Tuesday August 29th is the NFL Cut Down Day

[Gregg]

This was posted over at the Buffalo Range.

 

The NFL Cut Down Day is Tuesday August 29th.    Just a few days away.

All teams have to cut from 90 players to 53.   Approx 37 players per team will hit the street next Monday / Tuesday.  About 1184 pink slips. 

Will Beane trade away a player this week, like he has done in the past?   Here are a few examples:

Aug 2019 traded LB Eli Harold for Ryan Bates
Aug 2019 traded OL Russell Bodine to New England for a 6th round pick
Sept 2018 Traded QB AJ McCarron to the Oakland Raiders for a 2019 fifth-round draft pick 
Sept 2018 Traded OT Marshall Newsome to the Panthers for a 7th round pick
Aug 2021 Traded DE Darryl Johnson to the Panthers for a 6th round pick
Aug 2022: Traded G Cody Ford to Arizona for a 2023 fifth-round pick

Who might be someone the Bills would trade?  An extra DL or DE?   A defensive back?  

 

[ColoradoBills]

Thanks for posting the past trades, very informative.  I would imagine Beane is floating a few names to GMs and looking to add

with a trade for one of his 6ths.  For as much as he gets criticized by some fans, he is constantly doing his job.

[Punching Bag]

21 minutes ago, Gregg said:

Aug 2021 Traded DE Darryl Johnson to the Panthers for a 6th round pick

 

Even though I liked Darryl Johnson they traded him at right time. 

He played for three teams - Panthers, Seahawks and 49ers and on each team he got injured and put on IR.

[Mr. WEO]

Because of the new one day cutdown, gone are the days where you can get a team to bite on a likely cuts like Eli Harold, Marshall Newsome, Darry Johnson and Russell Bodine.

 

I bet a lot of teams are not shopping for trades--they will be dumpster diving in the frenzy coming Tuesday.

[MiltonWaddams]

1 minute ago, Limeaid said:

 

Even though I liked Darryl Johnson they traded him at right time. 

He played for three teams - Panthers, Seahawks and 49ers and on each team he got injured and put on IR.

Kingsley Jonathan fits the mold of what Bam was in those days. Promising but not a guy I expected to see starting ever.

[ColoradoBills]

Guys that have less than 4 years and would hit the waivers are one's that team way down the list might be interested in.

 

Let's say a guy like Cam Lewis.  He has some worth and could get a late Day 3 pick.  I'm not saying he should be cut, just saying.

Beane has to weigh whether guys like this, if cut, will make it back on the PS.

A trade vs a cut for a guy like Cam also saves another $225k in cap for Beane.

 

[Mr. WEO]

10 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

Guys that have less than 4 years and would hit the waivers are one's that team way down the list might be interested in.

 

Let's say a guy like Cam Lewis.  He has some worth and could get a late Day 3 pick.  I'm not saying he should be cut, just saying.

Beane has to weigh whether guys like this, if cut, will make it back on the PS.

A trade vs a cut for a guy like Cam also saves another $225k in cap for Beane.

 

 

For that amount saved, you keep a guy like Lewis. That's 1/1000th of the cap.

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

I think we trade away a late pick for OT depth. We have an extra 6th rounder that we could bundle with a receiver or possibly Epenesa.

[JohnnyK]

Let's hope the Bills are trading a pick(s) for upgraded depth...MLB, and/or OT!

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

For that amount saved, you keep a guy like Lewis. That's 1/1000th of the cap.

 

If Siran Neal is depth at NCB there might not be roster spot for Cam.  That is the point.

Cam is on the bubble right now IMO.

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

If Siran Neal is depth at NCB there might not be roster spot for Cam.  That is the point.

Cam is on the bubble right now IMO.

 

Then every GM knows this--hence they will wait for Tuesday.

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Then every GM knows this--hence they will wait for Tuesday.

 

That is a simplistic way to look at the waiver wire nuances in the NFL, especially teams who are 20+ on the list.

There will be trades at cutdown time.  They have averaged 10-15 each year.

[eball]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

Because of the new one day cutdown, gone are the days where you can get a team to bite on a likely cuts like Eli Harold, Marshall Newsome, Darry Johnson and Russell Bodine.

 

I bet a lot of teams are not shopping for trades--they will be dumpster diving in the frenzy coming Tuesday.

 

The benefit of a trade is not facing the prospect of a bidding war with another team.  Now you might say "what war" when we're talking about players who are being cut, but every dollar counts at this time of year and if you can work a trade at a set salary without having to outbid another team it makes sense.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

49 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

That is a simplistic way to look at the waiver wire nuances in the NFL, especially teams who are 20+ on the list.

