Buffalo Sabres and NHL 2023-2024

[muppy]

yeah well **** I missed my daily game post and they lost. THANKS MUPPY @-@

 

 

yeah lame attempt at humor I don't believe in that sports voodoo chit lol sucks they lost though

[BillsFan4]

yup. This team just melts under pressure.

[muppy]

Apr 9 2024

 

🏒 Buffalo Sabres @ Dallas Stars

 

5:00 PM - 8:00 PM PDT

 

American Airlines Center

 

a hockey Tuesday LETS GO SABRES 🙂

[4merper4mer]

I hear they’re scouting Billy Stemhovilichski.  

[jayg]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

I hear they’re scouting Billy Stemhovilichski.  

That popped up in my youtube feed today.  

[Nextmanup]

[Dr. Who]

8 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

So, if I were king, I'd make Terry Pegula wear a big cowboy hat with that number emblazoned on it for a month.

For sure, I'd make him wear it to Las Vegas for the 2024 Draft. Maybe Jack Eichel would come up to him and say "hi."

I bet he'd fire Don Granato then, and maybe hire a real GM and coach. Or sell to someone who gave a damn, but 

most likely that would be someone who'd want to move the team to Atlanta or Portland or somewhere else more 

deserving of a dozen years plus of missing the playoffs.

[Gregg]

Looks like the Coyotes are on shaky ground (no surprise) in Arizona.

 

Frank Seravalli on X: "Sources: #NHL is drafting two schedule versions for next season - one with #Yotes in Arizona, another with the relocated franchise playing in Salt Lake City. Fluid situation. Lots of moving parts. Details on dual paths and a potential transaction. Link: https://t.co/wvc66RJpT9 https://t.co/mI98R6GEU8" / X (twitter.com)

Edited April 10 by Gregg

[muppy]

well folks. only 3 regular season Sabres games left this year

 

UPCOMING EVENTS. Thursday, Saturday and Monday

 

 

Apr 11 2024

🏒 Washington Capitals @ Buffalo Sabres 4:00 PM - 7:00 PM PDT KeyBank Center

 

Apr 13 2024

🏒 Buffalo Sabres @ Florida Panthers 2:00 PM - 5:00 PM PDT Amerant Bank Arena

 

Apr 15 2024

🏒 Buffalo Sabres @ Tampa Bay Lightning 4:00 PM - 7:00 PM PDT Amalie Arena

 

as I wave goodbye to 2024 all I can say is I now am back in the NHL hockey fold. I will watch the playoffs.

[BillsFan4]

39 minutes ago, Gregg said:

Looks like the Coyotes are on shaking ground (no surprise) in Arizona.

 

Frank Seravalli on X: "Sources: #NHL is drafting two schedule versions for next season - one with #Yotes in Arizona, another with the relocated franchise playing in Salt Lake City. Fluid situation. Lots of moving parts. Details on dual paths and a potential transaction. Link: https://t.co/wvc66RJpT9 https://t.co/mI98R6GEU8" / X (twitter.com)

of everything I’ve read on potential plans for the coyotes arena situation, this makes the most sense:

 

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Many questions remain, but one stands out: with all of this is happening behind the scenes, why did the Coyotes release arena renderings and a strongly worded commitment to Arizona last week?

 

Perhaps the answer is that Meruelo intends to win the June 27 land auction and develop that sports and entertainment district in the hopes of luring the NHL back to Arizona with a future expansion franchise. Sources said part of the agreement to sell now could include language that would allow Meruelo to ‘reactivate’ the Coyotes franchise in future years, including name and trademarks, if a new arena is built and terms and conditions of the agreement with the NHL are met.

they can’t keep playing in this little 4000 seat arena that doesn’t even have proper locker rooms for the players. It’s making it impossible for the coyotes to operate like a true NHL team.

 

The NHL has been abundantly patient with Arizona and this arena situation. They’ve had multiple different proposed arena locations fall through over many years now, and now the latest one seems to yet again be under attack by Arizona politicians (the mayor this time, who made the new proposed location sound doubtful). Arizona has made and is making it extremely clear they have no interest in keeping the coyotes.

