Scott7975 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 34 minutes ago, Success said: I've already seen more than a few Chiefs fans say something to the effect of "I don't ever want to hear again that Allen is in the same conversation as Mahomes." I mean, whatever you say guys. It's not like there are 21 other guys on the field who can make a play and impact the outcome or anything. If it's only, strictly about W's and L's, Mahomes is the better QB. But who simplifies the game like that? Allen was better than Mahomes yesterday, and he was better in the 13 seconds game. Not by much - but the idea that Mahomes is better because his team wins these games is too uninformed for me. It's not an opinion I respect. Their fanbase is soft and cant stand anyone being compared to Mahomes. To them, there is no other QB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: So you're going to make the argument that the QB is literally the only person on the offense responsible for what happens on offense? That's fine if you want to make that argument. But it's as wrong as 1+1=3. I don't think 1+1 equals 3, but I would expect him to win eventually as he has more swings at the plate. As those swings increase and we don't win it does start to reflect poorly on him. It also makes arguing the nuances of why he didn't a little less relevant. I'm of the opinion it is mostly in the hands of McD and I don't see us taking the next step until he is gone which would really suck for Josh, obviously. If that is several years later it will be brutal for everybody involved. Us fans, Josh, everybody. I wish that's not what I see coming but it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Absolute gut punch Short of Allen demanding we fire McDermott, I don’t ever believe these paragraphs will change This is it. And will stay it until we invest around Josh. Harbaugh is just sitting there waiting but will Pegula even glance in the waiting room or is McD holding that door closed with more deflecting excuses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 27 minutes ago, FireChans said: Pat Mahomes had 40 more passing yards on 16 less attempts. They punted once. Are we really gonna act like he was edged out by Allen last night? The better QB won again. Mahomes had the advantage of playing against Buffalo's injury-riddled defense. Meanwhile, Allen had to play against one of the league's best and was able to create long, sustained drives with multiple 3rd and 4th down conversions. Just because Mahomes had more YAC yards, does not make his performance "better". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 30 minutes ago, FireChans said: Pat Mahomes had 40 more passing yards on 16 less attempts. They punted once. Are we really gonna act like he was edged out by Allen last night? The better QB won again. The Better QB lost. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 19 minutes ago, FireChans said: I’m just saying the better QB won. Which is true. The better QB usually wins. It’s why having a really good QB matters. Last night the better QB lost. I guess you could say on Christmas Day that Aiden O'Connell was a better QB than Mahomes. Or you can be honest about the evaluation and think beyond kindergarten logic. Edited January 22 by HappyDays 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 For anyone needing help: Its Mahomes. Not Mahommes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 21 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Allen has proven to be a top tier NFL QB based on his postseason play alone. But unfortunately he plays in the same league as Mahomes and will always be second fiddle until he can win a playoff game against him. Also think the elephant in the room is Bengals/Joe Burrow who have proven they can beat the Chiefs in the playoffs and for me Burrow being 1B to Mahomes 1A is still the bigger conversation going forward. I like Joe Burrow but Cincinnati gave him great 1,2 and 3 receivers. Bills surrounded Allen with triple A talent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Last night the better QB lost. I guess you could say on Christmas Day that Aiden O'Connell was a better QB than Mahomes. Or you can be honest about the evaluation and think beyond kindergarten logic. 0-4 against Burrow and Mahomes in the playoffs. It’s not kindergarten logic at this point. Go look at Rivers’ playoff record vs the other big boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 27 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Allen has proven to be a top tier NFL QB based on his postseason play alone. But unfortunately he plays in the same league as Mahomes and will always be second fiddle until he can win a playoff game against him. Also think the elephant in the room is Bengals/Joe Burrow who have proven they can beat the Chiefs in the playoffs and for me Burrow being 1B to Mahomes 1A is still the bigger conversation going forward. Get allen a regime that fully understands you give allen the weapons that tua,stafford,burrow,hurts,dak,Purdy has on offense and watch this kid win multiple superbowls and become the new goat of the league....it's the philosophy of how this team has been assembled and the mentality of forcing a grind it out ball control offense and having the ball in a rbs hands instead of allens......this staff wants old school early 2000s late 90s offense with a defense that cannot be dominant in big games...it's a failure and it's long past time to blow it all up,cut all the dead Weight on the defense and spend the next two drafts and off-season building this offense to the highest level possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, FireChans said: 0-4 against Burrow and Mahomes in the playoffs. It’s not kindergarten logic at this point. Go look at Rivers’ playoff record vs the other big boys. I 100% agree that McDermott is Schottenheimer/Turner 2.0. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, HappyDays said: I 100% agree that McDermott is Schottenheimer/Turner 2.0. Phil Rivers didn’t start beating those guys when they made multiple coaching changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: Phil Rivers didn’t start beating those guys when they made multiple coaching changes. I don't totally remember, but did they ever give Rivers the weapons he needed to get over the hump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said: I don't totally remember, but did they ever give Rivers the weapons he needed to get over the hump? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 42 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Allen has proven to be a top tier NFL QB based on his postseason play alone. But unfortunately he plays in the same league as Mahomes and will always be second fiddle until he can win a playoff game against him. Also think the elephant in the room is Bengals/Joe Burrow who have proven they can beat the Chiefs in the playoffs and for me Burrow being 1B to Mahomes 1A is still the bigger conversation going forward. Joe China doll Burrow needs to prove he can stay healthy before worrying about being in any conversations beyond that, as much as the narrative about Allen’s shortcomings against KC are a thing, so is the Burrow is physically soft and not available narrative 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappaPump Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Once Cincy has to start paying all of their weapons, I think things will change. Those of you putting fragile Joe ahead of JA17 are gonna realize he’s not the QB we have. You can argue that crybaby pat is maybe #1, but no way is anyone else out there ahead of our guy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninCT Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 to be fair, Josh had the ball and missed 4 open receivers. 2 of them on 2nd down (diggs and shakir) then 2 more on 3rd down........ I don't believe he is that bad but I believe he had to be that bad in that moment for whatever reason and he delivered. if they control the ball, get a 1st down, get a td with 10 seconds left the bills are the better team, they are not and here we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkKelso'sHelmet Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Sharpe says they are both not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Well, duh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 On 1/22/2024 at 1:48 PM, Success said: I've already seen more than a few Chiefs fans say something to the effect of "I don't ever want to hear again that Allen is in the same conversation as Mahomes." I mean, whatever you say guys. It's not like there are 21 other guys on the field who can make a play and impact the outcome or anything. If it's only, strictly about W's and L's, Mahomes is the better QB. But who simplifies the game like that? Allen was better than Mahomes yesterday, and he was better in the 13 seconds game. Not by much - but the idea that Mahomes is better because his team wins these games is too uninformed for me. It's not an opinion I respect. He gets beat in KC and sneaks by with a 3 pt W in OP because the defense was decimated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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