There will be trades at cutdown time.  They have averaged 10-15 each year.

 

It has never been done like this before--one day, 1200 cuts.

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It has never been done like this before--one day, 1200 cuts.

 

True.  But in the past the initial cutdown was camp bodies that most GMs didn't care about acquiring.

This new rule IMO was to keep those guys on the team to play a lot in the last totally meaningless preseason game protecting the depth from

injuries.

 

I guess we will see in a few days if it has changed anything.

[Airseven]

I think Beane knows he's in trouble at OT and MLB at the very least. Trading away a 4th/5th would not surprise me in the least.

 

May be able to recoup a 6th/7th for Basham. 

 

I'm also curious what they think of Ford and Harris at this point. Could be surprise cuts/trades. 

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Then every GM knows this--hence they will wait for Tuesday.

They don't wait if their team is too far down the waiver wire food chain and they have a need that other teams also have.  This insures that they get their guy.

[Ya Digg?]

6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

For that amount saved, you keep a guy like Lewis. That's 1/1000th of the cap.

 

6 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

Guys that have less than 4 years and would hit the waivers are one's that team way down the list might be interested in.

 

Let's say a guy like Cam Lewis.  He has some worth and could get a late Day 3 pick.  I'm not saying he should be cut, just saying.

Beane has to weigh whether guys like this, if cut, will make it back on the PS.

A trade vs a cut for a guy like Cam also saves another $225k in cap for Beane.

 

Trade him, cut him, whatever you have to do, but Cam gives me too much PTSD from last year 

[Gregg]

Not Bills related but we have a trade.

 

Adam Schefter on X: "Trade: Isaiah Simmons is being traded from the Cardinals to the NY Giants for a seventh-round pick in 2024, per source." / X (twitter.com)

[Fleezoid]

On the 29th Adam Schefter and Ian Rapoport's phones will melt from all the "signing" tweets. The competition will be fierce. 

 

[wppete]

Going to be a tough one for Beane.. hopefully he trades some players for picks to have more ammo for potential trades later in the season if needed 

[Gregg]

Ian Rapoport on X: "As the #49ers weigh options for Trey Lance, calling his hometown team, the #Vikings (who were a rumored destination before the Draft) makes sense. Nothing is impossible, but MIN has a backup in Nick Mullens and drafted rookie QB in Jaren Hall. Post-draft, these deals are harder." / X (twitter.com)

[machine gun kelly]

I’m sure Beane is shopping Basham or Epenesa, Cam Lewis, maybe even Shakir.  If he can get value, we have the depth.

 

My thoughts are we may go with 4 DE’s and 5 DT’s.  I like Ford, and the others are valuable especially we have the time to allow Phillips to get to 100%.  On the other hand we can live with 4 on the end if we have Von on PUP for 4 weeks.  Then when Von is cleared we’ll probably shed Shaq.  At the end of the day we only need only 1 either Boogie or Epenesa.  Not both.  Beane May as well get something in draft compensation.  They were both 2nd rd picks.

 

Were too deep at WR so if he stuck with history, we’ll probably end up with Diggs, Davis, Sherfield, and Harty.  Isabella can back up Harty, and Shorter as the 6th as he’ll end up on ST, and maybe if he’s lucky at the end of the year be in a couple of red zone plays for the back shoulder pass with his size.  My point.  Shakir is expendable.

 

I won’t keep going on Cam, but you guys get my logic and the OP is right.  Beane loves August surprise trades as well as August extensions.  We already have I think with the comp pick I think 10 picks.  Add to that and maybe we get a couple more.  Knowing Beane’s history, that gives him a lot of latitude to bundle picks next year to get higher quality players.

 

Beane wasn’t GM of the year two years ago by accident.  This is why I tune out to all the chicken crying the sky is falling on Beane sucks crap.  His peers consider him one of the best, yet a small minority of TBDers think they are smarter and more accomplished than the experts who wield the wand.  There’s only 32 of them and ours has built a team with talent that drew 10-6 (because we didn’t care about the Jets finale), 13-3, 11-6, and 13-3.  Yeah he’s horrible.

 

The negativity has gone to new heights on the team that has one of the best records for the last 4 years.

 

That makes us 2nd overall.

 

KC 52-14

Bills 47-18

GB 47-19

Bal 43-22

SF 42-24

 

Im not Pollyanna on this team as it needs to improve in some areas, but I’m not taking a doom and gloom approach either after we had one embarrassing loss in a meaningless game.

 

Just a measured approach in looking at this team.  I love my Bills, and I also see some her warts.  After all it’s not Madden.