 

i feel bad for Arizona fans, and as a Buffalo fan who knows what it’s like to live with the fear of losing your teams, I never root for relocation. But this situation is unique. They literally don’t have an home arena and haven’t been able to get one done over many years now. Even the Arizona voters have rejected numerous arena proposals iirc.

 

If/when they ever actually get an arena built and ready to play in, then allow them to get an expansion team (although I’m not crazy about the idea of more expansion teams though).

19 minutes ago, muppy said:

well folks. only 3 regular season Sabres games left this year

 

UPCOMING EVENTS. Thursday, Saturday and Monday

 

 

Apr 11 2024

🏒 Washington Capitals @ Buffalo Sabres 4:00 PM - 7:00 PM PDT KeyBank Center

 

Apr 13 2024

🏒 Buffalo Sabres @ Florida Panthers 2:00 PM - 5:00 PM PDT Amerant Bank Arena

 

Apr 15 2024

🏒 Buffalo Sabres @ Tampa Bay Lightning 4:00 PM - 7:00 PM PDT Amalie Arena

 

as I wave goodbye to 2024 all I can say is I now am back in the NHL hockey fold. I will watch the playoffs.

you definitely should! I’ve barely watched the Sabres in months now and I’ll be watching the playoffs. It’s hard to beat good playoff hockey. I look forward to it every year.

[Gregg]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

of everything I’ve read on potential plans for the coyotes arena situation, this makes the most sense:

 

they can’t keep playing in this little 4000 seat arena that doesn’t even have proper locker rooms for the players. It’s making it impossible for the coyotes to operate like a true NHL team.

 

The NHL has been abundantly patient with Arizona and this arena situation. They’ve had multiple different proposed arena locations fall through over many years now, and now the latest one seems to yet again be under attack by Arizona politicians (the mayor this time, who made the new proposed location sound doubtful). Arizona has made and is making it extremely clear they have no interest in keeping the coyotes.

 

i feel bad for Arizona fans, and as a Buffalo fan who knows what it’s like to live with the fear of losing your teams, I never root for relocation. But this situation is unique. They literally don’t have an home arena and haven’t been able to get one done over many years now. Even the Arizona voters have rejected numerous arena proposals iirc.

 

If/when they ever actually get an arena built and ready to play in, then allow them to get an expansion team (although I’m not crazy about the idea of more expansion teams though).

you definitely should! I’ve barely watched the Sabres in months now and I’ll be watching the playoffs. It’s hard to beat good playoff hockey. I look forward to it every year.

 

I don't like to see relocation either as no fanbase deserves to lose their team. Like you said the Coyotes can't continue playing in an arena that holds around 4,000. I am surprised Houston hasn't gotten a look for an expansion franchise. Big market and they would have a natural rival already in place with the Stars.

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

I don't like to see relocation either as no fanbase deserves to lose their team. Like you said the Coyotes can't continue playing in an arena that holds around 4,000. I am surprised Houston hasn't gotten a look for an expansion franchise. Big market and they would have a natural rival already in place with the Stars.

Maybe Dallas doesn't want to compete with them, I'm just glad they aren't going to Hamilton. 

[Chandler#81]

Current record is 37-37-5. Win/Lose Win/Lose Win/Lose..🤦‍♂️ What’s actually worse than no grit and no defending their goaltender when opponents run into him, is that they LOSE MORE GAMES AT HOME than win! Home! Buffalo, NY! The most rabid, dedicated adoring Fanbase in the America’s!

Disgusting..🤬

 

THEY SUCK!!

Edited April 10 by Chandler#81

[BillsPride12]

BRUTAL

 

[Gregg]

One step closer to Salt Lake.

 

Frank Seravalli on X: "BREAKING: Sources tell @DailyFaceoff- NHL, Arizona Coyotes & Smith Entertain. Grp have made significant progress on the framework of an agreement to relocate #Yotes to Salt Lake City, Utah. #NHL memo updated Governors today. NOT done. Many layers and lawyers. Much work to do." / X (twitter.com)

 

[PromoTheRobot]

6 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

BRUTAL

 

 

Keep in mind for most of it's existence 67-75% of teams made the NHL playoffs. At one time 16 of 21 teams got in (76%.) With 32 teams, only 50% of teams get in. That's the lowest percentage in league history. 

