BullBuchanan Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 38 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Josh has the most TDs ever through 5 years... Wentz can't lick his bootstraps that's ridiculous and wrong. Mahomes blows him out of the water: 204 total TDs vs 176. It's practically an extra season worth of TDs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonderful Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: What year did Favre regress? Didn't take the hits Josh has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mr. Wonderful said: Didn't take the hits Josh has. Well that simply incorrect. Back on Favre’s time the rules allowed a whole lot more ways to hit a QB with intent to hurt him. And Favre paid the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mr. Wonderful said: Didn't take the hits Josh has. Josh is tougher than Favre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: that's ridiculous and wrong. Mahomes blows him out of the water: 204 total TDs vs 176. It's practically an extra season worth of TDs. I think it’s the most touchdowns over three years not five Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I think it’s the most touchdowns over three years not five Josh loses that competition by a wider margin. His "stat" is a bad faith argument that requires you to count the games Mahomes sat behind Smith before getting a chance to play. Once he saw the field, he's demolished Josh's numbers in nearly every category outside of rushing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Josh loses that competition by a wider margin. His "stat" is a bad faith argument that requires you to count the games Mahomes sat behind Smith before getting a chance to play. Once he saw the field, he's demolished Josh's numbers in nearly every category outside of rushing. We’re just cherry picking at that point what you say is true about Mahommes, but the fact is over there first three years in the NFL in Josh Allen had more touchdowns they were on NFL rosters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: We’re just cherry picking at that point what you say is true about Mahommes, but the fact is over there first three years in the NFL in Josh Allen had more touchdowns they were on NFL rosters it's not cherry picking at all. You're counting calendar time, when games they played in is what actually matters. Allen threw for 67 TDS and rushed for 27 more in his first 43 games or 2.19 TD/game game Mahomes threw for 108 TDs and rushed for 6 more in his first 46 games or 2.48 TD/game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 17 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: it's not cherry picking at all. You're counting calendar time, when games they played in is what actually matters. Allen threw for 67 TDS and rushed for 27 more in his first 43 games or 2.19 TD/game game Mahomes threw for 108 TDs and rushed for 6 more in his first 46 games or 2.48 TD/game I think it’s more of a technicality than cherry picking. If I remember Herbert has the most TD’s through the first two years because Mahomes sat his rookie year. And Allen owns the most TD’s through the first 5 seasons. Again, because Mahomes sat out. Both records are disingenuous imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: I think it’s the most touchdowns over three years not five It's the last 3 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 3 hours ago, uticaclub said: No where near the ledge, just bringing up a relevant talking point. No relevance whatsoever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: It would be a shame to not have Josh play at a high level for at least 12 years. There are many factors contributing to this recent decline including coaching, OL and Josh's own stubbornness. Comparing him to Cam athletically is very accurate. This season will be critical to his future & longevity. But he must cooperate. There is nothing accurate about comparing Allen to Newton, honestly its just lazy. They are in different leagues when it comes to passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 7 hours ago, 90sBills said: I think it’s more of a technicality than cherry picking. If I remember Herbert has the most TD’s through the first two years because Mahomes sat his rookie year. And Allen owns the most TD’s through the first 5 seasons. Again, because Mahomes sat out. Both records are disingenuous imo. Yet all incredibly impressive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 Cam regressed because he got his ass beat by Cameron Jordan twice a year every season. That guy took some of the hardest hits you’ll ever see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 Okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 8 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: that's ridiculous and wrong. Mahomes blows him out of the water: 204 total TDs vs 176. It's practically an extra season worth of TDs. Mahomes was in his system for a year before he even set foot on the field and had a ready made playoff team. Allen started his second game because they lost 47-3 to the Ravens opening day and pretty much tore the roster apart. They are not the same deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 11 hours ago, uticaclub said: The quarterback who appears to be most comparable to Josh is early Cam Newton. Cam's performance began to decline in his sixth year, and now we find ourselves in a similar situation with Josh. As he enters his sixth year, it appears that his performance has deteriorated in every game since the Green Bay game last year. Will Allen be able to revive his career, or will he continue to experience a decline? This is a critical question that needs to be addressed. I feel like the that was the game he showed to me anyway, something was off. I haven't seen anything that resembles the 2021, and first 2 games of 2022 josh since. I am not sure what needs to happen for this trend to reverse course, but clearly it's an issue. It's hard to say something like this out loud around here due to all the hateful backlash you'll get, but you also can't pretend not to see it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 I'm sorry but complaining two players/humans with different lives, backgrounds, behaviors on and on is just useless and can't be backed by anything solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 man I have only been here for a few months but wow. This place hates its quarterback. Its shocking to see fans talk about a great player like this. A lot of people here complain about espn and the media but they are absolutely no different. Always with a short term view obsessing over vague rumors and utter nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills! Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 Mahomes has had the same guy running the offense for all of this career, Allen is on his 2nd coordinator neither one is as talented as Andy. Also outside of Diggs Mahomes had a better WR core until this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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