OT…Now the Jets are the 85 Bears

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

And BTW, I just looked, but Cook's best game last season, both in rushing yards and YPC was against us.  

 

We struggle against good RBs generally speaking, heck, we struggle against mediocre RBs at times, this combination of Cook/Hall could be problematic, particularly given our MLB situation.  

 

We didn't play a lot of top rushing teams or RBs last season.  Other than for Cook, of the ones we did, they weren't on balanced offenses. 

 

My biggest intrigue re: this game is going to be our coaching.  

 

 

 

 

Also interesting that in the first half, with Tremaine Edmunds in the game, Dalvin had three carries for 11 yards and caught two passes for 12 yards. And zero TDs.

 

Whereas in the 2nd half with Edmunds injured and out, Cook had 11 carries for 108 yards and a TD and 1 catch for 15 yards.

 

As for how we did against the run overall last year, I'd disagree. 4.3 YPC we allowed, which is 13th best in the league and pretty decent overall. We played against Derrick Henry and held him to 25 yards on 13 carries. Henry's pretty decent isn't he? We held Najee to 20 yards on 11 carries. Held Chubb to 19 yards on 14 carries. Those were probably the three best we faced. Without looking, I'd bet those are some of the worst games of the year for those three.

 

 

It ought to be interesting to see how the Bills do with their new MLB group. 

Edited September 5, 2023 by Thurman#1

[Brand J]

9 hours ago, NickelCity said:

The jets defense can and has given us fits. They're d-bags but this is a tough game.

They’re the only AFCE team Allen hasn’t gone off against. He’s due. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

It was a clear drop…

 

dude, seriously, you probably need to touch some grass

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Dude, seriously go watch the play again. There was contact but PI? No… and the ball was perfectly thrown in stride right through his hands….

 

^jets apologist here

 

was at the game, he held him the last 10 yards of the route

 

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Some of you are the most sensitive people on earth. No, they aren’t the 85 Bears and I personally would rather keep things quiet.  However, they have a very good  and deep defense. They make the playoffs if they didn’t have the worst qb in the nfl last year.

 

this is a very good test for the Bills to open up the season. They will take away Diggs and force the other guys to beat them. But I would be shocked if the Jets aren’t a top 5 defense at the end of the year. 

The psychology of most sports fans is generally fairly fragile.

 

The Jets have a very good defense.  I'd say it's top-3.  They finished tied with the Eagles in 2022 in yards per play.  It's going to be a stiff test.  We need to protect the ball and take advantage of red zone opportunities. We aren't going to be marching up and down the field all night. 

[SCBills]

Jets Defense throttled us last year because their DL overpowered our OL and we had two healthy weapons that anyone would be concerned about.. Diggs and Knox.  And Knox needed to be a blocker, which he'll probably have to do a lot of Monday Night as well. 

 

Our slot situation was a joke. 

 

Our TE2 was meh. 

 

Our running game with Singletary as lead back didn't scare anyone.  

 

Gabe Davis was trying to beat their secondary on a bum ankle.

 

Jets Defense is likely elite again this year.  They added more speed off the edge in McDonald, to go with Johnson etc.   That said, the Bills revamped IOL should hold up better against Q and co., and we have a healthy Gabe Davis, a new addition in Dalton Kincaid, along with James Cook/Damien Harris being a far scarier backfield than Singletary primarily.  Will be interesting to see if Harty/Sherfield are noticeable upgrades in the slot come the regular season... I believe they will be. 

 

Suffice it to say, this Bills Offense is much improved from the porous OL and one-trick pony Offense that was out there in our matchups against the Jets last year. 

 

Will that translate?... We'll see... It really all comes down to our OL and if they can give Allen time.  For the the weapons, for all the talk of Sauce/Reed.. IMO, that's the game.  Our OL vs their DL.  Can they hold up?  If they can, I think we win.. and I think we look good doing it.  If they can't.. Our defense better show up, because it's going to be a grind.  

 

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by SCBills

[PBF81]

26 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Allen throwing passes to their guys didn’t help. 