44 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Current record is 37-37-5. Win/Lose Win/Lose Win/Lose..🤦‍♂️ What’s actually worse than no grit and no defending their goaltender when opponents run into him, is that they LOSE MORE GAMES AT HOME than win! Home! Buffalo, NY! The most rabid, dedicated adoring Fanbase in the America’s!

Disgusting..🤬

 

THEY SUCK!!

 

I was worried when the Bills ended their 17 year playoff drought, people would have nothing to get upset over.

[Gregg]

Sportsnet on X: "The NHL and the Arizona Coyotes are preparing for the possibility of a move to Utah as soon as April 18, per @FriedgeHNIC. https://t.co/R5bBZbI1EE" / X (twitter.com)

[Nextmanup]

I'm holding off comment until the day after the season ends.

If Granato isn't fired with 24 hours of the season ending, we'll officially know where we stand with Pegula at this stage of his ownership.  

He still might surprise me and fire Granato, but I don't think he will.

 

 

[BillsFan4]

https://theathletic.com/5404392/2024/04/10/sabres-playoffs-drought-streak/

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But the Sabres will enter the offseason with a lot of questions to answer. The first will be the status of Granato, who is now the sixth-longest-tenured coach in the NHL and the longest-tenured coach who hasn’t made the playoffs. He’s been with the Sabres for more than three full seasons. Only six coaches in NHL history have coached more games without making the playoffs than Granato has.

 

[BillsFan4]

2 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:

BRUTAL

 

their current 13 years streak is 2 or 3 years longer than any other team in NHL history.

 

Both the oilers and panthers hit 10 year streaks. Some say the panthers streak hit 11 years but that’s counting a season they were inactive. So I say 10 is more accurate.

 

https://champsorchumps.us/drought/longest-nhl-playoff-drought#tab-drought-historic

 

the one constant that entire 13 years? Ownership. Hard not to pin a lot of the blame for it on them.

[Doc]

What do you think ownership is doing wrong?  I mean, they bought the Bills and within their 3rd full season of ownership got their HC and GM and the team was finally back in the playoffs after 17 seasons.  And hockey is Terry's first love.  I mean the team was very successful under Golisano who was cheap and didn't care about hockey, other than wanting to prevent the Sabres from leaving Buffalo. 

[Gregg]

10 hours ago, Doc said:

What do you think ownership is doing wrong?  I mean, they bought the Bills and within their 3rd full season of ownership got their HC and GM and the team was finally back in the playoffs after 17 seasons.  And hockey is Terry's first love.  I mean the team was very successful under Golisano who was cheap and didn't care about hockey, other than wanting to prevent the Sabres from leaving Buffalo. 

 

Terry hit a HR with the hiring of Sean and Brandon. With the Sabres he has struck out with the GM/HC hirings. That's the difference. 

[BillsPride12]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

Terry hit a HR with the hiring of Sean and Brandon. With the Sabres he has struck out with the GM/HC hirings. That's the difference. 

*Got very lucky

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, BillsPride12 said:

*Got very lucky

 

Probably right but at the end of the day he gets credit for those hires lucky or not.

[zow2]

12 hours ago, Doc said:

What do you think ownership is doing wrong?  I mean, they bought the Bills and within their 3rd full season of ownership got their HC and GM and the team was finally back in the playoffs after 17 seasons.  And hockey is Terry's first love.  I mean the team was very successful under Golisano who was cheap and didn't care about hockey, other than wanting to prevent the Sabres from leaving Buffalo. 

 

There's such a deeply entrenched culture of losing with the Sabres over 13 years, it's so hard to turn it around.  You'd think once over this draught the club would luck out into a solid playoff season like we see from other teams every year (i.e. NJ last year or Vancouver this year).  But nope, not here.  We can't have nice things.

 

They draft children, and hope the kids develop into good NHL players,,, but it's not always the case.  And these kids have no real idea what it takes to make the playoffs game in and game out.  I personally think the Sabres need to spend on a head coach who's been there and done it (like the Rangers hired Laviolette this season)....and infuse the roster with some experienced solid players who have playoff experience.  