 

I think Monday will be more interesting than Saturdays game as that will be about getting 43-69 lined up with the last 10 of the 53 and the PS.

 

Monday on the other hand May end up inventful of the past is a prelude to the future as it pertains to Beane’s track record.

[The Jokeman]

22 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

I think we trade away a late pick for OT depth. We have an extra 6th rounder that we could bundle with a receiver or possibly Epenesa.

Why trade  Epenesa? He's the 3rd best pass rusher on the team (behind Von and Floyd) respectively. 

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:

Why trade  Epenesa? He's the 3rd best pass rusher on the team (behind Von and Floyd) respectively. 

It's the final year of his rookie contract and Basham has outplayed him in preseason. He only really saw significant action in garbage time last year and OT is the much more dire need after losing Shell and Doyle.

 

There really aren't any decent Tackles left in free agency besides Nsekhe and Peters who are both ancient.

[FilthyBeast]

Definitely expect Beane to make a move, even if it's not a true 'power move' so to speak.

 

Teams are going to be lining up to claim players from the more loaded NFL rosters like the Dolphins, Chiefs, Eagles, 49ers, etc.

[Airseven]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

I’m sure Beane is shopping Basham or Epenesa, Cam Lewis, maybe even Shakir.  If he can get value, we have the depth.

 

 

There's that pesky "depth" thing again. What depth? Isabella? Harty? That's not depth. That's bodies. They're better off keeping seven WRs to increase the odds that a couple actually contribute something.

[machine gun kelly]

1 minute ago, Airseven said:

 

There's that pesky "depth" thing again. What depth? Isabella? Harty? That's not depth. That's bodies. They're better off keeping seven WRs to increase the odds that a couple actually contribute something.

Where do you take it from?  Add that to your comment.  Tell me where you provide more scarcity at another position group on offense as you’re not going to take from the defense.

 

Youre comment is only half the full comment.

[The Jokeman]

27 minutes ago, Airseven said:

 

There's that pesky "depth" thing again. What depth? Isabella? Harty? That's not depth. That's bodies. They're better off keeping seven WRs to increase the odds that a couple actually contribute something.

In 2021 Harty was 72nd in receiving yards in the NFL which would put him in the top 25% of 3rd WRs (32 teams x 3 WRs=96) which to me is above average depth. He outpaced guys like Gabe Davis, Robert Woods, OBJ, Zay Jones, DeVante Parker and Allen Lazard to name a few.

Edited August 24, 2023 by The Jokeman

[Airseven]

26 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Where do you take it from?  Add that to your comment.  Tell me where you provide more scarcity at another position group on offense as you’re not going to take from the defense.

 

Youre comment is only half the full comment.

 

I understand your point and I was being facetious.

 

My point is that I don't think the roster is "deep" in the sense there's upside waiting in the wings. You could shuffle the "depth" in and out across most positions and it wouldn't make a difference.

 

For the final handful of roster spots, I'd just keep whoever is younger, cheaper, and more versatile. I realize that's not ideal.

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

3 hours ago, Airseven said:

 

I understand your point and I was being facetious.

 

My point is that I don't think the roster is "deep" in the sense there's upside waiting in the wings. You could shuffle the "depth" in and out across most positions and it wouldn't make a difference.

 

For the final handful of roster spots, I'd just keep whoever is younger, cheaper, and more versatile. I realize that's not ideal.

 

 

Seven,

 

im not banging on you, but like the guys on Movin the Chains say to callers, add this guy or this contract.  Were it coming from?  
 

think about it bud.  If you are critical and say we need 7, ok.  Where’s it coming from and of not cost implications fine.

 

Guys on the board provide wish lists but they don’t provide opportunity costs to put in business terms.

 

I do the same with the draft.  Just use the JJ famous draft cost board and when guys propose a draft move up or down I always ask why.  As maybe you I’ve been very successful in business for a long time.

 

we all need to think through “we need 7”.  Ok, which offensive unto loses a slot.

 

once you have time to digest what you think is the 53, what’s the exchange?  What’s the cost of there is one?

 

another example.  Guys say, get Jonathan Taylor!  Ok. What player or draft picks are you giving up, is it a requisite value, whee are you getting the $ to pay him, does he fit into the scheme we are trying to employ?

 

I just wish guys would provide real cogent and complete answers that are .logical as I think a lot of the guys on the board are opening to new ideas.

 

this reply, you never answered the questions.  I know the concerns and respect that POV.  I do, but answer the question.  Take away an o linemen when we already basically lost one to retirement and another to a season ending injury.  Do you want to go to 2 QB’s?  3RB’s given one will be Gilliam as this team values him.  What about that gamble.