 

No, it didn't, but there was also a reason for it.  Namely their tenacious D.  

 

We were outcoached in both games despite splitting.  

 

We can probably afford another split, but if we drop both to them that'd be problematic for the seeding.  As it is, they play Houston and Cleveland while we have to play Jax and Cincy.  the difference between Tamps (us) and Atlanta (Jets) is negligible.  

 

 

[wppete]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

 

It should.. but the Bengals were clearly arrogant before our game against them in the playoffs and they punched us in the mouth. 

That’s true, but at least the Bengals were coming off a Superbowl appearance. The Jest haven’t accomplished anything in over a decade and their arrogance is off the charts. Time to Humble them. I trust Josh Allen to do so. 

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

Also interesting that in the first half, with Tremaine Edmunds in the game, Dalvin had three carries for 11 yards and caught two passes for 12 yards. And zero TDs.

 

Whereas in the 2nd half with Edmunds injured and out, Cook had 11 carries for 108 yards and a TD and 1 catch for 15 yards.

 

As for how we did against the run overall last year, I'd disagree. 4.3 YPC we allowed, which is 13th best in the league and pretty decent overall. We played against Derrick Henry and held him to 25 yards on 13 carries. Henry's pretty decent isn't he? We held Najee to 20 yards on 11 carries. Held Chubb to 19 yards on 14 carries. Those were probably the three best we faced. Without looking, I'd bet those are some of the worst games of the year for those three.

 

It ought to be interesting to see how the Bills do with their new MLB group. 

 

Agree for the most part.  And yes, our overall YPC against was good, but keep in mind, we didn't play many top rushing teams or RBs.  And sure, every team shuts down a good RB every now and again, but the teams that we faced had overall rushing games ranked 1st, 2nd, 6th, 11th, 13th, 15th, 16th, 20th, 24th (twice), 25th (twice), 26th (twice), 27th, and 28th.  That's half our schedule all but in the bottom quartile.  Against Baltimore we allowed 162 on the ground.  Four other teams, ranked 15th, 25th, and 26th logged 208, 188, and 174 rushing yards against us.  So that runs both ways.  In the playoffs we held Miami down despite nearly losing to Thompson's arm, but allowed 172 yard rushing game with Mixon posting a 105 yard 1 TD day on 5.3 YPC.  So there's work to do.  MLB figures to factor heavily into that too.  We'll see how that unfolds.  

 

We did a good job against the top-10 RBs we faced, generally speaking.  Some weren't on balanced offenses however, like Chubb, Henry, and Jones.  But Cook had his best game of the season against us.  Now he's paired with Hall, Rodgers at QB, and Wilson and Lazard at WR.  Much different than last season.  

 

If I had one concern about the Jets' offense (not defense in keeping with the thread), it's whether or not we'll have trouble stopping their two-headed running game with plenty of balance in the passing game.  

 

Your point on Edmunds did not go unnoticed.   

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

6 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Agree for the most part.  And yes, our overall YPC against was good, but keep in mind, we didn't play many top rushing teams or RBs.  And sure, every team shuts down a good RB every now and again, but the teams that we faced had overall rushing games ranked 1st, 2nd, 6th, 11th, 13th, 15th, 16th, 20th, 24th (twice), 25th (twice), 26th (twice), 27th, and 28th.  That's half our schedule all but in the bottom quartile.  Against Baltimore we allowed 162 on the ground.  Four other teams, ranked 15th, 25th, and 26th logged 208, 188, and 174 rushing yards against us.  So that runs both ways.  In the playoffs we held Miami down despite nearly losing to Thompson's arm, but allowed 172 yard rushing game with Mixon posting a 105 yard 1 TD day on 5.3 YPC.  So there's work to do.  MLB figures to factor heavily into that too.  We'll see how that unfolds.  

 

We did a good job against the top-10 RBs we faced, generally speaking.  Some weren't on balanced offenses however, like Chubb, Henry, and Jones.  But Cook had his best game of the season against us.  Now he's paired with Hall, Rodgers at QB, and Wilson and Lazard at WR.  Much different than last season.  