Edited April 11 by zow2

[Gregg]

2 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

There's such a deeply entrenched culture of losing with the Sabres over 13 years, it's so hard to turn it around.  You'd think once over this draught the club would luck out into a solid playoff season like we see from other teams every year (i.e. NJ last year or Vancouver this year).  But nope, not here.  We can't have nice things.

 

They draft children, and hope the kids develop into good NHL players,,, but it's not always the case.  And these kids have no real idea what it takes to make the playoffs game in and game out.  I personally think the Sabres need to spend on a head coach who's been there and done it (like the Rangers hired Laviolette this season)....and infuse the roster with some experienced solid players who have playoff experience.  

 

You could make the argument that the Sabres were the most disappointing team in hockey this year. Maybe the Devils as well given how they regressed. But given the year the Sabres had last season and the fact that it is a young core group I expected them to be like what the Devils were last year a team that would get over 100 points and make the playoffs. It will be interesting to see if Terry fires Granato after the season. 

[BillsFan4]

12 hours ago, Doc said:

What do you think ownership is doing wrong?  I mean, they bought the Bills and within their 3rd full season of ownership got their HC and GM and the team was finally back in the playoffs after 17 seasons.  And hockey is Terry's first love.  I mean the team was very successful under Golisano who was cheap and didn't care about hockey, other than wanting to prevent the Sabres from leaving Buffalo. 

I think the main thing Pegula is doing wrong is that he absolutely refuses to hire anyone with actual NHL experience in their job and then allow them to simply do their job. He has not hired a single GM with any experience, and only 1 coach with any experience (Bylsma), who he quickly fired because the players wanted him to.

 

I feel like he keeps trying to be the “smartest guy in the room”, hiring these inexperienced coaches and GMs. I think he wants to find a young coach that can be around for many years, which sounds good in theory but it rarely happens in the NHL. I mean, Granato is the 6th longest tenured coach in the NHL right now. NHL coaches are hired to be fired.

 

He also seems to value communication with ownership over actually being good at your job.

 

I guess that’s why talks fell apart with Jim Rutherford.

Imagine if they had hired him to be president of hockey ops years ago when they had discussions with him. Look how quickly he’s turned around Vancouver.
 

I think with the Bills he got lucky. If it were up to Pegula alone, Whaley would probably still be GM. He wanted to keep Marrone. He hired Rex freaking Ryan (though I give him credit for firing him so quickly).

 

They lucked into McDermott and Beane. It was reported that to hire McDermott/Beane, Pegula had to agree to give them total control of football operations. And it was also reported a couple years ago that the decision to give them total control over football operations is something Pegula regrets. Even with all the success. Yikes!

 

I think we are damn lucky he found McDermott, who brought in Beane. I just hope like heck that both are never fired at the same time, otherwise I’d be very scared who he’d hire to replace them.

Edited April 11 by BillsFan4

[Doc]

17 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

I think the main thing Pegula is doing wrong is that he absolutely refuses to hire anyone with actual NHL experience in their job and then allow them to simply do their job. He has not hired a single GM with any experience, and only 1 coach with any experience (Bylsma), who he quickly fired because the players wanted him to.

 

I feel like he keeps trying to be the “smartest guy in the room”, hiring these inexperienced coaches and GMs. I think he wants to find a young coach that can be around for many years, which sounds good in theory but it rarely happens in the NHL. I mean, Granato is the 6th longest tenured coach in the NHL right now. NHL coaches are hired to be fired.

 

He also seems to value communication with ownership over actually being good at your job.

 

I guess that’s why talks fell apart with Jim Rutherford.

Imagine if they had hired him to be president of hockey ops years ago when they had discussions with him. Look how quickly he’s turned around Vancouver.
 

I think with the Bills he got lucky. If it were up to Pegula alone, Whaley would probably still be GM. He wanted to keep Marrone. He hired Rex freaking Ryan (though I give him credit for firing him so quickly).

 

They lucked into McDermott and Beane. It was reported that to hire McDermott/Beane, Pegula had to agree to give them total control of football operations. And it was also reported a couple years ago that the decision to give them total control over football operations is something Pegula regrets. Even with all the success. Yikes!

 

I think we are damn lucky he found McDermott, who brought in Beane. I just hope like heck that both are never fired at the same time, otherwise I’d be very scared who he’d hire to replace them.

