffering WAY more than the average Israeli, not even close. 

 

You can call me whatever you want.

Not bothered by anything the class clown ever says.

 

When you hitch your wagon to a failed group/ideology/terrorist organization., as they have, maybe you even get the point, though not likely, you are going to suffer disproportionate results,

 

Israel's hands are not completely clean in this, but they are are a group who has been persecuted/ evicted/ had their land and property stolen over and over again, in many different countries/cultures over centuries.

By Arabs/Islam/ Catholics and Germans, who actually tried to exterminate them.

 

They are determined not to have it done again, and the defense of that small land is their last stand.

Are the terms diaspora or pogrom familiar to you?

 

The Arab world has jettisoned it's Palestinians over and over, leaving the problem at Israel's doorstep, and uses them as a surrogate instead of dealing with the issue.

 

You can call anyone on this site anything you want, but you expose yourself on a daily basis as an,,,,,,,,Fill in the blank.

Not my concern.

 

[Tiberius]

44 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

You can call me whatever you want.

Not bothered by anything the class clown ever says.

 

When you hitch your wagon to a failed group/ideology/terrorist organization., as they have, maybe you even get the point, though not likely, you are going to suffer disproportionate results,

 

Israel's hands are not completely clean in this, but they are are a group who has been persecuted/ evicted/ had their land and property stolen over and over again, in many different countries/cultures over centuries.

By Arabs/Islam/ Catholics and Germans, who actually tried to exterminate them.

 

They are determined not to have it done again, and the defense of that small land is their last stand.

Are the terms diaspora or pogrom familiar to you?

 

The Arab world has jettisoned it's Palestinians over and over, leaving the problem at Israel's doorstep, and uses them as a surrogate instead of dealing with the issue.

 

You can call anyone on this site anything you want, but you expose yourself on a daily basis as an,,,,,,,,Fill in the blank.

Not my concern.

 

Whatever stupid 

 

Keep chasing me, its funny 

[Precision]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Just deterrence. If the appeasement crowd had done that with Hitler, maybe no WW2 

No douche bag, this isn't WW2. The people of Gaza are suffering WAY more than the average Israeli, not even close. 

How about compared to Native Americans or any other ethnic group that lost land due to war or colonization?  Should any group that lost land at any time have the right to commit terrorism to get that land back?    

[Tiberius]

Just now, Precision said:

How about compared to Native Americans or any other ethnic group that lost land due to war or colonization?  Should any group that lost land at any time have the right to commit terrorism to get that land back?    

How about we just stick to what's happening? Why does it make you guys crap your pants by pointing out simple basic facts? 

 

The people of Gaza are suffering way more than the people of Israel

 

 

 

This guy says we risk another 9-11? What will create another 9-11 is what's going on now. Gees, wake up

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

54 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

 

When you hitch your wagon to a failed group/ideology/terrorist organization., as they have, maybe you even get the point, though not likely, you are going to suffer disproportionate results,

 

 

And, BTW, you are a liar 

 

You will be remembered as such from here on out 

[Precision]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

How about we just stick to what's happening? Why does it make you guys crap your pants by pointing out simple basic facts? 

 

The people of Gaza are suffering way more than the people of Israel

That's pretty much what I thought you would say.  Though tragic, the plight of the Palestinians is minor compared to Native Americans, Jews, Rwandans, Armenians, Ukrainians, etc, etc, etc.  At some point the Palestinians and the world need to move on from their loss of land, just like it has done hundreds of times in the past.

[Tiberius]

Just now, Precision said:

That's pretty much what I thought you would say.  Though tragic, the plight of the Palestinians is minor compared to Native Americans, Jews, Rwandans, Armenians, Ukrainians, etc, etc, etc.  At some point the Palestinians and the world need to move on from their loss of land, just like it has done hundreds of times in the past.

You call this minor? wow 

 

Ok 

[Doc]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Which has the higher death toll? 

 

Do you care if Russia has a higher death toll than Ukraine?

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Do you care if Russia has a higher death toll than Ukraine?

Have any Russian civilians been killed? 

[Doc]

14 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Have any Russian civilians been killed? 

 

Is Russia hiding among their civilians?  Are they preventing their people from leaving so that they can use them as human shields?

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Is Russia hiding among their civilians?  Are they preventing their people from leaving so that they can use them as human shields?

Oh no, they are just murdering, raping, bombing, kidnapping children and destroying critcal infrastructure. 

 

What was your point again? 

[sherpa]

30 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

And, BTW, you are a liar 

 

You will be remembered as such from here on out 

 

Really?

 

As you recall, or maybe don't, since you have posted this again, I have offered to deposit any amount of money in the charity of your choice if you can prove this claim.

 

You didn't respond.

 

The offer stands.

 

[Tiberius]

Just now, sherpa said:

 

Really?

 

As you recall, or maybe don't, since you have posted this again, I have offered to deposit any amount of money in the charity of your choice if you can prove this claim.

 

You didn't respond.

 

The offer stands.

 

Not what I was talking about