 

If I had one concern about the Jets' offense (not defense in keeping with the thread), it's whether or not we'll have trouble stopping their two-headed running game with plenty of balance in the passing game.  

 

Your point on Edmunds did not go unnoticed.   

 

 

 

13 for 38 plus the 81 yard TD.  Not saying take it out of his numbers, just that the context there is that he had a good game when outside of one play he really didn't do a whole lot.  

[PBF81]

19 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

13 for 38 plus the 81 yard TD.  Not saying take it out of his numbers, just that the context there is that he had a good game when outside of one play he really didn't do a whole lot.  

 

That's fair.  

 

But look at the play (below), notice what the alignment is.  Heavy left with Dodson and Milano as the only LBs.  It's not a stretch to assume that this isn't going to bode well for us all season.  Edmunds was not in on that play, but given how AJE was taken out wide by Darrisaw, Oliver neutralized and Mlilano effectively blocked for the open space, I'm also not sure that we should dismiss that as being insignificant.  What it means to me is possibly expect more big running plays against us when the line-up suits their offense, and Rodgers is no stranger to audibling etc.  

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g2fHbG7_Aw

 

 

A week or two ago I really liked our chances, but after studying the Jets a little bit more, I'm far more concerned.  

 

This game can easily go either way.  And again, much will depend upon Dorsey/Allen.  We cannot afford another 17 or 20 point game offensively.  

 

 

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

Jets will be a top defense but not even the best defense in the league this year, let alone the 85 bears. The Niners are far and away the best this year and they added Javon Hargrave somehow. Plus they get 4 weeks off to pad their stats against the cardinals and rams while they’re actively tanking. Lol

[Bleedingreennc]

Players want to think of themselves as great, human nature. Is it too much talk? Possibly, but they need to do their thing on the field now. Its going to all come together, or come crashing down real fast. To each their own i guess.

4 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

They went from 32nd to 4th last year. Thats a big jump and likely had nothing to do with playing the murderous row of QBs such as

 

Jacoby Brissett

Kenny Pickett

Sklyar Thompson x2 

Brett Rypian

Trevor Simien 

 

 

 

They can only play the Qb's that are put in front of them, and they did play Josh Allen x2 as well. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Personally I'd rather shut up and prove it on the field. I've seen this kind of thing blow up embarrassingly too many times on people making these kinds of statements. Ultimately, if you end up being that great, you'll get your due. Otherwise, it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself of how great you are and just applying unneeded pressure and distraction.

[Bleedingreennc]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

^jets apologist here

 

was at the game, he held him the last 10 yards of the route

 

I do admit, Sauce does hold a lot and gets away with a ton of no calls. That being said, that is on the refs.

[RobbRiddick]

15 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

2022 NY Jets Defense:

 

Week 1 - Loss 24-9 to Ravens.  Lamar 3 TDs.  Flacco actually threw 59 times for 300 yards for the Jets.  
 

Week 2 - The 31-30 miracle in Cleveland bc the Browns went full Browns.  But Cleveland had over 400 yards of offense.  
 

Week 3 - 27-12 Loss to Bengals.  Burrow 3 TDS and 275 yards passing.  
 

Week 4 - 24-20 win over the Steelers and the last game started by Mitch.  The Bills held the Steelers to 3 points.  
 

Week 5 - 40-17 win over SKYLER THOMPSON. 
 

Week 6 - 27-10 win over GB, who at the time had a QB that looked like he didn’t want to be there.  Behold, a few months later he forced his way out.  The Bills dominated them until Allen played YOLO ball for some reason.  
 

Week 7 - 16-9 win over BRETT RYPIEN.  

 

Week 8 - 22-17 loss to Mac Jones who was efficient.  The Pats didn’t need to force the issue bc Zach Wilson had 3 INTs

 

Week 9 - Jets 20 - Bills 17.   Allen’s worst game.  Diggs still had 5 catches for 95 yards.  Lots of Bills were out and I truly think we didn’t take them seriously.  Our running game was a joke that day.  
 

Week 10 - Patriots 10 Jets 3.  Mac Jones was was 23-27 for 247 yards.  I don’t even know what happened here.  
 