 

Who did?  Terry?  Nope.  He fired Marrone when he made demands, about coaches I believe.

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

They draft children, and hope the kids develop into good NHL players,,, but it's not always the case.  And these kids have no real idea what it takes to make the playoffs game in and game out.  I personally think the Sabres need to spend on a head coach who's been there and done it (like the Rangers hired Laviolette this season)....and infuse the roster with some experienced solid players who have playoff experience.  

Edited 1 hour ago by zow2

We have had plenty of players who were capable of getting the job done during the drought.

 

We had ROR, left the Sabres, went to St. Louis, won a Cup AND THE FRIGGING CONN SMYTHE!  

 

Eichel moves to LV; wins a Cup as the 1C on their team.

 

Reinhart goes to FL, gets to Cup finals on a great team, and nets 50 goals this season.

Still on the team are ELITE talents like Dahlin (as good of a young D-man as there is in the game), Power (who is nowhere CLOSE to his ceiling and still is coming off a monster season), and Tage Thompson (who I think we will find out in a few days played with some type of injury for much of the year).

 

We have and have had the talent.  I haven't even mentioned guys like Tuch who is a solid, fast, talented, BIG, hockey player.

 

Goaltending was finally GOOD this past season, and we look good for next year sharing the net between 6K and Levi.

 

What is the one common denominator over the 13 years?  PEGULA.  OF COURSE IT IS.

 

Whenever a franchise goes this bad for this long, it's ALWAYS the ownership.

You would think Buffalo sports fans would be aware of this, seeing as we went through EXACTLY the same thing with the Bills for @ 20 years with Ralph.  There was a LONG stretch of time where the Bills were garbage, were going to remain garbage, and nothing anyone did would change the situation substantially until RALPH DIED.

 

I truly feel we are in a similar situation now; we need Pegula to sell the Sabres and focus on the Bills.

 

It is, by far, the #1 way to move this franchise forward, quickly.

 

 

[Nextmanup]

47 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

I think the main thing Pegula is doing wrong is that he absolutely refuses to hire anyone with actual NHL experience in their job and then allow them to simply do their job. He has not hired a single GM with any experience, and only 1 coach with any experience (Bylsma), who he quickly fired because the players wanted him to.

 

I feel like he keeps trying to be the “smartest guy in the room”, hiring these inexperienced coaches and GMs. I think he wants to find a young coach that can be around for many years, which sounds good in theory but it rarely happens in the NHL. I mean, Granato is the 6th longest tenured coach in the NHL right now. NHL coaches are hired to be fired.

 

He also seems to value communication with ownership over actually being good at your job.

 

I guess that’s why talks fell apart with Jim Rutherford.

Imagine if they had hired him to be president of hockey ops years ago when they had discussions with him. Look how quickly he’s turned around Vancouver.
 

I think with the Bills he got lucky. If it were up to Pegula alone, Whaley would probably still be GM. He wanted to keep Marrone. He hired Rex freaking Ryan (though I give him credit for firing him so quickly).

 

They lucked into McDermott and Beane. It was reported that to hire McDermott/Beane, Pegula had to agree to give them total control of football operations. And it was also reported a couple years ago that the decision to give them total control over football operations is something Pegula regrets. Even with all the success. Yikes!

 

I think we are damn lucky he found McDermott, who brought in Beane. I just hope like heck that both are never fired at the same time, otherwise I’d be very scared who he’d hire to replace them.

When we let Mike Peca get away from the organization a while ago, I knew things were even worse over there than I thought.

 

We are not operating as a "full service," "real," "professional" hockey team.  We just aren't.  The Sabres the pet project/hobby of a laissez-faire owner who has made it very clear over time that he is BEYOND CLUELESS when it comes to sports, and in particular, sports organization/management.

 

Notice he has actually shown up at the last couple Sabres games, after he took a lot of heat for NEVER appearing at a game ALL YEAR.  

 

He is NOT looking to win a Cup.  He is looking to avoid losing money with a business that loses a lot of money every year.

 

He also wants to be the guy in charge and have direct impact over hockey decisions. 

 

As long as he is on the top of the pyramid, we will be a joke show. 

 

It's so bad now, good luck attracting quality people to the organization.