 

Again who?  Defense.  ThTs another litany of questions.  Do you see where I’m going with this train of thought.  I would accept we are taking 6 and think through who you think meets all our needs.  That includes backup ability and ST play.  Not just WR.  WR 5 and 6 almost never make the field so I’m pragmatic.  Shorter can be a ST gunner.  Maybe red zone later.

 

isabella could fill in for Harty we think if we’re as he was managed on a train wreck at AZ.  Nothing is in question on the front four.

 

we’re going with Diggs, Davis, Sherfield, and Harty.  If you want Shakir, even though a kid round 5th round pick has done nothing and picked almost the exact same spot as shorter, then who doesn’t get a musical chair on Offense?

 

I swear I’m not antagonizing.  Maybe you think we can just get by with DK2 at TE even though the team wants a 12 personnel do cut Morris.  Ok, but unlikely.  O Line.  They have historically been hurt and we almost always like the league keep 9, but who and why?

 

I hope my tone comes across the right way.  It’s not to bust your chops at all.  Just finish.  Add something, take something away.  What?

[Airseven]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

Seven,

 

im not banging on you, but like the guys on Movin the Chains say to callers, add this guy or this contract.  Were it coming from?  
 

think about it bud.  If you are critical and say we need 7, ok.  Where’s it coming from and of not cost implications fine.

 

Guys on the board provide wish lists but they don’t provide opportunity costs to put in business terms.

 

I do the same with the draft.  Just use the JJ famous draft cost board and when guys propose a draft move up or down I always ask why.  As maybe you I’ve been very successful in business for a long time.

 

we all need to think through “we need 7”.  Ok, which offensive unto loses a slot.

 

once you have time to digest what you think is the 53, what’s the exchange?  What’s the cost of there is one?

 

another example.  Guys say, get Jonathan Taylor!  Ok. What player or draft picks are you giving up, is it a requisite value, whee are you getting the $ to pay him, does he fit into the scheme we are trying to employ?

 

I just wish guys would provide real cogent and complete answers that are .logical as I think a lot of the guys on the board are opening to new ideas.

 

this reply, you never answered the questions.  I know the concerns and respect that POV.  I do, but answer the question.  Take away an o linemen when we already basically lost one to retirement and another to a season ending injury.  Do you want to go to 2 QB’s?  3RB’s given one will be Gilliam as this team values him.  What about that gamble.

 

Again who?  Defense.  ThTs another litany of questions.  Do you see where I’m going with this train of thought.  I would accept we are taking 6 and think through who you think meets all our needs.  That includes backup ability and ST play.  Not just WR.  WR 5 and 6 almost never make the field so I’m pragmatic.  Shorter can be a ST gunner.  Maybe red zone later.

 

isabella could fill in for Harty we think if we’re as he was managed on a train wreck at AZ.  Nothing is in question on the front four.

 

we’re going with Diggs, Davis, Sherfield, and Harty.  If you want Shakir, even though a kid round 5th round pick has done nothing and picked almost the exact same spot as shorter, then who doesn’t get a musical chair on Offense?

 

I swear I’m not antagonizing.  Maybe you think we can just get by with DK2 at TE even though the team wants a 12 personnel do cut Morris.  Ok, but unlikely.  O Line.  They have historically been hurt and we almost always like the league keep 9, but who and why?

 

I hope my tone comes across the right way.  It’s not to bust your chops at all.  Just finish.  Add something, take something away.  What?

 

Don't worry about your tone. I couldn't care less. 

 

Are you asking me for a realistic roster that includes 7 WRs? Again, I wasn't being literal about 7 WRs. But just for fun:

 

QB - J. Allen, K. Allen/Barkley (2)

RB - Cook, Harris, Murray (3)

FB - Gilliam (1)

WR - Diggs, Davis, Sherfield, Harty, Shakir, Isabella, Shorter (7)

TE - Knox, Kincaid, Morris (3)

OT - Dawkins, Brown, Quessenberry, Van Demark (4)

IOL - Morse, McGovern, Bates, Torrence, Edwards (5)

DE - Rousseau, Epenesa, Floyd, Lawson/Basham (4 - Miller PUP)

DT - Oliver, Jones, Phillips, Settle, Ford (5)

LB - Milano, Dodson, Bernard, Williams, Klein, Matakevich (6)

CB - White, Jackson, Johnson, Benford, Elam, Neal (6)

S - Poyer, Hyde, Rapp, Lewis/Hamlin (4)

K - Bass (1)

P - Martin (1)

LS - Ferguson (1)

 

When Miller returns, cut a DL. Lawson/Basham, Phillips, or Ford.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Airseven