Week 11 - Jets 31 TREVEOR SIEMIAN 10.  
 

Week 12 - Vikings 27 Jets 22.  The Vikings were only sacked 2x and had zero turnovers.  
 

Week 13 - Bills 20 - Jets 12.  Again, no need to force anything bc the Jets O was bad.  Allen only threw 27 passes.  
 

Week 14 - Lions 20 Jets 17.  Goff 23-38 for 250 plus yards and no turnovers.   
 

Week 15 - Jaguars 19 - Jets 3.  Lawrence was 20-31 for 220 yards no turnovers.  Jags ran for 140 Lawrence had 50 and a TD.  

 

Week 16 - Seahawks 23 - Jets 6.  Geno 18-29 and 2 TDS.  No turnovers.  Walker had over 130 yards rushing. 

Week 17 - SKYLER THOMPSON 11 Jets 6.   
 

 

They might be elite.  But they absolutely shouldn’t be talking.  Literally nothing up there I posted says they should be talking.  But I hope they keep it going.  
 

They ain’t the Ravens.  

 

 

They can absolutely be run on. Their run D ranked in the middle of the league last season. The Bills have never been able to effectively run it during Allen's time with the team, something a lot of his critics forget, so it'll be interesting to see if they can genuinely improve with the new guards and Cook being the lead back. It doesn't need to be dominant, just something teams take seriously.

 

Also want to see some quick short passes to take advantage of the middle of their defense, which is the weakest part. It's probably asking too much for Kincaid to have a great day in his first ever regular season game but hopefully he and Knox can cause those LBs problems. Would also be good to see Cook get involved with the passing game.

[PromoTheRobot]

18 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

I wish that the Bills had some of that swagger. 

 

Why? Swagger is an act. It's better to know what you have and don't have to advertise it.

Edited September 5, 2023 by PromoTheRobot

[Captain Hindsight]

31 minutes ago, Bleedingreennc said:

 

They can only play the Qb's that are put in front of them, and they did play Josh Allen x2 as well. 

Sure, and they played well against him as well. I think the Jets have a good D, I'm skeptical as to how good.

[C.Biscuit97]

18 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Why? Swagger is an act. It's better to know what you have and don't have to advertise it.

The Bucs and Ravens defenses had a ton of swagger and talked a lot. 
 

it’s football. You’re supposed to have an attitude on defense. It can blow up in your face but it’s not like it’s Zach Wilson talking. It’s a legit good group. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

That's fair.  

 

But look at the play (below), notice what the alignment is.  Heavy left with Dodson and Milano as the only LBs.  It's not a stretch to assume that this isn't going to bode well for us all season.  Edmunds was not in on that play, but given how AJE was taken out wide by Darrisaw, Oliver neutralized and Mlilano effectively blocked for the open space, I'm also not sure that we should dismiss that as being insignificant.  What it means to me is possibly expect more big running plays against us when the line-up suits their offense, and Rodgers is no stranger to audibling etc.  

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g2fHbG7_Aw

 

 

A week or two ago I really liked our chances, but after studying the Jets a little bit more, I'm far more concerned.  

 

This game can easily go either way.  And again, much will depend upon Dorsey/Allen.  We cannot afford another 17 or 20 point game offensively.  

 

 

 

I mean you can say what you want about dodson and milano - who blocks who... But Benford had him dead to rights and whiffed on his tackle in his gap...

23 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

They can absolutely be run on. Their run D ranked in the middle of the league last season. The Bills have never been able to effectively run it during Allen's time with the team, something a lot of his critics forget, so it'll be interesting to see if they can genuinely improve with the new guards and Cook being the lead back. It doesn't need to be dominant, just something teams take seriously.

 

Also want to see some quick short passes to take advantage of the middle of their defense, which is the weakest part. It's probably asking too much for Kincaid to have a great day in his first ever regular season game but hopefully he and Knox can cause those LBs problems. Would also be good to see Cook get involved with the passing game.

 

Like to see harty and cook involved there too.  Get those guys in some space and just keep the chains moving.