 

Will be very hard to do.

 

 

 

 

 

[May Day 10]

13 hours ago, Doc said:

What do you think ownership is doing wrong?  I mean, they bought the Bills and within their 3rd full season of ownership got their HC and GM and the team was finally back in the playoffs after 17 seasons.  And hockey is Terry's first love.  I mean the team was very successful under Golisano who was cheap and didn't care about hockey, other than wanting to prevent the Sabres from leaving Buffalo. 

 

I could probably write 100 pages on this topic.  Quick summary.

 

The NFL and NHL are very different.  NFL is very coach-centric, and the program kind of falls in line with the coach and they get a few years.  If they hit on the QB, and the coach has a decent head on his shoulders, you get what the Bills have. I think McDermott and Beane are strong enough personalities where they do what they think is right, listen to Terry, and easily convince him that their path is correct.

 

The NHL is much more nuanced.  You cannot clear the cap and rebuild in 2 years like the NFL.  There are extensive international scouting and development requirements and seeds need to be planted years in advance.  Coaches are the lowest man on the totem pole, and are thrown away with the trash for a kick in the butt the minute things aren't going right.  There is an intricate balance and chemistry with an NHL team that cannot be achieved by looking at statistics.  

 

 

The rot from the Sabres actually comes from the ownership groups that came before Pegula.  Rigas (the NHL), and Golisano eroded the franchise and its reputation in the hockey/NHL community.  Things got very stale and incestuous under Regier and Ruff.  Pegula came on and enabled that to continue.  He thought just adding monitary resources would propel the Sabres to the top.  All it did was magnify and compound the problems.

 

Since then, Pegula has groped around, thinking he (and Kim when she was president) are the smartest people in the building.  They have failed to bring in anyone with any kind of credibility and experience from the outside.  The entire league has passed the Sabres by and lapped them 3x.  Their image in the hockey world has gotten worse through players' inability to succeed here, and things like the treatment of Eichel.  Firing a GM and hiring a nobody with the purpose of firing all the scouts and hockey personnel is also a terrible look.  

 

For 20 years, this team has needed someone with credibility to restore the image of this once great NHL franchise.  The thing needs to be completely re-built from the top down with the guidance of someone with extensive experience and rolodex.  

 

Edited April 11 by May Day 10

[Gregg]

16 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

When we let Mike Peca get away from the organization a while ago, I knew things were even worse over there than I thought.

 

We are not operating as a "full service," "real," "professional" hockey team.  We just aren't.  The Sabres the pet project/hobby of a laissez-faire owner who has made it very clear over time that he is BEYOND CLUELESS when it comes to sports, and in particular, sports organization/management.

 

Notice he has actually shown up at the last couple Sabres games, after he took a lot of heat for NEVER appearing at a game ALL YEAR.  

 

He is NOT looking to win a Cup.  He is looking to avoid losing money with a business that loses a lot of money every year.

 

He also wants to be the guy in charge and have direct impact over hockey decisions. 

 

As long as he is on the top of the pyramid, we will be a joke show. 

 

It's so bad now, good luck attracting quality people to the organization.

 

Will be very hard to do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

He should probably sell then if they are losing money. He can just keep the Bills who are a cash cow for him and his family.

[May Day 10]

I am not so sure the Sabres lose money.  The NHL is setting revenue records, and Pegula just raked in 2 shares of the expansion fee.  They also have a small front office and one of the lowest payrolls in the league.

 

Also factor in that he bought the franchise for $189 Million and it is now worth about $1 Billion.

[zow2]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

What is the one common denominator over the 13 years?  PEGULA.  OF COURSE IT IS.

 

Whenever a franchise goes this bad for this long, it's ALWAYS the ownership.

You would think Buffalo sports fans would be aware of this, seeing as we went through EXACTLY the same thing with the Bills for @ 20 years with Ralph.  There was a LONG stretch of time where the Bills were garbage, were going to remain garbage, and nothing anyone did would change the situation substantially until RALPH DIED.

 

I truly feel we are in a similar situation now; we need Pegula to sell the Sabres and focus on the Bills.

 

It is, by far, the #1 way to move this franchise forward, quickly.

 

 

 

 

I agree and have been saying for at least 3 years,, SELL THE TEAM  Terry!   I really have no idea why he would not want to divest the Sabres...they are a professional embarrassment for his owership legacy and the arena needs massive upgrading which is expensive.

 

On the flip side, I know someone in WNY who is a big wig in the community and he has cautioned me to be careful what you wish for.  If Terry does decide to sell, there's a very real possibility a new buyer relocates the team to another city.  Terry will not do that as long as he owns them.  So do we want disappointing hockey every year?  or possibly no hockey.

[BillsFan4]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Who did?  Terry?  Nope.  He fired Marrone when he made demands, about coaches I believe.

Marrone opted out of his contract. 

[Doc]

27 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

Marrone opted out of his contract. 

 

Yes because Terry told him to pound sand with his demands.  Took the $1M buyout and ran.

[BillsFan4]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Yes because Terry told him to pound sand with his demands.  Took the $1M buyout and ran.

Yes, that’s true. But he wasn’t fired as you claimed. And Pegula wanted to keep him. He just wasn’t willing to give extensions out since Marrone still had 2yrs on his contract. So I don’t really feel like anything I said was untrue.

 

Do you think Pegula has done an overall good job hiring people in his time owning the Bills and Sabres?

 

I’d say he did great hiring McDermott, and I credit McDermott more for Beane than Pegula. Otherwise I would say it’s been mostly bad hires and missses between the Sabres hockey and business side + the Bills business side (the football ops hires have been mostly Beane & McDermott).

 

I did like how he was willing to swing for the fences early on in his ownership (like trying to hire Babcock). Those days seem gone now. I’d absolutely love to eat my words though, like if they threw a pile of money at Rod Brind’amor this offseason! lol

[4merper4mer]

5 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

 

I could probably write 100 pages on this topic.  Quick summary.

 

The NFL and NHL are very different.  NFL is very coach-centric, and the program kind of falls in line with the coach and they get a few years.  If they hit on the QB, and the coach has a decent head on his shoulders, you get what the Bills have. I think McDermott and Beane are strong enough personalities where they do what they think is right, listen to Terry, and easily convince him that their path is correct.

 

The NHL is much more nuanced.  You cannot clear the cap and rebuild in 2 years like the NFL.  There are extensive international scouting and development requirements and seeds need to be planted years in advance.  Coaches are the lowest man on the totem pole, and are thrown away with the trash for a kick in the butt the minute things aren't going right.  There is an intricate balance and chemistry with an NHL team that cannot be achieved by looking at statistics.  

 

 

The rot from the Sabres actually comes from the ownership groups that came before Pegula.  Rigas (the NHL), and Golisano eroded the franchise and its reputation in the hockey/NHL community.  Things got very stale and incestuous under Regier and Ruff.  Pegula came on and enabled that to continue.  He thought just adding monitary resources would propel the Sabres to the top.  All it did was magnify and compound the problems.

 

Since then, Pegula has groped around, thinking he (and Kim when she was president) are the smartest people in the building.  They have failed to bring in anyone with any kind of credibility and experience from the outside.  The entire league has passed the Sabres by and lapped them 3x.  Their image in the hockey world has gotten worse through players' inability to succeed here, and things like the treatment of Eichel.  Firing a GM and hiring a nobody with the purpose of firing all the scouts and hockey personnel is also a terrible look.  

 

For 20 years, this team has needed someone with credibility to restore the image of this once great NHL franchise.  The thing needs to be completely re-built from the top down with the guidance of someone with extensive experience and rolodex.  

 

You had me until: “treatment of Eichole”.  That guy is a mass hole punk from the word go and deserved less than the treatment he got.  Also, you left out Tim Murray….the worst GM in the history of professional sports.

Edited April 11 by 4merper4mer

[May Day 10]

I never liked eichel either 

 

It's undeniable that the nhlpa took note of the way the sabres wouldn't allow him to get the procedure he wanted, and also how they handled the situation publicly

 

Also looks worse when eichel (like oreilly) gets set free and wins a cup.

 

NHLPA members will always see things from the players' perspective.

 

Edited April 11 by May Day 10

[Mike in Horseheads]

Terry should kiss Lafontaines ass and bring him back as president. Bring lindy back for one year as Peca as HC in waiting